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The Myth of the Migrant Crime Wave
https://reason.com/2024/03/01/the-my...nt-crime-wave/
Why do we always get these tantrums and Goebbels like propaganda about immigrant infestations in election years? Dems actually try to do something about the problems illegal immigration presents, the GOP want it worse since xenophobia is an easy motivator for the cultists to vote.
If they did something about it, that would undermine their strategy. They want that problem there for political expedience, and just give the illusion of solutions like the border wall and blame Democrats for not realizing that stupid, impossible idea.
Hopefully now, we can see their squealing is just hysterics. The most dangerous cities in America are the ones where immigrants don't tend to settle.
"The United States is being overrun by the Biden migrant crime. It's a new form of vicious violation to our country," said former President Donald Trump during a visit to the U.S.-Mexico border in Eagle Pass, Texas, on Thursday.
Trump's remarks come at a tense moment in the nation's sentiment toward immigration. Americans now say that immigration is "the most important problem facing the U.S.," according to the results of a Gallup poll published this week. Earlier in February, 57 percent of Americans surveyed by the Pew Research Center said that "the large number of migrants seeking to enter the country leads to more crime." For many, those ideas became more salient last week, when Jose Antonio Ibarra, a Venezuelan man who immigrated to the U.S. illegally, was charged with the murder of Georgia college student Laken Riley.
Riley's murder, along with incidents such as migrants drinking alcohol and consuming drugs in public and getting into fights in New York City, have spurred increased coverage of a "migrant crime" wave. "Over the past month, Fox News hosts, guests and video clips have mentioned 'migrant crime' nearly 90 times, more than half of those in the past 10 days," reported The Washington Post's Philip Bump on Thursday. Numerous right-of-center media outlets have similarly warned about the "migrant crime wave" in recent headlines.
Trump's remarks come at a tense moment in the nation's sentiment toward immigration. Americans now say that immigration is "the most important problem facing the U.S.," according to the results of a Gallup poll published this week. Earlier in February, 57 percent of Americans surveyed by the Pew Research Center said that "the large number of migrants seeking to enter the country leads to more crime." For many, those ideas became more salient last week, when Jose Antonio Ibarra, a Venezuelan man who immigrated to the U.S. illegally, was charged with the murder of Georgia college student Laken Riley.
Riley's murder, along with incidents such as migrants drinking alcohol and consuming drugs in public and getting into fights in New York City, have spurred increased coverage of a "migrant crime" wave. "Over the past month, Fox News hosts, guests and video clips have mentioned 'migrant crime' nearly 90 times, more than half of those in the past 10 days," reported The Washington Post's Philip Bump on Thursday. Numerous right-of-center media outlets have similarly warned about the "migrant crime wave" in recent headlines.
There's no question that some undocumented immigrants have committed heinous crimes. But there are many reasons to be doubtful that recent incidents are evidence of a surging migrant crime wave.
For one, crime is down in the cities that received the most migrants as a result of Texas' busing operations under Operation Lone Star, per an NBC News analysis. "Overall crime is down year over year in Philadelphia, Chicago, Denver, New York and Los Angeles," NBC News reported.
David J. Bier, associate director of immigration studies at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, echoes that finding. "We don't have real-time data, but the partial crime data that exist for this year show consistent declines in major crimes in major cities," he says. "The most significant crime spike in recent years occurred in 2020—when illegal immigration was historically low until the end of the year."
"National crime data, especially pertaining to undocumented immigrants, is notoriously incomplete," since it "comes in piecemeal and can only be evaluated holistically when the annual data is released," cautions NBC News. What's more, "most local police don't record immigration status when they make arrests."
However, several analyses conducted at both the state and federal levels find that immigrants—including undocumented ones—are less crime-prone than native-born Americans. Looking at "two decades of research on immigration and crime," criminologists Graham Ousey and Charis Kubrin found that "communities with more immigration tend to have less crime, especially violent crimes like homicide," wrote The Washington Post's Glenn Kessler. A 2015 Migration Policy Institute report indicated that undocumented immigrants have a lower rate of felony convictions than the overall U.S. population does.
The Cato Institute's "research has consistently shown that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and less likely to end up incarcerated than natives," Bier continues. An article this week by Alex Nowrasteh, vice president for economic and social policy studies at the Cato Institute, indicated that illegal immigrants have a lower homicide conviction rate in Texas than native-born Americans do, while legal immigrants have a lower conviction rate than both groups.
Trump's Nazi-esque rhetorical BS says otherwise:For one, crime is down in the cities that received the most migrants as a result of Texas' busing operations under Operation Lone Star, per an NBC News analysis. "Overall crime is down year over year in Philadelphia, Chicago, Denver, New York and Los Angeles," NBC News reported.
David J. Bier, associate director of immigration studies at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, echoes that finding. "We don't have real-time data, but the partial crime data that exist for this year show consistent declines in major crimes in major cities," he says. "The most significant crime spike in recent years occurred in 2020—when illegal immigration was historically low until the end of the year."
"National crime data, especially pertaining to undocumented immigrants, is notoriously incomplete," since it "comes in piecemeal and can only be evaluated holistically when the annual data is released," cautions NBC News. What's more, "most local police don't record immigration status when they make arrests."
However, several analyses conducted at both the state and federal levels find that immigrants—including undocumented ones—are less crime-prone than native-born Americans. Looking at "two decades of research on immigration and crime," criminologists Graham Ousey and Charis Kubrin found that "communities with more immigration tend to have less crime, especially violent crimes like homicide," wrote The Washington Post's Glenn Kessler. A 2015 Migration Policy Institute report indicated that undocumented immigrants have a lower rate of felony convictions than the overall U.S. population does.
The Cato Institute's "research has consistently shown that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and less likely to end up incarcerated than natives," Bier continues. An article this week by Alex Nowrasteh, vice president for economic and social policy studies at the Cato Institute, indicated that illegal immigrants have a lower homicide conviction rate in Texas than native-born Americans do, while legal immigrants have a lower conviction rate than both groups.
This has not been Trump's conclusion. "Migrant crime is taking over America," he said in a video posted to Truth Social on Wednesday. "How many more innocent victims must be harmed and how much more innocent blood must be spilled until we stop this invasion…and remove these illegal alien criminals from our country?"
Why have the right-wing pivoted to hating immigrants now? Are they running out of things to be angry about? The economy is getting better. Biden's State of the Union ruined the 'mumbling old man' image they like to portray, inflation is levelling off but economy not entering a recession, wages improving.Why do we always get these tantrums and Goebbels like propaganda about immigrant infestations in election years? Dems actually try to do something about the problems illegal immigration presents, the GOP want it worse since xenophobia is an easy motivator for the cultists to vote.
If they did something about it, that would undermine their strategy. They want that problem there for political expedience, and just give the illusion of solutions like the border wall and blame Democrats for not realizing that stupid, impossible idea.
Hopefully now, we can see their squealing is just hysterics. The most dangerous cities in America are the ones where immigrants don't tend to settle.
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
They opened the border and let in 10 million illegal aliens in 3 yearsThey opened the border and let in 10 million illegal aliens in 3 yearsDems actually try to do something about the problems illegal immigration presents
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Originally Posted By BWChaver⏩
LOL, is that you Winny, doing a poe?Leftists love quoting "studies" by the Cato Institute, a non-profit founded by the open borders billionaire Koch Brothers
Immigrants increase crime rates in America when you exclude blacks
Immigrants increase crime rates in America when you exclude blacks
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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03-13-2024, 12:36 AM
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Let's send every migrant that comes here to Australia...especially his neighborhood. Let's see how op likes it.
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Every single crime committed by an illegal would not have occurred had they not been allowed in the country or if they’d been deported upon having an interaction with law enforcement. It’s an undeniable fact.
You can say illegals are great upstanding people who follow law and order (you’d be wrong and an idiot), but the fact remains that in a country with numerous problems already the one of illegal crime is almost entirely preventable with very simplistic mitigation
You can say illegals are great upstanding people who follow law and order (you’d be wrong and an idiot), but the fact remains that in a country with numerous problems already the one of illegal crime is almost entirely preventable with very simplistic mitigation
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
And one part of the population now has less than employed prior to Covid- dropping off -even with prime age employment population increasing.They opened the border and let in 10 million illegal aliens in 3 yearsThey opened the border and let in 10 million illegal aliens in 3 years


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03-13-2024, 05:27 AM
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Can you gentlemen not converse with someone that obviously needs help. Thanks.
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OP bitches in the misc section over Migrants deleviring him cold food/coffee via Uber Eats.
Nkt to mention that Venezuela has literally emptied their jails and prisons of violent offenders and sent them to the US, I'm sure they'll be an economic boon!!!!
Nkt to mention that Venezuela has literally emptied their jails and prisons of violent offenders and sent them to the US, I'm sure they'll be an economic boon!!!!
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Are you seriously likening my complaining about Uber Eats to this issue?OP bitches in the misc section over Migrants deleviring him cold food/coffee via Uber Eats.
Nkt to mention that Venezuela has literally emptied their jails and prisons of violent offenders and sent them to the US, I'm sure they'll be an economic boon!!!!
Nkt to mention that Venezuela has literally emptied their jails and prisons of violent offenders and sent them to the US, I'm sure they'll be an economic boon!!!!
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
03-13-2024, 06:05 AM
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Trump calls them Bigrants now.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
What were your exact words? ****ing ******Are you seriously likening my complaining about Uber Eats to this issue?
Anyway, enlighten us how letting in over seven million Migrants in three years, equals the Dems doing something about it? And why are all of these blue cities/blue states declaring a state of emergency if they're such an economic boon? Why are they costing the country over half a trillion if they're such a economic boon?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
look man, stop like using facts to shatter his alternate reality.What were your exact words? ****ing ******
Anyway, enlighten us how letting in over seven million Migrants in three years, equals the Dems doing something about it? And why are all of these blue cities/blue states declaring a state of emergency if they're such an economic boon? Why are they costing the country over half a trillion if they're such a economic boon?
Anyway, enlighten us how letting in over seven million Migrants in three years, equals the Dems doing something about it? And why are all of these blue cities/blue states declaring a state of emergency if they're such an economic boon? Why are they costing the country over half a trillion if they're such a economic boon?
it's totally not cool.
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LMAO guy in New Zealand is saying how the migrant crisis in America isn't real because CNN said so
You can't make this up
You can't make this up
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Here is a study that uses data from Texas:https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

So, immigrants have lower crime rates than citizens for a range of felonies. Proportion of immigrant arrests is actually stable and or decreasing over the study period.
Goes to show, actualscientificsources make for better research sources than social media.

So, immigrants have lower crime rates than citizens for a range of felonies. Proportion of immigrant arrests is actually stable and or decreasing over the study period.
Goes to show, actualscientificsources make for better research sources than social media.
Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
But Trump said Hannibal Lecter is coming! THE BIGRANTS!Here is a study that uses data from Texas:https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

So, immigrants have lower crime rates than citizens for a range of felonies. Proportion of immigrant arrests is actually stable and or decreasing over the study period.
Goes to show, actualscientificsources make for better research sources than social media.

So, immigrants have lower crime rates than citizens for a range of felonies. Proportion of immigrant arrests is actually stable and or decreasing over the study period.
Goes to show, actualscientificsources make for better research sources than social media.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
So Venezuela is sending us their best and brightest?Here is a study that uses data from Texas:https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

So, immigrants have lower crime rates than citizens for a range of felonies. Proportion of immigrant arrests is actually stable and or decreasing over the study period.
Goes to show, actualscientificsources make for better research sources than social media.

So, immigrants have lower crime rates than citizens for a range of felonies. Proportion of immigrant arrests is actually stable and or decreasing over the study period.
Goes to show, actualscientificsources make for better research sources than social media.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Not really sure what the relevance of a study from 2012-2018 has to do with taking in 10+ million illegals the past 3 years, many of which are the dregs of society. We literally imported all of Venezuela's criminals.So Venezuela is sending us their best and brightest?
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
Shouldn't have helped Exxon try to coup their government then. *Shrug*Not really sure what the relevance of a study from 2012-2018 has to do with taking in 10+ million illegals the past 3 years, many of which are the dregs of society.


We are in the find out phase of FAFO.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
The study measures 2012-2018, you know before central and South American chit holes were emptying their prisons and sending them here. Also well before the current explosion we are seeing now which is a totally different than the historical illegal alien chitbag that has snuck into this country. Traditionally illegals wanted to come here and work, now they’re coming here for free hand outs.Here is a study that uses data from Texas:https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

So, immigrants have lower crime rates than citizens for a range of felonies. Proportion of immigrant arrests is actually stable and or decreasing over the study period.
Goes to show, actualscientificsources make for better research sources than social media.

So, immigrants have lower crime rates than citizens for a range of felonies. Proportion of immigrant arrests is actually stable and or decreasing over the study period.
Goes to show, actualscientificsources make for better research sources than social media.
Your data is not at all representative of the current situation in America. Completely dishonest to act like it is
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Basically what that study says is immigrants commit less crime than blacksHere is a study that uses data from Texas:https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

So, immigrants have lower crime rates than citizens for a range of felonies. Proportion of immigrant arrests is actually stable and or decreasing over the study period.
Goes to show, actualscientificsources make for better research sources than social media.

So, immigrants have lower crime rates than citizens for a range of felonies. Proportion of immigrant arrests is actually stable and or decreasing over the study period.
Goes to show, actualscientificsources make for better research sources than social media.
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The problem is not that Illegal Aliens are committing horrible crimes.
The real crime is you people calling them Illegal Aliens.
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The real crime is you people calling them Illegal Aliens.
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Migrants have created no go zones in Western Europe, but they're law abiding, and an ecomomic boon.....
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