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04-20-2024, 11:36 AM
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House passes $95 billion in military aid for Israel, Ukraine and other allies

source: https://nypost.com/2024/04/20/us-new...srael-ukraine/

CONGRESS FINALLY FUNDS ALLIES
$95.3 billion foreign aid bill passed by the House Saturday includes:

$60.8 billion in military and economic aid for Ukraine
$17 billion in military for Israel
$9 billion for Gaza and other war-torn regions
$8.1 billion for Taiwan and other Indo-Pacific allies
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04-20-2024, 11:39 AM
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This kind of thing, it's kind of why with the whole, "OMG BIDEN PURE GOOD, TRUMP IS EVIL INCARNATE!" or "Trump 2024! Biden is a sniffy old p3do!", well, this would have happened in either case. I'm not so sure Trump or Biden being in power is as big a deal as some people pretend it is.
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04-20-2024, 11:44 AM
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Uniparty doing what they do best (steal from us and enrich warmongers committing genocide)
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04-20-2024, 11:49 AM
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Love how it says 9 billion for Gaza when it is 9 billion for Israel to continue its genocide and then settle land.
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04-20-2024, 11:50 AM
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This kind of thing, it's kind of why with the whole, "OMG BIDEN PURE GOOD, TRUMP IS EVIL INCARNATE!" or "Trump 2024! Biden is a sniffy old p3do!", well, this would have happened in either case. I'm not so sure Trump or Biden being in power is as big a deal as some people pretend it is.
Yeah both are disgusting capitalist imperialist scum.
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04-20-2024, 11:59 AM
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MTG gonna get rid of the Speaker now. Lol
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04-20-2024, 12:10 PM
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Yeah both are disgusting capitalist imperialist scum.
How many new conflicts began under Trump?

Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
I REALLY thought this time would be different.
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04-20-2024, 12:11 PM
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How many new conflicts began under Trump?



I REALLY thought this time would be different.
Are you really going with the pacifist comrade Trump theory?

When he chose John Fuking Bolton and tried to coup Maduro? LOL

Yes the billionaire will lead the revolution. Sure, Jan.
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04-20-2024, 12:12 PM
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War profiteering is da best profiteering.

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Whatever it takes to keep the GDP figures up for the next quarter.

Also the IMF has declared: USA you can't keep your debt spending like this. The pandemic is long over. It's out of hand and as the world's reserve currency you're screwing up the world outside of the USA.
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04-20-2024, 12:18 PM
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Why not a trillion?

It's all monopoly money, none if it matters.
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04-20-2024, 12:28 PM
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Are you really going with the pacifist comrade Trump theory?

When he chose John Fuking Bolton and tried to coup Maduro? LOL

Yes the billionaire will lead the revolution. Sure, Jan.
How many?
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How many?
2. Recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel led us to the Gaza conflict. Arming Ukraine led us to the proxy war. Good job.
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MTG gonna get rid of the Speaker now. Lol
And other GOP colleagues praised Johnson’s bravery, indicating they hope Democrats will show him some goodwill — meaning, help protect his speakership — for ignoring his conservative critics and passing foreign aid.

“I’m so proud of Mike Johnson for being brave and for allowing us to vote on some really important issues today. So I would hope that the Democrats will continue to do the right thing,” said centrist Rep. Jen Kiggans (R-Va.) . “We’ve seen him come a long way.”

“To me, it is a true profile in courage to put the interests of the nation above his own — himself and his career,” said Foreign Affairs Chair Michael McCaul (R-Texas) , whose bill was among those that passed Saturday. “It was a gutsy call, but he knew it was the right thing. My stock in him went way up.”
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2. Recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel led us to the Gaza conflict. Arming Ukraine led us to the proxy war. Good job.
I'd argue that the US-backed coup of Yanukovych in 2014 more directly led us to the proxy war. He was on much more cooperative terms with Russia. And I'd argue that the capital of Israel is only symbolic. The far greater factor in the Gaza conflict is the continued aid that the US keeps pouring into Israel that allows them to do what they do. They are a sovereign nation and they can handle their conflicts as they please. However they should do so without US aid, support, or intervention. And without the hundreds of billions they've received from the US over the years, they would have to be far more diplomatic in the region. Every US president plays a role in that, but yes Trump as the self proclaimed "most pro-Israel president ever" plays a large role.

If I had my way though we wouldn't have gotten involved in Libya or Iraq either. All we did was destabilize that region and create a lot of the hate against the US in the middle east that we are seeing now. You could go even further back and argue that arming the Afghan mujahideen was unnecessary, and ultimately harmful given that some of those weapons likely ended up being used by al Qaeda.
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I'd argue that the US-backed coup of Yanukovych in 2014 more directly led us to the proxy war. He was on much more cooperative terms with Russia. And I'd argue that the capital of Israel is only symbolic. The far greater factor in the Gaza conflict is the continued aid that the US keeps pouring into Israel that allows them to do what they do. They are a sovereign nation and they can handle their conflicts as they please. However they should do so without US aid, support, or intervention. And without the hundreds of billions they've received from the US over the years, they would have to be far more diplomatic in the region. Every US president plays a role in that, but yes Trump as the self proclaimed "most pro-Israel president ever" plays a large role.

If I had my way though we wouldn't have gotten involved in Libya or Iraq either. All we did was destabilize that region and create a lot of the hate against the US in the middle east that we are seeing now. You could go even further back and argue that arming the Afghan mujahideen was unnecessary, and ultimately harmful given that some of those weapons likely ended up being used by al Qaeda.
Agreed, but arming Ukraine was a red line even Obama wouldn't cross. Trump listened to Bolton and did it. The rest is history.

Giving weapons to nazis was a terrible idea.
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Agreed, but arming Ukraine was a red line even Obama wouldn't cross. Trump listened to Bolton and did it. The rest is history.

Giving weapons to nazis was a terrible idea.
Those people aren't Nazis lol.

But the rest of that is true. Not sure why either Trump or Bolton thought it was a good idea to give weapons to the people that Russia was already pissed about us assisting in the coup.
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04-20-2024, 01:57 PM
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LOL @ the 9 billion for Gaza as if that money isn't just being directed towards Israel anyways. The Biden admin want to make it seem like they're helping Gazans to their base
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Those people aren't Nazis lol.

But the rest of that is true. Not sure why either Trump or Bolton thought it was a good idea to give weapons to the people that Russia was already pissed about us assisting in the coup.
Azov, Aidar, Right Sector, C14, Tornado, all were nazis bud. Really? You're not sure? Come on. They wanted this war. They wanted the coup. They view it as an investment to cripple Russia's military. This is what nationalism is. It's disgusting.
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All this aid for Ukraine to do what? Its all money laundering and giving money to defense contractors at this point.

There should have been an revolution in this country years ago
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All this aid for Ukraine to do what? Its all money laundering and giving money to defense contractors at this point.

There should have been an revolution in this country years ago
To kill Russians and destroy Russian equipment. It's as simple and cynical as it sounds. Brought to you by the fine folks at Stanford, Yale, and JHU SAIS. Political science. Just fuking lol. They'll kill us all.
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All this aid for Ukraine to do what? Its all money laundering and giving money to defense contractors at this point.

There should have been an revolution in this country years ago
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Only 112 republicans voted against it.

The rest of our lawmakers voted to sell out our country to foreign governments.



Yet they say Trump is the one who is compromised?
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Azov, Aidar, Right Sector, C14, Tornado, all were nazis bud. Really? You're not sure? Come on. They wanted this war. They wanted the coup. They view it as an investment to cripple Russia's military. This is what nationalism is. It's disgusting.
I'm not disputing that they have elements of nationalist ideology. But they are very different from German NatSoc. To be fair a lot of even self-proclaimed Neo-Nazis are as well. But German Nazis would not want to be associated with those Ukraine groups any more than those groups want to be associated with Hitler, Goebbels, et cetera.
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I'm not disputing that they have elements of nationalist ideology. But they are very different from German NatSoc. To be fair a lot of even self-proclaimed Neo-Nazis are as well. But German Nazis would not want to be associated with those Ukraine groups any more than those groups want to be associated with Hitler, Goebbels, et cetera.
They were. LOL look up the history of Galician Ukraine. The ideological patriarchs of Ukrainian nationalism worked closely with the German Nazis. The episode of the holocaust in Ukraine had some of the nastiest massacres. Some 30,000 jews were butchered by Ukrainian and German fascists in the span of a few days in Babi Yar.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar

LMFAO at the wiki page being sanitized to remove most references to the OUN and Ukrainian role. Well played, CIA.

Fortunately, we have footage from survivors who recounted the horrors, including the Ukrainian role.
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All this aid for Ukraine to do what? Its all money laundering and giving money to defense contractors at this point.
There should have been an revolution in this country years ago
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The closest we've ever gotten were the 99% protests back in 2008, but those were quickly infiltrated by provocateurs, and then the media labeled all protestors as the ones trying to start fights and looting.
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Agreed, but arming Ukraine was a red line even Obama wouldn't cross. Trump listened to Bolton and did it. The rest is history.

Giving weapons to nazis was a terrible idea.
Obama didn't arm Ukraine?
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And other GOP colleagues praised Johnson’s bravery, indicating they hope Democrats will show him some goodwill — meaning, help protect his speakership — for ignoring his conservative critics and passing foreign aid.

“I’m so proud of Mike Johnson for being brave and for allowing us to vote on some really important issues today. So I would hope that the Democrats will continue to do the right thing,” said centrist Rep. Jen Kiggans (R-Va.) . “We’ve seen him come a long way.”

“To me, it is a true profile in courage to put the interests of the nation above his own — himself and his career,” said Foreign Affairs Chair Michael McCaul (R-Texas) , whose bill was among those that passed Saturday. “It was a gutsy call, but he knew it was the right thing. My stock in him went way up.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/0...n-aid-00153497
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