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post 1700653203 05-03-2024, 04:20 PM
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Israel and the most notable thing about it in American politics

I’ve noticed that it blurs party lines. Entrenched/institutional democrats and republicans seem to be on one end of it, and (mostly younger) conservatives and liberals seem to be on the other. It’s no longer blue and red, it’s old and young.

The whole change in demographics in other ways probably has an affect too.


The Candace and Shapiro drama was one microcosm of what I see playing out in other places.




A miscer here once mentioned the horseshoe theory. That reaching an extreme point on either side makes people appear to agree on the same things, for different reasons. Maybe younger people are taking more extreme positions? Maybe it’s something else. The F Joe Biden video was an example of this. Pro Palestine and Pro Israel protesters chanted it in unison. Wild times.
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Bumping with that video

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Originally Posted By S0Jack3d
We found the one thing everyone can agree on lmao

Joe Biden, the great unifier lol
More votes for him than any president in the history of the universe boyo, an unpresidential landslide.

Edit: sorry bad with words, I meant unpresidented.
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Originally Posted By Adam16121
Bumping with that video

Unity we all been waiting for!
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Originally Posted By Adam16121
I’ve noticed that it blurs party lines. Entrenched/institutional democrats and republicans seem to be on one end of it, and (mostly younger) conservatives and liberals seem to be on the other. It’s no longer blue and red, it’s old and young.

The whole change in demographics in other ways probably has an affect too.
For Israel and its supporters, I think this will be a case of winning the battle, losing the war. Right now the older pro-Israel types are the ones with institutional power, and they can easily quash the protests if the want to. But in doing so, they risk alienating younger people and making them even more anti-Israel. (The establishment left also risks antagonizing many of their voters and activists right before a huge election.)

It's hard to overstate how much Israel benefits from being able to co-opt US foreign policy. There was an article inTimea couple months ago that claimed the U.S. was the only country out of 43 they surveyed where most people viewed Israel favorably. If/when Israel loses US backing, I would expect it to be aggressively sanctioned the way that apartheid South Africa was sanctioned. It won't happen tomorrow, but within a generation it's very likely IMO.

Re: the protests specifically, this guy has some interesting ideas about what they signify:
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/columbia...alls-upon-nypd
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Originally Posted By NEETvestor
For Israel and its supporters, I think this will be a case of winning the battle, losing the war. Right now the older pro-Israel types are the ones with institutional power, and they can easily quash the protests if the want to. But in doing so, they risk alienating younger people and making them even more anti-Israel. (The establishment left also risks antagonizing many of their voters and activists right before a huge election.)

It's hard to overstate how much Israel benefits from being able to co-opt US foreign policy. There was an article inTimea couple months ago that claimed the U.S. was the only country out of 43 they surveyed where most people viewed Israel favorably. If/when Israel loses US backing, I would expect it to be aggressively sanctioned the way that apartheid South Africa was sanctioned. It won't happen tomorrow, but within a generation it's very likely IMO.

Re: the protests specifically, this guy has some interesting ideas about what they signify:
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/columbia...alls-upon-nypd
I think on some level they are aware that the support for Israel hinges on a generation that will be gone in 2 decades. And if they want to maintain that support in the long run, they need to treat this situation with some foresight and tread lightly.
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