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post 1554825881 06-27-2018, 09:42 AM
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I'm intelligent, love quotes, and love deep chit ... but what he posted is just a little too much. I prefer chit like:


"Solitude did increase my perception. But here’s the tricky thing—when I applied my increased perception to myself, I lost my identity. With no audience, no one to perform for, I was just there. There was no need to define myself; I became irrelevant. The moon was the minute hand, the seasons the hour hand. I didn’t even have a name. I never felt lonely. To put it romantically: I was completely free." - North Pond Hermit

"Nothing can resist the human will that will stake even its existence on its stated purpose." - Benjamin Disraeli

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger." - Buddha

"I am not who you think I am; I am not who I think I am; I am who I think you think I am." - Cooley
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"The soul becomes dyed with the color of its thoughts." - Marcus Aurelius

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post 1554826641 06-27-2018, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
Can someone translate that for my simple mind pls?
My take on what he is trying to say is that God... or what God is to you... is simply your internal projection onto the world. I had a boss once that i highly respected that said something somewhat similar...

"We are most critical of things that we fear to become."

We're all basically almost always projecting outwards, getting a reflection back, and that makes up our reality.


EDIT

Anyone find his quote hard to read because you feel like its missing a comma or "that"?

"God is the mode of being you value the most as demonstrated or manifested in your presumption, perception and action."

vs

"God is the mode of being... thatyou value the most as demonstrated or manifested in your presumption, perception and action."

^^ way better imo
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post 1554827841 06-27-2018, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
"We are most critical of things that we fear to become."
Deep as fuk cuz
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
Can someone translate that for my simple mind pls?
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This is absolutely meaningless word salad. You could replace the word "God" with virtually any other appropriately connected word, and it would mean just as much or as little.
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Originally Posted By Actonspur⏩
I have a degree in theoretical physics from a Russell group university and was a straight A student in most other subjects in high school.

Peterson is one of the few people who I really struggle to comprehend. My ego wants me to believe that its him that is the problem, not me, hes just not a good communicator. However it is pretty clear that he is just much much cleverer than I am, his intellectual plane is just far beyond my own. I will be listening to him and the way he structures his thoughts is so precise its almost impenetrable for the listener but within those thoughts are some of the most brilliant observations of humanity and modern society Ive ever heard. He truly is one of the great thinkers of our time.
IMO, he's not very good at explaining deep concepts to those that aren't on the same level. I've seen a lot of highly intelligent people fall into that trap and only a few that don't. It's almost painful to watch these people drone on to someone that isn't on their level for 10 minutes while the other person just stares at them like deer in the headlights.

I had the pleasure of working with a guy that was one of the smartest individuals (engineer/scientist) I've ever met. What amazed me most though was his ability to convey ideas to even the most ignorant and unlearned people.

One of the reasons i think Jesus/Christianity was so successful was that complex ideas were often made more palatable with parables and stories so that anyone could understand.
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post 1554828841 06-27-2018, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted By maglincer⏩
I like what he says about political correctness gone mad but lost a bit of respect when I found out he was religious.
If you shut down and turn away just because the word "religious" or "spiritual" pops out ... then you're missing out big time on loads of great stuff and severely limiting yourself.

I'm not a huge fan of organized religion in general. But you can't deny that it was also instrumental in recording and passing down knowledge (monks & literacy & books & universities) throughout the ages. Heck, it was a catholic priest/scientist that came up with the "Big Bang" theory. Peterson is neither on one side or the other... he's just a seeker of knowledge/wisdom/truth.
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The fact that he is considered an influential intellectual just goes to show how far we have fallen as a society. Dude is whacked and people just lap it up.
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
at 1:00 he refers to God as "him" and then "he".

LMAO

I admire him for how much money he makes out of idiots like you DrewDarden.
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Originally Posted By doughnutking⏩
I admire him for how much money he makes out of idiots like you DrewDarden.
What are you so mad about?

I'll be honest, at first I thought this was about Peterson's ideas. But you never intended to have a conversation about what the tweet meant or anything else. And after seeing how seething mad you are, I realized it's just about politics. You made this post because you're just a liberal who's mad at Peterson's politics.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
If you shut down and turn away just because the word "religious" or "spiritual" pops out ... then you're missing out big time on loads of great stuff and severely limiting yourself.

I'm not a huge fan of organized religion in general. But you can't deny that it was also instrumental in recording and passing down knowledge (monks & literacy & books & universities) throughout the ages. Heck, it was a catholic priest/scientist that came up with the "Big Bang" theory. Peterson is neither on one side or the other... he's just a seeker of knowledge/wisdom/truth.
I think that's why he avoided the religious stuff for a long time. I don't blame him. As soon as you get boxed into a religion or political stance, it derails the fuk outta arguments.
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
What are you so mad about?

I'll be honest, at first I thought this was about Peterson. But seeing how seething mad you are, I realized it's about politics. You're just a liberal who's mad because of Peterson's politics.
You're wrong, *******.

I like him for changing the beliefs of so many young men. I'm glad that people like Jordan Peterson are gaining traction, but he is still a nutter, and not as intelligent as people make him out to be.
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
What are you so mad about?

I'll be honest, at first I thought this was about Peterson's ideas. But you never intended to have a conversation about what the tweet meant or anything else. And after seeing how seething mad you are, I realized it's just about politics. You made this post because you're just a liberal who's mad at Peterson's politics.
Uh, you alt right buffoon... did you hear xim? Xe used gender-positive terminology, and (puke) masculine ones at that to refer to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Xe is literally Hitler.

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btw, notice how doughnutking won't even answer simple questions. We still haven't heard his interpretation of the tweet he's REEEing about, despite being asked repeatedly to explain. He won't even address a simple yes/no question, that being whether someone being an atheist somehow automatically makes them intellectually superior to any of faith.

He's such a coward he won't even say, "Atheists are more likely to have a higher IQ and be more educated than a Christian, so most of the time they're smarter/better intellectually, but no not necessarily all the time" -- he's such an intellectual coward he can't even say that, so don't worry too much about doughnutking, his opinions or his lack of an avitar on bb.com.

JPeterson probably avoids Religion because he knows there are fundamental atheists out there who are so stupid that they somehow think having faith automatically shuts down anything/everything a person says or thinks.

Morons, essentially, and he deals with more than enough idiots already.
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its ironic misc doesnt stand behind j god.

u guys know he believes into the traditional man/woman stuff? he also knows sloots goin to sloot?
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Originally Posted By doughnutking⏩
You're wrong, *******.

I like him for changing the beliefs of so many young men. I'm glad that people like Jordan Peterson are gaining traction, but he is still a nutter, and not as intelligent as people make him out to be.
he is the prototypical stupid man's smart person. like clockwork all you get is "you misappropriate his argument" "you take what he's saying out of context". here's a thought: there is no context, and there is no argument from his camp. ever. it's purposely vague word salad
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
Can someone translate that for my simple mind pls?
I'll try (and probably fail):

"God is the mode of being you value the most as demonstrated or manifested in your presumption, perception and action"

- He is saying thatyourGod will turn out to represent a way of living that you value the most;
- What you value the most may not be what you consciously think you value, but rather, a combination of what you presume and perceive to be of value and therefore act that way.
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
Can someone translate that for my simple mind pls?
He is saying basically that if you believe in God, that you will show it in the way you think and act because he will be the most important being to you.
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Originally Posted By midcoastking33⏩
he is the prototypical stupid man's smart person. like clockwork all you get is "you misappropriate his argument" "you take what he's saying out of context". here's a thought: there is no context, and there is no argument from his camp. ever.it's purposely vague word salad
You mean like the now multiple comments you've made dismissing Peterson, all of which were just your opinion without anything to back it up?

"He's not smart!", yes, we got your opinion on that the first go-around. In the meantime, I'm not that familiar with Peterson beyond an appearance here-or-there on Rogan's podcast, but I saw arguments and context from that little exposure, so it would seem likely you're just upset at his dismantling of something, whether it's modern feminism, identity politics or something else Peterson is (thankfully) speaking against.
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There just isnt anything deep or profound about such statements.....they are merely the substance of definition. Definitions, themselves, are of course arbitrary, and are just games of words. Why there are people eating this stuff up boggles the mind.

There is a lot of babble out there in the subject of philosophy unfortunately.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
You mean like the now multiple comments you've made dismissing Peterson, all of which were just your opinion without anything to back it up?

"He's not smart!", yes, we got your opinion on that the first go-around. In the meantime, I'm not that familiar with Peterson beyond an appearance here-or-there on Rogan's podcast, but I saw arguments and context from that little exposure, so it would seem likely you're just upset at his dismantling of something, whether it's modern feminism, identity politics or something else Peterson is (thankfully) speaking against.
there you go with the bad faith arguments again. when did i ever say i was for feminism or "identity politics", which is just a 4chan buzzword at this point. classic cookie cutter response that i was just talking about
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
There just isnt anything deep or profound about such statements.....they are merely the substance of definition. Definitions, themselves, are of course arbitrary, and are just games of words. Why there are people eating this stuff up boggles the mind.

There is a lot of babble out there in the subject of philosophy unfortunately.
Agreed, since I have yet to actually see a proper definition of "God". But there are a lot of similar poorly defined notions in English. I'd argue that his statement had an implied meaning that went beyond merely giving his own definition of God. He phrased it poorly, but I believe he was basically trying to say that if God is important to you, you show it in your thoughts and actions.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
You mean like the now multiple comments you've made dismissing Peterson, all of which were just your opinion without anything to back it up?

"He's not smart!", yes, we got your opinion on that the first go-around. In the meantime, I'm not that familiar with Peterson beyond an appearance here-or-there on Rogan's podcast, but I saw arguments and context from that little exposure, so it would seem likely you're just upset at his dismantling of something, whether it's modern feminism, identity politics or something else Peterson is (thankfully) speaking against.
I've noticed this about a lot of the Peterson haters, especially on the misc. It's always a bunch of people picking half of one sentence in a 5 minute video and going REEEEEEEEEE about that one or two words. It's insane.

I'm looking forward to hearing the Sam Harris and Peterson debate. They disagree but at least Sam Harris makes an argument. So many of the worthless buffoons in here just deflect why they hate him like it's their job and ignore any/all questions about why.
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
Can someone translate that for my simple mind pls?
I interpreted as: A person's God, or the true God, is revealed through praxis (meaning; What you practice and embody in your life determines what you really value and believe, not words).

He also seems to use God in the same way that Islam does, meaning... They believe that there is a true God, but we can worship many false Gods (eg. money, status, sex, revenge, hatred, narcissism, etc).

Theologian Emmanuel Swedenborg also said:"The nature of our love determines the nature of our life, and in fact our entire nature of as a human being"Which is what I think he was getting at.

To Swedenborg there were 4 primary types of love:

1)Love of God and 2)Love of our neighbour (Which he says is the love of benevolence. Because God's nature is Benevolence. So to love God is to love and guide your life by benevolence. Because it connects a person to God, because it is God's nature.)

2) Love of the world. (The love of sensual pleasures eg; Food, comfort, material goods, sex.)

3) Love of the self. (A love of a sense of superiority over others. The love of high social status. The love of significance.)

(FWIW Swedenborg says that the Love of the world, and the love of the self are fine, if the love of Benevolence is our primary life value, because that means that the others will kept in moderation, or even be useful in regards to practicing Benevolence.)
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
There just isnt anything deep or profound about such statements.....they are merely the substance of definition. Definitions, themselves, are of course arbitrary, and are just games of words. Why there are people eating this stuff up boggles the mind.

There is a lot of babble out there in the subject of philosophy unfortunately.
Yeah.

That's the conclusion I came to (Tim Ferris and Philosopher Alain De Botton agree with me), that a lot of philosophy is comprised of arguments about definitions. Often arguing about how precise definitions.

That was my impression anyway.

I like the path that Alain De Botton went down, he wanted to promote and build what someone called 'therapeutic philosophy', a field of philosophy that is useful to people in their daily lives, and gives guidance for people on how to live their lives. Stoicism is an example of therapeutic philosophy, even in Ancient Greece when arguments about metaphysics, ontology and epistemology were rife, the Stoics were primarily concerned about how to cope with suffering, and how to live a fulfilling life.

I remember I got a philosophy student really pissed off with me when I wrote the above (in a far more less nuanced form though), in another forum.

IMO western philosophy is for people who like to have very abstract arguments.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Yeah.

That's the conclusion I came to (Tim Ferris and Philosopher Alain De Botton agree with me), that a lot of philosophy is comprised of arguments about definitions. Often arguing about how precise definitions.

That was my impression anyway.

I like the path that Alain De Botton went down, he wanted to promote and build what someone called 'therapeutic philosophy', a field of philosophy that is useful to people in their daily lives, and gives guidance for people on how to live their lives. Stoicism is an example of therapeutic philosophy, even in Ancient Greece when arguments about metaphysics, ontology and epistemology were rife, the Stoics were primarily concerned about how to cope with suffering, and how to live a fulfilling life.

I remember I got a philosophy student really pissed off with me when I wrote the above (in a far more less nuanced form though), in another forum.

IMO western philosophy is for people who like to have very abstract arguments.
Philosophy done properly pretty much amounts to either math or some type of science.
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I mean.... Who cares?

there's a bunch of religious nut jobs in the usa. He seems pretty stable/agnostic in comparison to the voodoo bullchit that "real" religious people believe in.
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Originally Posted By SeymourGains⏩
For someone who talks a lot im surprised he hasnt said something stupid sooner
Lol, came in to say it was only a matter of time.
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
I don't know how much attention you've paid to Peterson but he's not religious in the same way that people showing up to church on a Sunday in South Carolina are religious.

He is more interested in the psychological and metaphorical (even Darwinistic) truth of the religious traditions.
Philosopher Loyal rule made the case that religions serves a (necessary) evolutionary biological function. (I've yet to read the book on the subject, I've only watched a few talks and interviews on youtube.)

That to survive and flourish, we need to commit the naturalist fallacy (ie. deriving a value from a fact). Although logically speaking it's nonsense to do so, he seem to argue that without deriving an imperative from a observation (the naturalistic fallacy), we wouldn't have the impetus to survive as nomadic groups and begin to create civilization.

He says that religion creates an impetus, because it appeals to cognitive, psychological, and physiological aspects our nature simultaneously (the art, stories, rituals, communal rituals, calender events).

Michael Dowd is friend of Loyal Rue's and is a Christian Preacher who doesn't literally believe in Christianity, but he believes it's useful and leads to a fulfilling life to be Religious. He uses God as a personification metaphor for the processes of the universe, that creates a sense of relationship to reality. He also believes that things like prayer are useful therapeutically.

Loyal Rue also seems to make the case that without a religion of some kind consumerism (I would also add careerism) will become our new 'religion' . Consumerism and Careerism will become our primary guidance for our personal development, how we structure our lives, and how we view relationships. I think Loyal (and other religious thinkers who have said the same thing) are right. (I've noticed that the personal development field could probably be called the 'how to make more money, or become an executive' field.)

I think that this video brilliantly (and satirically) shows what happens when consumerism and careerism dominate a society...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9zThcMJzQU

Edit: Forgot to add; Loyal Rue simultaneously makes the case for Religious Naturalism.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Philosophy done properly pretty much amounts to either math or some type of science.
'Done properly'.

That's the point that you will find massive amounts of disagreement on. I'm curious what you mean by that?

Disagreements have been raging for centuries upon centuries.
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