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post 1614516931 08-24-2020, 08:11 PM
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For all we know black holes could be gateways into other universes. On the other side could be white holes that spew our matter forming building blocks for other universes.
post 1614516961 08-24-2020, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted By Tears⏩
You sound mad af. That was a pathetic analogy.

Take evolution, for instance. The theory is that homosaps and monkeys had a common ancestor. Not that humans evolved from monkeys. That is the problem with theories. None of it is fact and it never will be.
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post 1614517131 08-24-2020, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted By MBisonSon⏩
Best thread: http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=168274783
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post 1614517161 08-24-2020, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Tears⏩
You sound mad af. That was a pathetic analogy.

Take evolution, for instance. The theory is that homosaps and monkeys had a common ancestor. Not that humans evolved from monkeys. That is the problem with theories. None of it is fact and it never will be.
No chit we have a common ancestor. That IS evolution you dumb fuk. A species fractures from a random mutation and if it's beneficial enough the species diverges. The more successful group from the split goes on to be more fruitful. And that creates a new branch in the tree. Which then led to more branches (read other sapiens) being created and lost.
post 1614517171 08-24-2020, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted By ThisIsSceaming⏩
I thought it was measurable in theory, but it's expanding so rapidly that in practice it's basically infinite.

Physics brahs explain
The universe can be both infinite and expanding. The expansion isn't "into or out of" anything. It is an expansion of how distances are measured if that makes sense. Think of it as if the scale is changing.
post 1614517231 08-24-2020, 08:15 PM
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Because no one fuking knows **** and if you think they do you’re a fuking moron.
post 1614517381 08-24-2020, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted By ralphlaurenbrah⏩
Because no one fuking knows **** and if you think they do you’re a fuking moron.
Or YOURE the moron whom doesn't know enough to even know how ignorant you are.
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Originally Posted By Underwrought⏩
No chit we have a common ancestor. That IS evolution you dumb fuk. A species fractures from a random mutation and if it's beneficial enough the species diverges. The more successful group from the split goes on to be more fruitful. And that creates a new branch in the tree. Which then led to more branches (read other sapiens) being created and lost.
post 1614517491 08-24-2020, 08:17 PM
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because what we perceive and what is the total reality of the universe are two different things. Do you think an Ant perceives the universe the same as us? thats only a very minuscule comparison to how much we understand the universe as humans.
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post 1614517571 08-24-2020, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted By Tears⏩
lmao
post 1614517901 08-24-2020, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Tears⏩
I always forget how ignorant the general populace is.
post 1614517911 08-24-2020, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
because what we perceive and what is the total reality of the universe are two different things. Do you think an Ant perceives the universe the same as us? thats only a very minuscule comparison to how much we understand the universe as humans.
I see this a lot and while you are absolutely right, don't sell humanity short. You really can understand gravitation quite well. Just not perfectly. Humans have discovered some incredibly accurate models of physics that do offer very real useful insights into the nature of existence.
post 1614518241 08-24-2020, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Underwrought⏩
I always forget how ignorant the general populace is.
Agreed. What is most funny about that is, it is a transvestite delivering it. Almost ironic, no? But very fitting regarding 2020.
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Originally Posted By ThisIsSceaming⏩
I thought it was measurable in theory, but it's expanding so rapidly that in practice it's basically infinite.

Physics brahs explain





you can see the edge but those little demons cant. the edge is infinity. you can make it smaller or larger but the edge is always infinity.






i think thats what it means anyway. not a physics brah.
post 1614518491 08-24-2020, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩





you can see the edge but those little demons cant. the edge is infinity. you can make it smaller or larger but the edge is always infinity.






i think thats what it means anyway. not a physics brah.
Lulz I watch Joe Rogan too cuck.
post 1614518681 08-24-2020, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted By Underwrought⏩
No chit we have a common ancestor. That IS evolution you dumb fuk. A species fractures from a random mutation and if it's beneficial enough the species diverges. The more successful group from the split goes on to be more fruitful. And that creates a new branch in the tree. Which then led to more branches (read other sapiens) being created and lost.
It's important when explaining evolution to emphasize a gradual change of allele frequencies IN POPULATIONS. It isn't as if 2 fishes randomly had a baby that then walked out on land like Mr Garrison there seems to believe. It's more like random mutations that weren't particularly deleterious or were even beneficial accumulated in a population enough that it slowly diverged into being able to do other things. Over time, with selection occurring on the population, new traits developed collectively in the species as a whole, allowing it to do other things. It's a gradual change in entire populations, not a discontinuous change in a single generation of individuals. Now, you could have extreme cases of it being due to a single individual, particularly for microbes. For example, suppose by some fluke, a particular individual bacterium has a resistance to some antibiotic due to a mutation. Well, if you wipe out the population with the antibiotic but allow it to replicate, you should soon see a new population that is resistant to the antibiotic. The population thus evolved resistance.
post 1614518841 08-24-2020, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I see this a lot and while you are absolutely right, don't sell humanity short. You really can understand gravitation quite well. Just not perfectly. Humans have discovered some incredibly accurate models of physics that do offer very real useful insights into the nature of existence.
only according to humans through human created forms of measurement and human created equations. Its like asking Donald Trump who should be the next president. We are creating and verifying our understanding based on our own verification and understanding. Although it helps us understand some things, it doesnt definitively explain anything.
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post 1614518861 08-24-2020, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted By Underwrought⏩
I always forget how ignorant the general populace is.
You are also ignorant.
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Originally Posted By Underwrought⏩
Lulz I watch Joe Rogan too cuck.
lmaoo i didnt actually get that from joe rogan though. i watched this russian science brahs video making sense of penroses paper








led me to some other vids with penrose and he discussed it. still dont really understand it.



this ****** penrose actually found proof of a previous universe though. something about a remnant gravitational signal from black hole collisions evident in our early universe that "permeated" through.


heres the paper if you can actually decipher that lol:https://arxiv.org/pdf/1808.01740.pdf
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also, because the universe is obviously flat.
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
only according to humans through human created forms of measurement and human created equations. Its like asking Donald Trump who should be the next president. We are creating and verifying our understanding based on our own verification and understanding. Although it helps us understand some things, it doesnt definitively explain anything.
It does. We have experiments. We can predict many of the outcomes of experiment to extreme accuracy using these models. We have seen things nobody would have expected or thought of in the past. For example, things like time dilation, the quantum zeno effect, the mass energy equivalence, the violation of Bell's inequalities, the existence of antimatter, the Higgs field and superconductivity, etc
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Originally Posted By BuckNakedinBama⏩
Either it's infinitely large (has no measurements), or it is finite (has measurements) and is expanding.

Logically it can't be both.
The Universe is under no obligation to make sense to you.
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
also, because the universe is obviously flat.
to a good approximation

but we don't know for sure
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Originally Posted By yeshli2nuts⏩
The Universe is under no obligation to make sense to you.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
that guy is an enormous *******. no idea why they chose him to be the spokesperson for physics...

imagine considering him to be the replacement of the literally GOAT carl sagan. just lmao.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
that guy is an enormous *******. no idea why they chose him to be the spokesperson for physics...

imagine considering him to be the replacement of the literally GOAT carl sagan. just lmao.
why? he's a good emissary for science

and the fact he is black means he is a great role model for minorities
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
lmaoo i didnt actually get that from joe rogan though. i watched this russian science brahs video making sense of penroses paper








led me to some other vids with penrose and he discussed it. still dont really understand it.



this ****** penrose actually found proof of a previous universe though. something about a remnant gravitational signal from black hole collisions evident in our early universe that "permeated" through.


heres the paper if you can actually decipher that lol:https://arxiv.org/pdf/1808.01740.pdf
I think that's the same dude on JRE who was saying something like based on that finding a previous iterations civilization could have encoded a message into ours. But that's all based in the single verse theory.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
that guy is an enormous *******. no idea why they chose him to be the spokesperson for physics...

imagine considering him to be the replacement of the literally GOAT carl sagan. just lmao.
Cause he's black. Literally. Also no one chose him, he just became TV famous.
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Originally Posted By S0Jack3d⏩
Nothing can move faster than light.

Brb entire sections of the universe are moving away from us faster than light

How does this make sense?
Negative light moves faster than light
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Originally Posted By Underwrought⏩
Cause he's black. Literally. Also no one chose him, he just became TV famous.
It's not only because he is black. He is a good communicator of science to lay people. Guys like David Gross and Edward Witten are way smarter, but they're kind of intimidating and can scare people away. Tyson is a young, cool black guy who is good at explaining things to people in a simple way. That's why he has become the successor to Sagan.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
to a good approximation

but we don't know for sure
therefore, the earth must also be flat
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