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post 1614920791 08-28-2020, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN
Basically. If you're a member of the tribe, you get paid out by the casino of your tribe on the reservation lmao.

Leads to a life of absolute squalor. Srs.
Can confirm, used to live by a tribal area in california and hung out with a native casino accountant who made $700k+ a year. Degenmaxxed so hard it made pattagucci look like a saint.
post 1614922831 08-28-2020, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted By HalfDragon
Can confirm, used to live by a tribal area in california and hung out with a native casino accountant who made $700k+ a year. Degenmaxxed so hard it made pattagucci look like a saint.
Jesus. The guy could almost buy a house in LA.
post 1614924101 08-28-2020, 03:32 PM
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I would need at least one more zero added to that.
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post 1614925181 08-28-2020, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted By MotorcycleBrah
Well I'm from germany and if you're unemployed you'll get everything paid for by the state anyway (flat, moving expenses, child money, health insurance etc.) and a basic income on top of it so idk how that is different from just taking the social money and leech from society. Oh and you're allowed to take a mini job up to 400 € per month and still get your full unemployment money on top. There's not much difference from your living standards if you're unemployed or working 40+ hours a week in a low income job like eldercare in germany srs.
If that's true, why even bother working?
post 1614925761 08-28-2020, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted By IronProdigy
If that's true, why even bother working?
Yeah that's what some people also think and live by... Also the living expenses in Germany are quite low. Food costs are ridiculously low for a first world country. IMO it's ok that unemployed people are also able to live a life with some standards but it's not ok that there are so little differences between low wage jobs and just taking money from the state. If you work a full time job you also should do decent money compared to unemployed folks.
post 1614926901 08-28-2020, 03:58 PM
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But does a person who is single, or a couple with no kids get the same amount as a couple with kids? Or dependent family members? Because then 1,400 bucks will have a different effect depending on a person's situation.
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post 1614927021 08-28-2020, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted By JT11RTR
I would be interested in the true motives of the 140,000 people that donated and the lobbying group Mein Grundeinkommen. Is this really just another way to keep people lazy, poor and dependent on the government? Also interested in who gets this money and how they were chosen.
Almost devolving back into a pseudo-feudal system where the Nobles provide everything for their peasants.
post 1614927131 08-28-2020, 04:01 PM
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The idea of UBI baffles me.

How is surrendering your personal socio-economic upwards mobility to a bureaucrat for what amounts to scraps a good idea?
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post 1614929701 08-28-2020, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted By iabs
The idea of UBI baffles me.

How is surrendering your personal socio-economic upwards mobility to a bureaucrat for what amounts to scraps a good idea?
Well duh, obviously those people are total losers and are too stupid to be able to advance in society!
post 1614931671 08-28-2020, 04:50 PM
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To be universal it has to be given to everyone

The whole point of it is you get to keep the income even if you get a job, so it doesn’t distort incentives

And removed the need for a massive governments hind to undertake means testing

As described this is just welfare

Worst part is people will point to this **** and say UBI doesn’t work
Originally Posted By iabs
The idea of UBI baffles me.

How is surrendering your personal socio-economic upwards mobility to a bureaucrat for what amounts to scraps a good idea?
It actually makes sense if implemented properly

If nothing else you get to sack thousands upon thousands of bureaucrats whose job it is to determine eligibility for welfare

And you get rid of peoples disincentive to work (ie at present many welfare recipients stay on government benefits because they’re scared of losing the benefits if they get a job, especially a temporary one)

Welfare recipients often face an effective marginal tax rate greater than 100% when moving into the workforce
post 1614932641 08-28-2020, 05:02 PM
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post 1614933881 08-28-2020, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted By LateShow
Explain how this would not only increase taxes for everyone, but also how it wouldn’t just lead to inflation?

UBI is the most retarded economic strategy that’s just veiled socialism
Inflation is what got us where we are now. The dollar was devalued and wages for the majority didn't keep up.

Lowering the prices of goods (housing, education, healthcare) would be called deflation and scares bankers way more than inflation.

UBI is just boosting the masses up like a step stool for a short kid.
Originally Posted By r32gojirra
To be universal it has to be given to everyone

The whole point of it is you get to keep the income even if you get a job, so it doesn’t distort incentives

And removed the need for a massive governments hind to undertake means testing

As described this is just welfare

Worst part is people will point to this **** and say UBI doesn’t work



It actually makes sense if implemented properly

If nothing else you get to sack thousands upon thousands of bureaucrats whose job it is to determine eligibility for welfare

And you get rid of peoples disincentive to work (ie at present many welfare recipients stay on government benefits because they’re scared of losing the benefits if they get a job, especially a temporary one)

Welfare recipients often face an effective marginal tax rate greater than 100% when moving into the workforce
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post 1614935331 08-28-2020, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted By R1p1T
what is universal income? is it any different then welfare?
Not really, just a different name. You, me and everyone else who works hard pays for lazy or incompentent asses who leech of tax money.
post 1614936551 08-28-2020, 05:45 PM
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this dude rolling over in his grave


post 1614937381 08-28-2020, 05:56 PM
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140,000 Germans sent money so 120 can break the poverty line.

If the entire German population paid the same amount it would only cover 71,850 people.
post 1614937851 08-28-2020, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey
Let's be real, the U.S. as a country is greedy, Baby Boomers sold us all out to reap riches. We could use a universal income for the lower and middle class. An extra $1000 could help with rent, college, debt, and food.
Never forget what they took from you. Boomers sold the future of their sons and grandsons for cheap labor.
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