Thread: God/religion etc.
02-27-2024, 11:37 AM
#31
Originally Posted By immune18⏩
I'm saying that prayer is kind of like meditation in that people easily give-up on it because they don't "feel-it". and Meditation can be a part of Christian devotion exercise
So you’re saying I could get the same positive result from meditation and it’s got nothing to do with god?
it's easy to be lazy about prayer/meditation like how it's easy to skip lacing up the trainers and getting out for a cardio jog because the weather/conditions is not ideal…..but when one FORCES themselves to do it they usually feel better for it after
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02-27-2024, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted By immune18⏩
Is that really your takeaway after reading his post??
So you’re saying I could get the same positive result from meditation and it’s got nothing to do with god?
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02-27-2024, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
bless you
Is that really your takeaway after reading his post??
02-27-2024, 12:18 PM
#34
Originally Posted By theraskal⏩
I'm saying that prayer is kind of like meditation in that people easily give-up on it because they don't "feel-it". and Meditation can be a part of Christian devotion exercise
it's easy to be lazy about prayer/meditation like how it's easy to skip lacing up the trainers and getting out for a cardio jog because the weather/conditions is not ideal…..but when one FORCES themselves to do it they usually feel better for it after
it's easy to be lazy about prayer/meditation like how it's easy to skip lacing up the trainers and getting out for a cardio jog because the weather/conditions is not ideal…..but when one FORCES themselves to do it they usually feel better for it after
Strong posts in this thread. And again, people who consistently work on developing and maintaining a relationship with God will generally be healthier and happier than their counterparts. There’s a reason it has been so common across all times and all cultures. And there’s a reason why severing that connection typically results in worse outcomes(both on a personal and societal level).
But if someone uses any variation of version of “invisible sky daddy”, “magic sky wizard”, etc. you can go ahead and stop the conversation there because there’s about a zero percent chance it’s going anywhere.
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02-27-2024, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
No I 100% agree that’s definitely a thing. The question I have is, is it really because it’s god, or is it just accessing a part of the brain that makes us feel happy in our fantasy? Because if it’s the second one then it’s not worth my time. That’s what I want to try to figure out to the best of my ability, I guess that’ll just be through instinct and feeling ultimately.
Strong posts in this thread. And again, people who consistently work on developing and maintaining a relationship with God will generally be healthier and happier than their counterparts. There’s a reason it has been so common across all times and all cultures. And there’s a reason why severing that connection typically results in worse outcomes(both on a personal and societal level).
But if someone uses any variation of version of “invisible sky daddy”, “magic sky wizard”, etc. you can go ahead and stop the conversation there because there’s about a zero percent chance it’s going anywhere.
But if someone uses any variation of version of “invisible sky daddy”, “magic sky wizard”, etc. you can go ahead and stop the conversation there because there’s about a zero percent chance it’s going anywhere.
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02-27-2024, 12:35 PM
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«Im atheist but christian morals is good for society!»
I hate this gay take.
If society comes before God you are as far from having Christian morals as it gets.
I hate this gay take.
If society comes before God you are as far from having Christian morals as it gets.
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02-27-2024, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted By 4everalone⏩
Caring for other people and loving God are similar:
«Im atheist but christian morals is good for society!»
I hate this gay take.
If society comes before God you are as far from having Christian morals as it gets.
I hate this gay take.
If society comes before God you are as far from having Christian morals as it gets.
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37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
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02-27-2024, 01:01 PM
#38
Originally Posted By 4everalone⏩
Who said that?
«Im atheist but christian morals is good for society!»
I hate this gay take.
If society comes before God you are as far from having Christian morals as it gets.
I hate this gay take.
If society comes before God you are as far from having Christian morals as it gets.
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02-27-2024, 01:06 PM
#39
Originally Posted By immune18⏩
It's a pretty common cop-out where you admit that God is right, but not that he exists:
Who said that?
see also: "Jesus was a great teacher, but he is not God."
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02-27-2024, 01:40 PM
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In my opinion organized religion was created for poor slaves - it's a poor mans idealogy which keeps the lower classes in society docile with the hope of a better next life.
Creator =/= God.
Creator =/= God.
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02-27-2024, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted By skunkshark⏩
Who said that in this thread? Or were you just randomly mentioning it?
It's a pretty common cop-out where you admit that God is right, but not that he exists:
see also: "Jesus was a great teacher, but he is not God."
see also: "Jesus was a great teacher, but he is not God."
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02-27-2024, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted By ConTroLFreaKK⏩
It could be. I’m open to any possibility. I just want to know how people are SO sure that god is real etc? There must be something they’re feeling or some sensation of some kind to make it seem so real without any proof, highly intelligent rich, successful men who have no real need to depend on anyone except themselves, unless it’s just down to programming from a young age
In my opinion organized religion was created for poor slaves - it's a poor mans idealogy which keeps the lower classes in society docile with the hope of a better next life.
Creator =/= God.
Creator =/= God.
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02-27-2024, 01:48 PM
#43
Originally Posted By immune18⏩
post #2
Who said that in this thread? Or were you just randomly mentioning it?
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02-27-2024, 01:50 PM
#44
Originally Posted By immune18⏩
The thing with believing in God is that it takes some amount of faith. There is never going to be something you can point to and say "See there? God.".
It could be. I’m open to any possibility. I just want to know how people are SO sure that god is real etc? There must be something they’re feeling or some sensation of some kind to make it seem so real without any proof, highly intelligent rich, successful men who have no real need to depend on anyone except themselves, unless it’s just down to programming from a young age
You can make arguments for God based on anecdotal experiences, but there's a reason faith is required. It's a feeling deep down that you know it to be true. Some people have that, and some don't.
As for programming from a young age, that is how most people end up religious, however, there are also many people who go from non religious to religious later in life, and vice versa. People that go from one to another either way tend to be more zealous in their beliefs than those who were raised one way or another, at least from what I've noticed.
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02-27-2024, 01:56 PM
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The only alternative you can really consider if you do not believe creation would be spontaneous emergence and spontaneous motion.
We know our universe has a beginning so it has not always been here.
I go with God for many reasons but I am satisfied with that answer. Humans are too complex with emotions, choice, and consequence for actions. That just makes it really hard to go with any other choice. And it makes me feel better so win win.
I also believe that god did revel himself before humanity split apart. That is why most religions have origination to Jerusalem. This time and place would make the most logical sense in the timeline of humanity.
We know our universe has a beginning so it has not always been here.
I go with God for many reasons but I am satisfied with that answer. Humans are too complex with emotions, choice, and consequence for actions. That just makes it really hard to go with any other choice. And it makes me feel better so win win.
I also believe that god did revel himself before humanity split apart. That is why most religions have origination to Jerusalem. This time and place would make the most logical sense in the timeline of humanity.
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02-27-2024, 02:20 PM
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I like the idea that something created this world, maybe not each person individually but something set the building blocks and let things happen.
I won’t ever believe that any religious sect has it correct. You’ve seen some replies already where people come in and try to state god is objectively real, in the image their texts paint him to be. This is where any discourse ends because you can’t and won’t get them to budge on the notion that they’re 100% correct.
It’s the same way with militant atheists. These people are also somehow 100% correct that there’s no creator or creating force, which is again impossible to prove.
Religion is just one way humans have tried to understand themselves, and life in general.
I won’t ever believe that any religious sect has it correct. You’ve seen some replies already where people come in and try to state god is objectively real, in the image their texts paint him to be. This is where any discourse ends because you can’t and won’t get them to budge on the notion that they’re 100% correct.
It’s the same way with militant atheists. These people are also somehow 100% correct that there’s no creator or creating force, which is again impossible to prove.
Religion is just one way humans have tried to understand themselves, and life in general.
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02-27-2024, 02:28 PM
#47
Originally Posted By Kawhilights⏩
In general people are too emotionally connected to their ideas to even listen to anything else. They just shell up then get mad if they feel like they don't have an answer to any objections.
I like the idea that something created this world, maybe not each person individually but something set the building blocks and let things happen.
I won’t ever believe that any religious sect has it correct. You’ve seen some replies already where people come in and try to state god is objectively real, in the image their texts paint him to be. This is where any discourse ends because you can’t and won’t get them to budge on the notion that they’re 100% correct.
It’s the same way with militant atheists. These people are also somehow 100% correct that there’s no creator or creating force, which is again impossible to prove.
Religion is just one way humans have tried to understand themselves, and life in general.
I won’t ever believe that any religious sect has it correct. You’ve seen some replies already where people come in and try to state god is objectively real, in the image their texts paint him to be. This is where any discourse ends because you can’t and won’t get them to budge on the notion that they’re 100% correct.
It’s the same way with militant atheists. These people are also somehow 100% correct that there’s no creator or creating force, which is again impossible to prove.
Religion is just one way humans have tried to understand themselves, and life in general.
Religion was a major building block of society, I'm wondering if it would have even been possible to civilize humans without religion considering we see it as a corner stone in almost all beginnings of civilization.
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02-27-2024, 02:32 PM
#48
Originally Posted By Kawhilights⏩
Exactly. There’s no proof of anything, so it’s seeming it’s all just one big coping mechanism and the way the human mind works unfortunately. People saying things like ‘it makes no sense that there’s no creator’
I like the idea that something created this world, maybe not each person individually but something set the building blocks and let things happen.
I won’t ever believe that any religious sect has it correct. You’ve seen some replies already where people come in and try to state god is objectively real, in the image their texts paint him to be. This is where any discourse ends because you can’t and won’t get them to budge on the notion that they’re 100% correct.
It’s the same way with militant atheists. These people are also somehow 100% correct that there’s no creator or creating force, which is again impossible to prove.
Religion is just one way humans have tried to understand themselves, and life in general.
I won’t ever believe that any religious sect has it correct. You’ve seen some replies already where people come in and try to state god is objectively real, in the image their texts paint him to be. This is where any discourse ends because you can’t and won’t get them to budge on the notion that they’re 100% correct.
It’s the same way with militant atheists. These people are also somehow 100% correct that there’s no creator or creating force, which is again impossible to prove.
Religion is just one way humans have tried to understand themselves, and life in general.
Dafuq? Nothing makes any sense to us because we have no idea what happened and probably would need a brain the size of Jupiter to even begin to comprehend it. I was hoping people had some extreme overwhelming feeling or experiences that led them to believe in god so strongly. Doesn’t seem to be the case.
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02-27-2024, 02:33 PM
#49
Originally Posted By ConTroLFreaKK⏩
docile in what ways?
In my opinion organized religion was created for poor slaves - it's a poor mans idealogy which keeps the lower classes in society docile with the hope of a better next life.
Creator =/= God.
Creator =/= God.
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02-27-2024, 04:22 PM
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Do you believe in an absolute right and wrong, or does what's right and wrong depend on the time and place?
Could ****philia, for example, be permissable if the culture of that place says it's acceptable.
If you do believe in an absolute morality, marinate on why that is.
Could ****philia, for example, be permissable if the culture of that place says it's acceptable.
If you do believe in an absolute morality, marinate on why that is.
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02-27-2024, 04:26 PM
#51
Originally Posted By immune18⏩
What kind of proof are you looking for? You're right in a way, that we can not apprehend God with our mind. Since God is the creator of the natural world, understanding him scientifically is impossible and scientific arguments against God make no logical sense.
Exactly. There’s no proof of anything, so it’s seeming it’s all just one big coping mechanism and the way the human mind works unfortunately. People saying things like ‘it makes no sense that there’s no creator’
There is a lot of historical proof that Jesus was a real person who was really crucified and yes even that he rose from the dead.
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02-27-2024, 06:20 PM
#52
Originally Posted By immune18⏩
Believing that there is no God basically comes down to having no limit to the amount of things you can chalk up to random chance/coincidence. In other words, you can say that all matter jsut randomly sprang from nothing, and just so happened to organize in a way that prioritizes the creation of life through an unfathomably complex dance of matter, which always drives towards becoming more and more complex, until it reaches a point where it can access a part of Consciousness that seems to link us with a Creator, and in a way that upon death fully experiences reunion with God and the Onesness of Creation….all just by happen-chance. And that’s the EXTREMELY abridged version because the list of things you have to attribute to random dumb luck to believe in a universe without a Creator is practically endless. And that’s before even getting into the human experience of connecting with God.
It could be. I’m open to any possibility. I just want to know how people are SO sure that god is real etc? There must be something they’re feeling or some sensation of some kind to make it seem so real without any proof, highly intelligent rich, successful men who have no real need to depend on anyone except themselves, unless it’s just down to programming from a young age
As someone pointed out, building a relationship with God is a process much like exercise. And as you work on it you get better at it. Considering where you are now I’d say you’ll very likely get there eventually assuming you keep searching and asking questions while being open to the possibility.
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02-27-2024, 11:04 PM
#53
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
I can only follow something if I truely believe in it, and so far I’m not believing it. I live life as if god could be real, but not that he IS real if that makes sense. The only reason I’m not abandoning the whole thing is because I feel something is missing from my research, I don’t think it’s anything logical, I want to understand the ‘feelings’ that people have that make them believe in god so strongly. Maybe it’s impossible to interpet it through a forum Idk.
Believing that there is no God basically comes down to having no limit to the amount of things you can chalk up to random chance/coincidence. In other words, you can say that all matter jsut randomly sprang from nothing, and just so happened to organize in a way that prioritizes the creation of life through an unfathomably complex dance of matter, which always drives towards becoming more and more complex, until it reaches a point where it can access a part of Consciousness that seems to link us with a Creator, and in a way that upon death fully experiences reunion with God and the Onesness of Creation….all just by happen-chance. And that’s the EXTREMELY abridged version because the list of things you have to attribute to random dumb luck to believe in a universe without a Creator is practically endless. And that’s before even getting into the human experience of connecting with God.
As someone pointed out, building a relationship with God is a process much like exercise. And as you work on it you get better at it. Considering where you are now I’d say you’ll very likely get there eventually assuming you keep searching and asking questions while being open to the possibility.
As someone pointed out, building a relationship with God is a process much like exercise. And as you work on it you get better at it. Considering where you are now I’d say you’ll very likely get there eventually assuming you keep searching and asking questions while being open to the possibility.
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02-27-2024, 11:59 PM
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Well, without Christianity we can see how our society has fallen to the scum of the earth.
Religion is needed in civilization to prevent the downfall by keeping moral order. There are "man's laws" and "God's laws".
When people don't care about God's laws they sleep around, cheat on their spouses and live hedonistic lives. Not that I haven't done this myself when I have strayed from Jesus…..but overall the areas where there are churches in America are more stable than my area which is mostly progressive atheist lunatics.
Religion is needed in civilization to prevent the downfall by keeping moral order. There are "man's laws" and "God's laws".
When people don't care about God's laws they sleep around, cheat on their spouses and live hedonistic lives. Not that I haven't done this myself when I have strayed from Jesus…..but overall the areas where there are churches in America are more stable than my area which is mostly progressive atheist lunatics.
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02-28-2024, 12:14 AM
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Religion makes people behave morally lololololololol
Shall I start listing examples?
We would all be dead before I finished.
Everything about it except the ideas of the people who blindly follow it is about money and nothing else.
Shall I start listing examples?
We would all be dead before I finished.
Everything about it except the ideas of the people who blindly follow it is about money and nothing else.
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02-28-2024, 02:29 AM
#56
Originally Posted By DustinTheHuss⏩
No I get that of course, however that isn’t enough of a reason for me to dedicate myself to god because I would be lying to myself / the people around me. I have to actually believe it’s true in order to commit to it.
Well, without Christianity we can see how our society has fallen to the scum of the earth.
Religion is needed in civilization to prevent the downfall by keeping moral order. There are "man's laws" and "God's laws".
When people don't care about God's laws they sleep around, cheat on their spouses and live hedonistic lives. Not that I haven't done this myself when I have strayed from Jesus…..but overall the areas where there are churches in America are more stable than my area which is mostly progressive atheist lunatics.
Religion is needed in civilization to prevent the downfall by keeping moral order. There are "man's laws" and "God's laws".
When people don't care about God's laws they sleep around, cheat on their spouses and live hedonistic lives. Not that I haven't done this myself when I have strayed from Jesus…..but overall the areas where there are churches in America are more stable than my area which is mostly progressive atheist lunatics.
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02-28-2024, 02:40 AM
#57
Originally Posted By immune18⏩
What If you actually try to follow the teachings of the bible.
No I get that of course, however that isn’t enough of a reason for me to dedicate myself to god because I would be lying to myself / the people around me. I have to actually believe it’s true in order to commit to it.
Maybe the improvements you make in life will make you realize that this is the Truth & Sigmund Freud psycotherapy jewry is rope inducing force leading you towards satan
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02-28-2024, 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted By immune18⏩
Well what do you believe? Perhaps we should start there.
No I get that of course, however that isn’t enough of a reason for me to dedicate myself to god because I would be lying to myself / the people around me. I have to actually believe it’s true in order to commit to it.
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02-28-2024, 03:34 AM
#59
Originally Posted By 4everalone⏩
You worship a 2000 year old fake dead jew fairy tale. Yet you want to immediately discount thousands of years of advances in psychology that actually work if you apply them, because one guy who wrote a book about it was jewish.
What If you actually try to follow the teachings of the bible.
Maybe the improvements you make in life will make you realize that this is the Truth & Sigmund Freud psycotherapy jewry is rope inducing force leading you towards satan
Maybe the improvements you make in life will make you realize that this is the Truth & Sigmund Freud psycotherapy jewry is rope inducing force leading you towards satan
Things that make no sense.
02-28-2024, 03:35 AM
#60
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Nothing, I don’t believe nor disbelieve anything because I don’t know / have any proof or strong feelings / beliefs. However I want to exhaust all options in terms of religion before I give up on it completely and move on.
Well what do you believe? Perhaps we should start there.
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