Thread: God/religion etc.
02-27-2024, 07:10 AM
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God/religion etc.
I’ve always been agnostic as there is no proof of anything, but the whole thing fascinates me how the majority of the world believes in god. I know there’s lots of benefits of religion, it makes people behave morally and improves communities etc. But is there really something to it? Or is it just one giant human fantasy / coping mechanism that makes them feel hope and less lonely?
Maybe someone can give some smart advice that might help.
Maybe someone can give some smart advice that might help.
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02-27-2024, 07:28 AM
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Nobody knows for sure. I consider myself more of a Diest with Christian leanings than an outright Agnostic. My religious views are somewhat similar to Thomas Jefferson’s. He rejected a lot of the miracles of the Bible, but deeply valued the teachings. Personally, I conceive the miracles could be theoretically possible though.
I believe it is logical that a God exists, however we as human beings are not intellectually equipped to ever comprehend what God truly is or the scope of divine intervention on earth. There is certainly more to the universe than scientific minds understand. I believe we just don’t have the capability to grasp the concept of what is really out there and our biological limitations prevent us from ever being able to do so.
That being said, the teachings of Jesus Christ are tremendously valuable. I would probably raise my children to be Christians solely because it’s the religion I find provides the best moral foundation. Whether or not Christ was truly the son of God is irrelevant. If you approach life as if he was, you’ll be better off (srs).
I believe it is logical that a God exists, however we as human beings are not intellectually equipped to ever comprehend what God truly is or the scope of divine intervention on earth. There is certainly more to the universe than scientific minds understand. I believe we just don’t have the capability to grasp the concept of what is really out there and our biological limitations prevent us from ever being able to do so.
That being said, the teachings of Jesus Christ are tremendously valuable. I would probably raise my children to be Christians solely because it’s the religion I find provides the best moral foundation. Whether or not Christ was truly the son of God is irrelevant. If you approach life as if he was, you’ll be better off (srs).
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02-27-2024, 07:32 AM
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people search to the ends of the earth trying to find the meaning and purpose that Jesus Christ gives. praise him.
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02-27-2024, 07:52 AM
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The most concise points to make:
1.) imho it seems much more likely that there is a Creator than not
2.) there is a reason the vast VAST majority of humans seek connection to God regardless of time and culture. It applies to practically every civilization.
3.) religious and spiritual people are generally(I said generally) healthier and happier than their non-religious/atheistic counterparts
4.) actively seek and maintain a relationship with God and your life will pretty much always improve.
1.) imho it seems much more likely that there is a Creator than not
2.) there is a reason the vast VAST majority of humans seek connection to God regardless of time and culture. It applies to practically every civilization.
3.) religious and spiritual people are generally(I said generally) healthier and happier than their non-religious/atheistic counterparts
4.) actively seek and maintain a relationship with God and your life will pretty much always improve.
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02-27-2024, 07:59 AM
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According to the bible, God looks like the final boss of Dark Souls 1
And Jesus
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02-27-2024, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted By immune18⏩
God is real, breh.
I’ve always been agnostic as there is no proof of anything, but the whole thing fascinates me how the majority of the world believes in god. I know there’s lots of benefits of religion, it makes people behave morally and improves communities etc. But is there really something to it? Or is it just one giant human fantasy / coping mechanism that makes them feel hope and less lonely?
Maybe someone can give some smart advice that might help.
Maybe someone can give some smart advice that might help.
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02-27-2024, 08:03 AM
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I don't know how anyone can look at organized religion and not see its at best a ponzi scam and at worst a weird sex cult with a dictator in charge. God is just used as a spiritual boogeyman to keep the morons in check.
L. Ron Hubbard wrote a book on how to do this. Sure you have to start off with a pack of loonies, but eventually you get some normies in your cult and it takes off from there. Then you get to steal everyone's money and have sex with their kids.
L. Ron Hubbard wrote a book on how to do this. Sure you have to start off with a pack of loonies, but eventually you get some normies in your cult and it takes off from there. Then you get to steal everyone's money and have sex with their kids.
02-27-2024, 08:04 AM
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we believe in science but it has been proven to be wrong time and time again. we're just clueless apes. something had to be made from nothing. whatever that thing is God. i'd rather live in a God fearing society than not
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02-27-2024, 08:10 AM
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It makes total sense for the world to have a creator than not to. Earth needs so many things operating in infinite precision for it to be habitable for the ungrateful **** on it.
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02-27-2024, 08:52 AM
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so you mean to tell me you guys actually believe something came from nothing? lmao
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02-27-2024, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted By Friendster⏩
what did the nothing come from then genius? big bang had to have come from something.. in order for something to exist it had to come from 0
so you mean to tell me you guys actually believe something came from nothing? lmao
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02-27-2024, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted By Friendster⏩
No "where" existed. It wasn't a void of nothing, it was an entire inexistence in general.
so you mean to tell me you guys actually believe something came from nothing? lmao
No "when" existed. There was nothing. It wasn't like a blank sheet of paper waiting for its potential, it was no paper at all.
No "thing" existed. There was nothing from which anything could bang into existence.
So you have an absence of all things.
Within the absence, There was no place to put the big bang. Places didn't exist. There was no room for it, there was no "room"
Within thr absence, there was no resource from which everything came into existence.
Within thr absence, there was no moment at which it all came to be. Moments didn't exist.
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02-27-2024, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted By ithappenss⏩
what are you attacking me for? I don't believe in the big bang i believe in a creator
what did the nothing come from then genius? big bang had to have come from something.. in order for something to exist it had to come from 0
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02-27-2024, 09:26 AM
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In order for the big bang to have happened there must have existed a pallet structure upon which to put it, there had to be a resource from which all of it came, and there had to be a moment in which it happened.
None of these things existed, so big bang could not have happened
None of these things existed, so big bang could not have happened
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02-27-2024, 09:29 AM
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I don't necessarily believe in religion but I do believe in a creator.
Something has created this, the universe, big bang etc.
Whether its some form of simulation, an energy or being. There is something more than this.
We literally have no idea how expansive this world is or how many layers there are. There could be things going on right that which we simply do not have the understand to comprehend or see it.
We have invented science as an alternate way but its our interpretation, theres a lot of theory, speculation and interpretation involved. We've created science around how we see the universe but there's a lot of stuff science cannot rationalize. So much going on around us that we just cant even tap into.
Something has created this, the universe, big bang etc.
Whether its some form of simulation, an energy or being. There is something more than this.
We literally have no idea how expansive this world is or how many layers there are. There could be things going on right that which we simply do not have the understand to comprehend or see it.
We have invented science as an alternate way but its our interpretation, theres a lot of theory, speculation and interpretation involved. We've created science around how we see the universe but there's a lot of stuff science cannot rationalize. So much going on around us that we just cant even tap into.
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02-27-2024, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted By Friendster⏩
could be a paralel universe, whitehole.
so you mean to tell me you guys actually believe something came from nothing? lmao
but there was a big bang for sure.
02-27-2024, 09:32 AM
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Catholic/Orthodox have a LOOOONG History of Documented Miracles
research the Saints and their Lives. These were LIVING people just like us, some of them as imperfect as MISCers
you can watch some entertaining youtube vids. Saints point the way in a way that we can relate to on a human senses level, we believe what we can see and what humans have documented.
here are some popular known Saints/stories you can start with:
Padre Pio
Saint Bernadette and Lady of Lourdes
research the Saints and their Lives. These were LIVING people just like us, some of them as imperfect as MISCers
you can watch some entertaining youtube vids. Saints point the way in a way that we can relate to on a human senses level, we believe what we can see and what humans have documented.
here are some popular known Saints/stories you can start with:
Padre Pio
Saint Bernadette and Lady of Lourdes
02-27-2024, 09:38 AM
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100% a coping strategy. Life can be tough for a lot of people. Believing that some kind of all-knowing benevolent deity is watching out for you and is always ever-present, as well as believing that, at the end of the road, you'll go to heaven with your dead loved ones and be happy forever is a much easier cawk to swallow than believing that we're just a momentary blip in the history of the planet, that all life is random chaos and entropy, and that something else will pop up when we inevitably get wiped out.
On that last point though, even though life itself doesn't really have any overarching meaning in the grand mystical scheme of things, it's us that create our own individualized and personalized meaning in life.
Having said that, R&P —–>
On that last point though, even though life itself doesn't really have any overarching meaning in the grand mystical scheme of things, it's us that create our own individualized and personalized meaning in life.
Having said that, R&P —–>
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02-27-2024, 09:44 AM
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02-27-2024, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted By Friendster⏩
im not attacking you. you made a statement that something had to come from nothing - it did. sarcasm is difficult to understand in text form
what are you attacking me for? I don't believe in the big bang i believe in a creator
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02-27-2024, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted By skunkshark⏩
A short-haired pregnant lady? That's not chaos, that's science
you mean like this?
But I guess science can be chaotic.
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02-27-2024, 09:53 AM
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Whether or not you believe in God, the question still remains where did God come from? As an LDS believer I believe our God was once as we are and that we may become as he is and that he had father that went through the same process and so on back to the beginning. It still doesn't answer the question of how did everything come to be. Something had to create everything but then something had to create that something. Total mindfuk.
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02-27-2024, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted By dingler⏩
You believe in invisible sky fairies but ignore the fact that the guy who wrote your scriptures was an insane pe.dophile.
Whether or not you believe in God, the question still remains where did God come from? As an LDS believer I believe our God was once as we are and that we may become as he is and that he had father that went through the same process and so on back to the beginning. It still doesn't answer the question of how did everything come to be. Something had to create everything but then something had to create that something. Total mindfuk.
02-27-2024, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted By lightsarefallin⏩
that's a pregnant man, sir. Is there something wrong with that?
A short-haired pregnant lady? That's not chaos, that's science
But I guess science can be chaotic.
But I guess science can be chaotic.
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02-27-2024, 10:03 AM
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There's something to it for some, nothing to it for others, and everything in between.
It's one of the oldest questions that will be asked as long as humanity exists.
My thoughts are if something/somethings intelligent did create life, we would have no true concept of it, and did only come up with guesses about it at best, hence countless religions.
It's one of the oldest questions that will be asked as long as humanity exists.
My thoughts are if something/somethings intelligent did create life, we would have no true concept of it, and did only come up with guesses about it at best, hence countless religions.
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02-27-2024, 10:07 AM
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No dude Jesus came over to north america and met up with joseph smith right after he got out of prison and gave him some magic underwear and some solid gold records with alien chit on them and told him to bang as many 9 year olds as he wants and to make every female in the church his wife and tell all the male kids to get the fuk out and trade daughters with his buddies.
There's something to it for some, nothing to it for others, and everything in between.
It's one of the oldest questions that will be asked as long as humanity exists.
My thoughts are if something/somethings intelligent did create life, we would have no true concept of it, and did only come up with guesses about it at best, hence countless religions.
It's one of the oldest questions that will be asked as long as humanity exists.
My thoughts are if something/somethings intelligent did create life, we would have no true concept of it, and did only come up with guesses about it at best, hence countless religions.
That's God's plan. Not some pe.dophile crook taking advantage of stupid people.
02-27-2024, 10:07 AM
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Thanks for the replies. A few good points for me to think about, I want to look into it a lot and be totally sure about where I stand with my views before I give up on the idea. One strange thing happened today, I prayed for the first time in years asking for guidance, strength and help etc, and I felt noticeably better all day and got a load of DIY done which has needed to be done for months. Coincidence maybe, or the praying gives some kind of signal to the human brain which makes us feel happier and more motivated? I have no idea. Will need to go to church and speak to a couple of people to see their experiences
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02-27-2024, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted By immune18⏩
Thanks for the replies. A few good points for me to think about, I want to look into it a lot and be totally sure about where I stand with my views before I give up on the idea. One strange thing happened today, I prayed for the first time in years asking for guidance, strength and help etc, and I felt noticeably better all day and got a load of DIY done which has needed to be done for months. Coincidence maybe, or the praying gives some kind of signal to the human brain which makes us feel happier and more motivated? I have no idea. Will need to go to church and speak to a couple of people to see their experiences
prayer/meditation/devotion is the same as physical exercise. You will experience phases of blissful gains and spiritual droughts. Most people pray when they hit a rough patch..but the real GAINZ come from ALL WEATHER prayer/meditation. It must become a disciplined daily habit just like physical exercise.
think of a child only showing some love/need for the parent when they hit rough patch but when the weather is good then there is not the same affection for the parent, or worse, some rebellion and/or contempt. Now imagine the child who loves and appreciates the parent. Which one is going to be favored more?
and as for suffering, a lot of people get that wrong too, especially this American prosperity gospel nonsense…..in the ORIGINAL ANCIENT lineages of Catholic/Orthodox there is taught that suffering(the cross) is the path to Christ. Suffering can be a spriritual experience…it can make us humble, better…..that doesn't mean that suffering doesn't suck and it's great….but that it can be a kind of spiritual forging process…..and understanding that can help to ease the burden of suffering…..and it can make us more compassionate people….instead of judging the misfortunes of others as some kind of deserved "karma" we can have a compassion for their suffering and observe a kind of holiness in their example
02-27-2024, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted By baldbrah⏩
Dang man you really did your research, got me so good. Please keep them coming.
You believe in invisible sky fairies but ignore the fact that the guy who wrote your scriptures was an insane pe.dophile.
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02-27-2024, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted By theraskal⏩
So you’re saying I could get the same positive result from meditation and it’s got nothing to do with god?
prayer/meditation/devotion is the same as physical exercise. You will experience phases of blissful gains and spiritual droughts. Most people pray when they hit a rough patch..but the real GAINZ come from ALL WEATHER prayer/meditation. It must become a disciplined daily habit just like physical exercise.
think of a child only showing some love/need for the parent when they hit rough patch but when the weather is good then there is not the same affection for the parent, or worse, some rebellion and/or contempt. Now imagine the child who loves and appreciates the parent. Which one is going to be favored more?
and as for suffering, a lot of people get that wrong too, especially this American prosperity gospel nonsense…..in the ORIGINAL ANCIENT lineages of Catholic/Orthodox there is taught that suffering(the cross) is the path to Christ. Suffering can be a spriritual experience…it can make us humble, better…..that doesn't mean that suffering doesn't suck and it's great….but that it can be a kind of spiritual forging process…..and understanding that can help to ease the burden of suffering…..and it can make us more compassionate people….instead of judging the misfortunes of others as some kind of deserved "karma" we can have a compassion for their suffering and observe a kind of holiness in their example
think of a child only showing some love/need for the parent when they hit rough patch but when the weather is good then there is not the same affection for the parent, or worse, some rebellion and/or contempt. Now imagine the child who loves and appreciates the parent. Which one is going to be favored more?
and as for suffering, a lot of people get that wrong too, especially this American prosperity gospel nonsense…..in the ORIGINAL ANCIENT lineages of Catholic/Orthodox there is taught that suffering(the cross) is the path to Christ. Suffering can be a spriritual experience…it can make us humble, better…..that doesn't mean that suffering doesn't suck and it's great….but that it can be a kind of spiritual forging process…..and understanding that can help to ease the burden of suffering…..and it can make us more compassionate people….instead of judging the misfortunes of others as some kind of deserved "karma" we can have a compassion for their suffering and observe a kind of holiness in their example
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