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post 1516479081 08-21-2017, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted By creatinemonstr⏩
Answered above creatinine was high

Got a lot of tests done including cbc cholesterol and more
If you have a decent amount of muscle mass and lift, generally your creatinine will be higher than normal.
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Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja⏩
Stop the creatine and see if anything changes.
Look up what creatine does to creatinine. It's a direct effect.

Do a 24 hour urine test to check kidney function.
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Originally Posted By Realityy⏩
If you have a decent amount of muscle mass and lift, generally your creatinine will be higher than normal.
This too. Most people with muscle will be high. Thus the reason to do the 24 hour urine test to be sure.
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Lol at putting doctors on a pedestal. Fuc them... srs

I had a doctor tell me that the reason i was dying was because i highly likely had Hepatitis C as i had an inflammation of the liver and asked me several times if i was a heroin addict and shared needles, i kept telling them no... and they took blood tests... anyway to cut a long story short... in the process of me dying i said to him / them... "could i have glandular fever as my symptoms match?"... and they were like
"sheeeeit never thought of that!" tested me and it came back positive.

and don't get me started on vets.. i had one tell me that dogs had evolved to not eat raw meat.
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I don't think the supps you listed are the ones you need to worry about fking up your kidneys. Did you tell your doc you're on tech?
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If your doctor is rating you according toaveragehe's already failed. Still, to be most accurate, everybody needs to have a base point value where you're not doing or taking anything.

My earliest pre-workout/supplement records were lost, but I have a close second values at hand, for all future comparisons.
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Originally Posted By ArmbroEcho⏩
OP I take15-20 grams a day of vitamin C, and about 8 grams a day or lysine and proline. Also take zinc, fish. oil, multi, b12, selenium, aspirin, vit E and D, potassium, garlic, and about 5 others.

Now look at my age in my avi.

I just had my blood work done and it was perfect. Even the kidneys when all I have heard from everyone who THINKS they know is taking that much vit C is bad for them. Since starting to take 20 grams a day 5 years ago, which is 20,000% more than the average person gets a day...my skin is amazing, great energy, cholesterol way down, energy way up, and my heart feels awesome. It actually cured my twin bro of his heart disease. All goes back to collagen and inflammation from low grade scurvy as a result of not getting enough vit C.

I get much of my via C Fit pre workout and BCAA mix. 3 grams per dose baby.Average person might only get 100 mgs a day.
Sweet Jesus! I thought i was hardcore taking a gram.

Also i remember a guy on the misc before who took a chit load of viamin c and who said it had cured his brother.... you must have a new username
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Originally Posted By ArmbroEcho⏩
OP I take 15-20 grams a day of vitamin C, and about 8 grams a day or lysine and proline. Also take zinc, fish. oil, multi, b12, selenium, aspirin, vit E and D, potassium, garlic, and about 5 others.

Now look at my age in my avi.

I just had my blood work done and it was perfect. Even the kidneys when all I have heard from everyone who THINKS they know is taking that much vit C is bad for them. Since starting to take 20 grams a day 5 years ago, which is 20,000% more than the average person gets a day...my skin is amazing, great energy, cholesterol way down, energy way up, and my heart feels awesome. It actually cured my twin bro of his heart disease. All goes back to collagen and inflammation from low grade scurvy as a result of not getting enough vit C.

I get much of my via C Fit pre workout and BCAA mix. 3 grams per dose baby.Average person might only get 100 mgs a day.
why the lysine? cold sores? i tried for ebv/chronic fatigue but it made my kidneys hurt noticeably. can confirm mega dose vitamin c is legit.
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Originally Posted By 300BLK⏩
That is A LOT of supplements tho

For one, you should be maxing 5,000 UI of Vitamin D a day, and you take double that amount. Then 10 pills of fish oil? Not to mention all that other stuff. You're literally overdosing, srs.
10,000 is considered to be the safe upper limit (by non-government sources but let's face it, governmental sources are EXTREMELY conservative), your skin makes about 10,000 iu after 30 minutes of full body sun exposure and people with deficiencies are given mega doses. There was even a2011 studywhich looked in to 2 cases of toxicity as a result of errors in manufacturing and labeling. One elderly man consumed1,864,000 IUdaily for 3 months and the other consumed 970,000 IU and they had pretty clear symptoms which I'm sure the OP isn't experiencing otherwise he'd know about it.

OP says his creatinine levels are high... To be expected in somebody consuming high amounts of protein, doing rigorous physical activity and taking creatine as a supplement. Think you'll find most bodybuilders/people who lift/people with decent amounts of mass spend most of their lives with elevated levels only to have every other test come back perfectly normal.

At most OP should consider lowering his protein intake if he's taking a broscience/cell tech users amount and maybe lay off of the creatine (for a while)/10 fish oil pill thing.
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lol'd at 10 fish oil pills

wtf?
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So the only thing high for OP was his creatinine? LMAO. Totally unnecessary thread
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i agree with doc

too much whey protein...and protein from diet
reduce it to 1 scoop

also creatinine to half or quarter

take care op
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Ultimately you need to do what you want to do... Do you feel you should stop taking supps? How do you feel from day to day? Things to ask.
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Stopping most if not all supps

May stop taking whey or reduce to one scoop

Also, I might still keep continuing taking my joint pills

But stopping everything else

Can someone aware me on vitamin c? Seems like it has a lot of benefits

How do u know if u have low vit c

I did cbc and metabolic test and I think
My vitamin c was normal

Do u need to
Supplement vitamin c if normal
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what's the point of all of those supps when you dont even lift
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I could not stop laughing at this thread so much I had to sign up to this forum to reply to you.

Your doctor is right, why would you believe a bunch of fools on the internet over him?!
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Originally Posted By creatinemonstr⏩
Got blood test as usual some stuff was high. Blames it on my lifting supps.

Daily-

Currently I take 2-3 scoops of whey every day
Fish oil- 10 pills
Vitamin d 10,000 ui
Optimen 3 pills
2 joint support pills
Creatine

What should I do Misc? Lower it out or stop all together. He said good night sweet kidneys if I continue

But I also consume a ton of water almost 2.5 gals every day. Usually my pee is always clear but it's been green ever since I stared optimen.
Does your protein have creatine added to it? Do you take the opti-men 3 all at once or do u space it out over the day?
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Take optimen all at once
But now I'm stopping it

And no my protein has no creatine

Also I checked my test it didn't have vitamin c listed

Why didn't they test that

Now I gotta test it?
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relax OP. the doctor is just looking out for you and probably wants you to stop wasting your money on garbage like supplements.
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Originally Posted By creatinemonstr⏩
1.14 once and again 1.13

1.12 is the max range for normal
How much water do you intake normally? If you're on all the sups and high protein diet, probably should up your intake.
Originally Posted By Nicklol⏩
what exactly was too high?
and what kind of blood test was it?
I had a blood test while taking a bunch of stuff and everything was perfect apparently.

and what are the sides of taking too much stuff?
like I take 50mg zinc
2 Now adam muiltivit tablets
5k iu vit d
Tribulus
and arginine
and also 3 whey scoops..

I wonder if that does more harm than good if I have a good diet..
Mostly this, what was high OP and what level was it at? Would also say if you're needing 3 scoops of whey a day you may want to balance in more real food.
Originally Posted By fleeceitout⏩
Lol.

Gotta love the misc. Where some random dude with his shirt off is more qualified to give advice than a trained professional.
They're half right. Most GPs are clueless with respect to lifting and nutrition. Depending on what is high, it's probably just the high protein diet and needing a little more water.
Originally Posted By 300BLK⏩
That is A LOT of supplements tho

For one, you should be maxing 5,000 UI of Vitamin D a day, and you take double that amount. Then 10 pills of fish oil? Not to mention all that other stuff. You're literally overdosing, srs.
Depending on the DHA/EPA content, that may not be the case with fish oil.
Originally Posted By Realityy⏩
If you have a decent amount of muscle mass and lift, generally your creatinine will be higher than normal.
And this.
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Originally Posted By creatinemonstr⏩
Stopping most if not all supps

May stop taking whey or reduce to one scoop

Also, I might still keep continuing taking my joint pills

But stopping everything else

Can someone aware me on vitamin c? Seems like it has a lot of benefits

How do u know if u have low vit c

I did cbc and metabolic test and I think
My vitamin c was normal

Do u need to
Supplement vitamin c if normal
Well you can google but basically a miracle pill. A potent anti-oxidant associated with the elimination of free radicals (the things that wreck your body).

Also, boost your immune system and is water-soluble so no risk of toxicity when taken in mega doses: typically, 2000mg-6000mg/day.
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So I looked through my report and it doesn't say vitamin c at all...

Why didn't they test it
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Vitamin C is not a miracle pill. That is some bullchit Linus Pauling tried to push on people when he started going crazy. Vitamin C certainly serves a lot of useful purposes, and is generally good for you, but any excess is going to be simply pissed away and probably won't be too great for your kidneys in the long run.
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^ but they didn't even test my vitamin c
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Originally Posted By creatinemonstr⏩
Got blood test as usual some stuff was high. Blames it on my lifting supps.

Daily-

Currently I take 2-3 scoops of whey every day
Fish oil- 10 pills
Vitamin d 10,000 ui
Optimen 3 pills
2 joint support pills
Creatine

What should I do Misc? Lower it out or stop all together. He said good night sweet kidneys if I continue

But I also consume a ton of water almost 2.5 gals every day. Usually my pee is always clear but it's been green ever since I stared optimen.
The basic medical/blood tests always show a high creatine level which scares them into thinking that your kidneys are failing and you may need dialysis. Go cold turkey for a month and get them redone.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Vitamin C is not a miracle pill. That is some bullchit Linus Pauling tried to push on people when he started going crazy. Vitamin C certainly serves a lot of useful purposes, and is generally good for you, but any excess is going to be simply pissed away and probably won't be too great for your kidneys in the long run.
Miracle is in the eye of the beholder. If I take it and don't get sick and you do, I'm satisfied it works well enough for me. No flu shot necessary.
Originally Posted By creatinemonstr⏩
^ but they didn't even test my vitamin c
The test for what's relevant. If you needed it, you'd know it.
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Originally Posted By DrDescartes⏩
I'm not actually a doctor (in pharmacy school), but creatinine will be elevated in people with increased muscle mass. It's a product of muscle metabolism. Increased levels can either mean 1) your kidney function is poor or 2) you have a lot of muscle metabolism (increased muscle mass).

Just what exactly was your serum creatinine, if you have it on hand?
or 3) there's additional substances that are impairing tubular secretion of creatinine (e.g. Bactrim). There's the pharmacy correlate for you.

I'm an actual doctor and I can confirm this. Similarly, people who are paralyzed or are missing limbs tend to have lower serum creatinine because they have less muscle mass. Creatinine is a decent surrogate for kidney function.

OP, I've never evaluated you so I can't interpret your kidney numbers. Could some other supplements be causing kidney damage? Sure. The supplement industry in the US in under flimsy regulations so while there are reputable supplement companies other putting out quality products, there are others out there with more shady business practices.

It may be worthy to get a second opinion from another doctor who has more experience with lifters.
Originally Posted By creatinemonstr⏩
1.14 once and again 1.13

1.12 is the max range for normal
Over how long were these two measurements taken? If you had progressive kidney damage, that number should be going up over time. Even if you have normal creatinine numbers, there are other markers that may suggest kidney damage such as protein in your urine. Even if you consume a high protein diet, your kidneys are supposed to be able to filter proteins from entering the urine.

The other thing is that reference ranges are established by finding an upper and lower limit that encompasses a 95% of the population in the "normal range". Since you're a lifter, some of your numbers may fall slightly out of the range. From a reference range point of view, your numbers are barely high and a lab error is all that is needed to put you in and out of range.

Numbers are one thing. Correlating them with the patient's presentation is another.
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1.13 isn't bad, I see a top nephrologist in the country in Chicago and mine was slightly elevated during testing (have kidney stones). She said she sees it often for people who lift weights as a normal process of muscle breakdown and rebuild. The vitamin d should be like 5k a day unless your really low. Just keep an eye on it .
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Fix your diet instead of adding low quality supplements to fill in the voids. Add in broc****/kale/oranges if you want vit c


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