I see. I suppose dyslexia can be hard to deal with as a math teacher

That's what the IQ system was developed for and it correlates, although not well since wealth is distributed by pareto and IQ is normal distribution.

Sure, you can say you know lazy smart people, but all the "lazy smart people" I know still ended up making above median income by middle age. How many 40 yo people do you know that make 35k a year that you would consider smart? That's median individual income, not average. Most have worked into some sort of 50k/yr position. There are going to be outliers, but no one is claiming perfection. We just have to understand the original intent and purpose of the test as a simple social metric for evaluating populations, like BMI. Chit for the individual, good for the group.

You just made a very interesting jump straight from success to wealth as if they were the exact same thing.

A real IQ test takes a long time and costs a lot of money. I did one a couple years ago. Took an afternoon to do

Just keeping things grounded with what the test was meant for. I stated success in my other post, but you cannot generalize success in a way that everyone will agree with.

No I would say things that you learn in business school are more likely to help you out with things that have to do with doing well in life and just generally doing things that make money and some of those things don't always mean that you have to be very smart there's lots of ways you can make a lot of money without being very spatially aware or conceptually able to do certain complex things that IQ tests test.

For example if they're trying give you a test of "these three shapes are a pattern and what does this fourth thing do?" and you do really well at stuff like that and you are fast... It does not have anything to do with your ability to be an accountant for a company for them you can just take time and figure things out systematically.

but the high IQ person can just figure out think that way really fast and intuitively; that is why there is a timed element to these tests --but it doesn't necessarily mean they choose to spend their time doing stuff like that

There is a correlation with being able to conceptualize such things and processing power, that's what they're trying to measure; for example being good at video games would make you A better IQ test taker then being a good working person for a company

Lol @ people in this thread implying us smart ass people don't know we are smart. When you are the top grade in every class without even trying how would you not notice your intelligence?

I say it every time this type of thread pops up. Intelligence is just a multiplier for hard work. It's talent. Just like athletic ability there are plenty of super talented people who don't make it pro or whatever because they don't have the motivation/discipline/focus to work their asses off to accomplish a long-term goal that is important to them. Lots of super smart people realize that the rat race/egotism of our consumerist society is BS and tune out instead of trying to achieve success at the expense of their happiness. Or they're just lazy.

Yes, people can learn skills to increase income. However, if they didn't have the capacity to learn those skills, then they wouldn't be able to earn the income 80% to 99% of the time. Arguing from exception doesn't make sense when antagonizing a test meant for comparison against general populations. I'm not advocating the test's complete and absolute accuracy; I am saying stating it's not accurate for everyone is a foregone conclusion from the start.

People seem to way overestimate the way these simple IQ-type pattern recognition questions measure intelligence. Everything hinges on definition of intelligence of course, but I just find this to be a poor measure. Some major facets of intelligence include creativity, memory, and deep logical deduction, which arent emphasized on such tests.

For example, I would consider someone to bemuchmore intelligent than what any IQ-type test could measure, if they could prove something like: "How come only 6 colors are needed to properly color any map, such that no two bordering countries share the same color?",without looking it up. This is an actual complex question that involves deep deduction. It is also something you could theoretically figure out without any complex, higher mathematics. Even a better question (though harder), would be replacing that 6 with 5. Best of all would be replacing the 6 with 4, but this will simply not be answered (it took some extremely brilliant guys to figure that out with the help of a computer). Or heck, as another example....if someone couldprovePythagoras's theorem a^2+b^2 = c^2 for right triangles, again, without looking it up = way better indicator of intelligence in my opinion than any IQ test.

Defining intelligence as pure processing power? Eh idk. May as well just make an IQ test how well you do at a particular video game, if we are just after raw processing power. Or make it how fast you can multiply 27-digit numbers in your head. Would people be satisfied if IQ tests were literally this? You just sit in a room and they see how fast you can multiply huge numbers? This is not necessarily a good measure of intelligence, at least in my book. There's a reason those so-called "math savants/prodigies" who can multiply huge numbers, remember the first ten thousand digits of pi, or figure out if large numbers are prime arent taken that seriously by the mathematics community.....it's neat tricks and processing speed, but not necessarily a great measure of intelligence. Intelligence seems to be so much deeper.

Given all of the recent experts on medicine, politics, and sociology, I thought this thread needed to be re-awakened.

Every medium article script kiddie is an epidemiologist nowYou've never been around academia, law or investment banking have you?

Lol.

I went to college. As far as my profession, I am a teacher, but I'm guessing you're not referring to elementary school as academia.

Liar

I don't lie on here srs.

I do love science fiction though.

The Martian Chronicles
Ender's Game
Battlefield Earth
A Princess of Mars
Brave New World
Star Trek TNG

Are all long time favorites of mine.

Can confirm, felt 10 iq points smarter when I was 205 lbs and running 3 miles everyday.

Im 250 lbs and sub 60 iq again unfortunately due to lack of cardio and sleep apnea

What is intelligence?

In education, we talk a lot about Howard Gardner's Theory of Multiple Intelligences, which essentially states that there are different modes of intelligence ranging from Musical-Rhythmic to Verbal to Athletic (and more).

Teachers use that information to inform how they differentiate instruction for different types of learners in the classroom.

But I always thought that it was fascinating to think about the different types of genius, which is something I always thought a lot about anyway.

It's easy to see that someone like Donald Trump is a genius when it comes to using his verbal abilities to persuade and Ed Can was a genius in terms of understanding how to use his body to lift weights and how Eminem (a guy who couldn't pass 9th grade after three attempts) clearly exhibits musical and verbal genius. So really, it's on the education system to explain why a genius of that level didn't learn chit from them.

IQ is a worthless metric. Got a CS degree from a top tier school with a gutter IQ. Srs.

Tenacity >>>>>>>>>>> IQ

I'll take a guy with the willpower of a miscer trying to get with a tranny over some herp derp that knows how to pass a test.

What if I told you it's possible to possess both?

I follow.

It seems to me that your thoughts can exist alongside Gardner's, as long as you can extend your understanding of mental models to include various different modes of Gardner's intelligences.

Otherwise I think it would limit the scope of intelligence too narrowly.

What is with this trope?

Investment bankers don't 'brag about IQ' - and using 'investment banking' (a very broad phrase) is a vague predicate anyway. You think someone in say, high risk investment guidance in a hedge fund gives one iota about 'IQ'?

They care about one thing and one thing only, and it's not IQ.

On the more general point: anyone who resorts to claims of IQ is already in the realm of cope.

Side note: How are you NVious? How is your day going?

Yep, Gardner's classification is excellent, I guess we can also include EI.

I would also work in things like Hexaco, Myers Briggs and personality tests.

A stack I'd go:
40% mine (it actually quantifies things more)
20% Gardner
20% self analysis
20% EI

My favorite analogy is relating IQ to horsepower in a car. High hp does not equal a fast car. You need traction, favorable weight, some degree of reliability and workmanship, a good driver, etc to have a fast car. Without supporting factors IQ isn't that useful.

High IQ doesn't mean high accomplishment, integrity, discipline, etc. There are many high IQ people homeless, in mental hospitals, and toiling in minimum wage jobs.

I think it's a subjective term that is fairly overrated, especially on this board.

In my post you quoted, I gave an example of something I would associate with intelligence. But my definition will be different than someone else's, particularly popular measures of intelligence you see in the field of psychology. Some things that IQ-type tests don't stress as much are memory, creativity, long and involved chains of logical deduction, and carefulness (this last aspect very important in a subject like math). Math is not synonymous nor the end-all with intelligence by any means.....but there is a reason it is associated with the term more than, say, skill at baseball. If someone proved Riemann's Hypothesis, I'd say "hey, that guy is smart". I don't usually say "hey, look how smart he is" after a baseball player just hit a home run. The term in general though is subjective.

So what is intelligence?

don't know bout high iq, but i know an low iqer simp when i see one and its you OP

From the op, it seems to me like op thinks he´s smarter than he really is.

Personally I know my iq is high, and yes sometimes I brag about it, nothing wrong with that. Maybe, I think I am smarter than I really am, but all the iq tests in the world put me well above the average. My IQ in some areas is not that high, but it´s pretty high in other areas. Verbal, spacial, musical etc, several different types of intellegence.


I can usually spot a low iq individual and a low iq post from a mile away, but not always tho.

My friend has a MENSA tier iq, up in the 99 percentile, and he brags about it sometimes.