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Thread: 17 year old has legal assisted suicide for PTSD

post 1581433881 06-04-2019, 02:07 PM
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How can people be against the death penalty but be for this?
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post 1581434991 06-04-2019, 02:19 PM
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Liberal insanity. We're talking about a child not some 60+ year old whose life is over living with severe chronic pain.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
If we're using mental illness as a justification for terminating life, then I guess we should just solve the homeless problem in most cities this same way? Come on.

There are lots of people who have experienced insanely difficult things early in life and had wildly successful, positive stories. If we're using PTSD as criteria for being incurable, then what, half the people who ever see live combat are just doomed too?

At 17 there's legitimately a high percentage of people who consider suicide after breakups with their boyfriend. Not minimizing her situation. I'm just saying nobody at that age can accurately analyze or control their emotions.
Nobody here has the full perspective on what criteria they used, but I have no doubt this is hugely different from a hormonal teenager dealing with post-breakup blues. This girl had already attempted suicide, and her anorexia had previously left her in a medically-induced coma. Would you want to live like that? I wouldn't.

Saying "oh she just needed some counseling" seems ignorant, we can't even conceive the psychological turmoil she was dealing with. And if someone in that position wants to end their suffering -- and medical professionals agree it's the best course of action -- then they should have that option.


This article does a far better job of explaining the full situation (translate to English):

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post 1581439251 06-04-2019, 03:18 PM
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y'all acting like you know what it's like to have been molested when you were 11 and 12 raped by two men when you were 14.

i can't speak for her. but i watched my mom pass away from cancer when I was 10 and that ****ed me harder mentally and psychologically than anything even to this day when i'm 26. my mind is permanently warped. so... what she went through is probably so much worse. it's not a one time deal. she probably has been waking up and sleeping thinking about being raped everyday since it happened. unable to focus on anything except being raped. can't focus at school. can't focus when someone talks to her. etc. she's permanently stuck in that moment. that was me when my mom passed away. i was a mute for 7-10+ years. my brother is still a mute at age 28. so her suffering was probably like 10x worse.
Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
https://www.foxnews.com/world/dutch-...tim-euthanasia

This is where all the anti-life, pro-abortion culture ultimately heads. This girl needed some counseling and ends up getting the green light (even from her family) to kill herself.
OP counseling doesn't do jack ****. I went through it all lol.

I guarantee she was perma-****ed mentally after what happened, because I definitely am.
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post 1581439531 06-04-2019, 03:23 PM
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I wouldn't say she killed herself. I'd say the person that raped her killed her.
post 1581439601 06-04-2019, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted By Slurgie⏩
I wouldn't say she killed herself. I'd say the person that raped her killed her.
Was also going to post something to this effect. They should be held accountable for her death, they may as well have put a gun to her head
post 1581439691 06-04-2019, 03:27 PM
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post 1581439851 06-04-2019, 03:29 PM
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The main point is that she at least had the potential to get better as opposed to someone with terminal cancer and I believe that potential should be protected as much as possible. There are tons of people who would have thrown in the towel if there was an available option yet go on to lead otherwise fulfilling and useful lives. Things may have never been the same for her but things do eventually get better if even in the slightest amount.
post 1581440031 06-04-2019, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted By ahox⏩
Things may have never been the same for her but things do eventually get better if even in the slightest amount.
not true
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post 1581440371 06-04-2019, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted By DassItMan⏩
a religious restriction on it is the only thing holding me back at this point
How much counselling/therapy have you had?
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post 1581440471 06-04-2019, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted By 2RDEYE⏩
not true
It is true for some people, and for others it's not.

Some people find a good counsellor/therapist who can help them, whilst others don't.
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post 1581440601 06-04-2019, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted By 2RDEYE⏩
not true
It is obviously going to take a great deal of effort which will vary from person to person. Believing things will get better is at least the first step. What she went through was horrible but people have been through way worse and have come through the other side so you have to account for those people as well.
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source : fox news.


strong fail.



she refused to eat and drink.


this has nothing to due with euthanasia.


she was admitted to hospital severely underweight and her organs were failing.


in order to force feed her the doctors would need court order.

they gave her pain medication cause it was already too late and she passed away.


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real source.

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What's stopping her from swallowing a bunch of pills/pointing a gun at her head?
post 1581442851 06-04-2019, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Carbonfibre⏩
source : fox news.


strong fail.



she refused to eat and drink.


this has nothing to due with euthanasia.


she was admitted to hospital severely underweight and her organs were failing.


in order to force feed her the doctors would need court order.

they gave her pain medication cause it was already too late and she passed away.


..........
real source.

also learn dutch you twat.

https://www.gelderlander.nl/home/noa...even~a01a7bd1/
You mean Fox News lied to us?!
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post 1581443361 06-04-2019, 04:36 PM
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post 1581454861 06-04-2019, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
People in here are acting like Holland is euthanizing people willy nilly. Be real guys, they're following strict criteria for this chit, and I'm not going to argue another person's case when they, a doctor, and their family have all agreed that the person is dealing with unbearable suffering and there's no resolution in sight
Actually, in the Netherlands they ignore their own law. Euthanasia of infants is illegal, but they have agreed not to prosecute it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groningen_Protocol

Belgium has likewise euthanased children, but in their case the law explicitly allows it. Belgium also euthanases incontinent elderly people, and has euthanased an elderly person with dementiawithoutthat patient's consent, since they were unable to give it. This means they had to hold a distressed elderly person down while giving them a lethal injection.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-old-youngest/

In any case, just because strict protocols arefolloweddoes not mean the protocols aregood.

It is worth remembering that the Nazi genocide programme began with the euthanasia of an suffering infantat the parents' request.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Kretschmar

Later, of course, this led to euthanasia of severely disabled children and adultsagainsttheir parents' wishes, quite often while the host institution continued collecting the disability pension for the child or adult. Being as they were a totalitarian regime the Nazis were inherently corrupt and would pervert anything they touched. Nonetheless it shows where things can go, if they are not watched carefully.
post 1581455031 06-04-2019, 08:31 PM
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If someone wants to kill themselves, we should offer all the encouragement and resources to make that possible.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
If you support the death penalty you shut up your face right now.
I'm against capital punishmentandeuthanasia, but as others have said, they are different issues. There's a difference between someone who hascausedsuffering and someone whoissuffering.
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Originally Posted By azzspankr⏩
Rape and molestation have to be one of the worst kinds of personal intrusion however condoning and aiding in someones suicide is tragic and disgusting. It's sickening to think people think that's ok.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
1. Strawman: nowhere did anyone say anything about using mental health as justification for terminating life. You made that up.

2. Show me one link that supports the idea mental health conditions are a significant contributing factor to homelessness. You made that up.

3. No one is suggesting PTSD is incurable or untreatable. You made that up.

4. 17 year olds are super edgy, so I’ll give you that.
1. Anorexia and depression are mental health issues and here were used to justify a doctor assisting in ending a life.

2. This is an insane point to debate. Anyone who has ever lived near Los Angeles knows how big of role mental health plays in homelessness. They have shelters upon shelters here and people do not want to use them or their services because they are not mentally well. I don't even have the energy to debate this- mental illness and drug use are almost exclusively the two causes for sustained homelessness in 2019 in America.

3. I agree it's curable. But if PTSD is curable, why is it a justifiable reason for assisted suicide?
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Originally Posted By KyleAaron⏩
Actually, in the Netherlands they ignore their own law. Euthanasia of infants is illegal, but they have agreed not to prosecute it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groningen_Protocol

Belgium has likewise euthanased children, but in their case the law explicitly allows it. Belgium also euthanases incontinent elderly people, and has euthanased an elderly person with dementiawithoutthat patient's consent, since they were unable to give it. This means they had to hold a distressed elderly person down while giving them a lethal injection.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-old-youngest/

In any case, just because strict protocols arefolloweddoes not mean the protocols aregood.

It is worth remembering that the Nazi genocide programme began with the euthanasia of an suffering infantat the parents' request.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Kretschmar

Later, of course, this led to euthanasia of severely disabled children and adultsagainsttheir parents' wishes, quite often while the host institution continued collecting the disability pension for the child or adult. Being as they were a totalitarian regime the Nazis were inherently corrupt and would pervert anything they touched. Nonetheless it shows where things can go, if they are not watched carefully.
A quick read of Belgium’s stance is that euthanasia of infants/children has been happening behind closed doors regardless, but they’d rather everything be on the surface and thoroughly vetted. So the very intent is to ensure this stuff is open to scrutiny. I can buy into that perspective and have faith that the organizations / individuals involved are doing everything they can to ensure things are watched closely

As long as those controls and checks are in place, I have no problem with euthanasia
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Euthanasia should be legal. Nobody asked to be born on this joke of a planet.
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Originally Posted By azzspankr⏩
Rape and molestation have to be one of the worst kinds of personal intrusion however condoning and aiding in someones suicide is tragic and disgusting. It's sickening to think people think that's ok.
Rape and molestation are horrible crimes, but for the sake of argument, it's worth noting that they've happened (A LOT) since the dawn of our species. The normal victim response is not to spiral into suicidal depression. This case is far more medically complex than "she was sad because she got raped."
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Its horrible what happened, but unless your terminally ill or suffering from a chronic illness and want to end life on your terms i cant see how its allowed. Mental illness as result of trauma i don't think is the same as being terminally ill with cancer or other horrible conditions as one is that of the brain while the other is actual, physical illness ie. you cant die of being mentally ill in itself but a brain tumour you can and euthanasia to reduce end of life suffering in this case is justified.
Call me ignorant but yeah I cant help but feel having the option makes it more appealing to the mentally ill who may have alternatively been sectioned for mental instability or given proper treatment.
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