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7-11 clerk stabs shoplifter to death. Charged with murder
10-02-2020, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted By niospecv⏩
Also don’t murder.Actions have consequences. Don't steal.
That has consequences too.
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
Stealing is a crime, a crime that should result in public executions.I mean....yeah if a guy steals a slurpie you can't chase him down in a parking lot and murder him.
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10-02-2020, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted By Sterilite⏩
FOB asians are the most shameless racists. They will follow a black person around the store like a shadow. They give 0 fukks, even though they set up shop in all black neighborhoods.Most likely an Indian clerk that also has an investment in the 7-11. They are the most wary of blacks stealing whenever they enter the store based on my experience.
10-02-2020, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
I know it makes you feel better to sweep this under the rug as “lol wagecells defending big business”, but do some critical thinking.Lol at minimum wagecels engaging in mortal combat for enormous corporations.
I’m not defending the thief at all (which you guys would love to assert, because dialectic thinking), but why? For 7-11? You gonna save them from being ruined? You gonna get in a life threatening physical altercation for this company that doesn’t even know you exist?
I’m not defending the thief at all (which you guys would love to assert, because dialectic thinking), but why? For 7-11? You gonna save them from being ruined? You gonna get in a life threatening physical altercation for this company that doesn’t even know you exist?
7-11 has a franchise model. Foreign owners usually have their relatives serving as clerks (who have a share in the business as well). We don’t know know many of the facts here, so we don’t know if that is undeniably the case in this circumstance, but it seems likely, given all the circumstantial facts.
These places have to deal with incessant petty theft, it compounds overtime and cuts into their (already slim) margins (especially when there is jack **** enforcement against theft from our police, providing no deterrence to this type of behavior, which effectively encourages more of it).
Was it a smart move in hindsight? Clearly not. But if he had a vested interest in this store, it is a completely understandable, evolutionarily-embedded human reaction to feel angry and want to defend your property/set an example by chasing down a thief.
10-02-2020, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted By DanishDynamite2⏩
Plus Dana White will give him a job now.Was it a smart move in hindsight? Clearly not. But if he had a vested interest in this store, it is a completely understandable, evolutionarily-embedded human reaction to feel angry and want to defend your property/set an example by chasing down a thief.
10-02-2020, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted By BobLoblawBrah⏩
You know god damn well he wasn’t starving, don’t rationalize scummy behavior.ITT 30yo's who's mom's still buy their groceries think stealing to eat is a death sentence.
The clerk turned defense into offense real quick, and committed an offence. Also manslaughter is not murder OP.
Provocation may lower the sentence but killing thieves is likely not 7-11 nationwide policy.
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The clerk turned defense into offense real quick, and committed an offence. Also manslaughter is not murder OP.
Provocation may lower the sentence but killing thieves is likely not 7-11 nationwide policy.
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10-02-2020, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted By Suit⏩
Racism.Why didn't he have a job/income to pay for things?
10-02-2020, 04:32 PM
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I'm assuming the guy wasn't "murdered over a stolen sandwich"
That would imply the clerk ran after they guy and immediately shot/stabbed him, without even giving the perp a chance to give the stuff back.
I bet the clerk chased after him and then demanded his property back, then the perp got aggressive. I don't know what the laws are, but someone has the moral right to chase after a thief and demand property back. If the criminal gets aggressive, then thats self defense boyo
Also, nobody is saying that thievery is as bad as murder. But its still very harmful to society and needs to be dealt with. Perhaps the first offence should be a really light punishment, and then quickly increases with repeat offences. Read about the guy who got a life sentence in prison for stealing a pair of hedge clippers. It was his tenth felony so a "habitual offender" rule kicked in.
That would imply the clerk ran after they guy and immediately shot/stabbed him, without even giving the perp a chance to give the stuff back.
I bet the clerk chased after him and then demanded his property back, then the perp got aggressive. I don't know what the laws are, but someone has the moral right to chase after a thief and demand property back. If the criminal gets aggressive, then thats self defense boyo
Also, nobody is saying that thievery is as bad as murder. But its still very harmful to society and needs to be dealt with. Perhaps the first offence should be a really light punishment, and then quickly increases with repeat offences. Read about the guy who got a life sentence in prison for stealing a pair of hedge clippers. It was his tenth felony so a "habitual offender" rule kicked in.
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10-02-2020, 04:46 PM
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As someone who worked way too long in retail the emphasis is usually on prevention, not apprehension. Stopping and detaining someone opens a store up to a lot of potential hassle that is generally more trouble than it is worth.
Sure you can detain someone for a petty theft, but the legal costs are likely to be way more that the value of the item that was stolen. The cases where a loss prevention team will decide it is worth it usually involve a shoplifter that makes multiple hits, or a professional ring of some kind. And then they will probably build a case with camera footage.
Sure you can detain someone for a petty theft, but the legal costs are likely to be way more that the value of the item that was stolen. The cases where a loss prevention team will decide it is worth it usually involve a shoplifter that makes multiple hits, or a professional ring of some kind. And then they will probably build a case with camera footage.
Search and Detention of Shoplifters
As should go without saying, the manner of the detention and the conduct of any searches of a suspect create the possibility of a claim of mistreatment or misconduct.
PHYSICAL CONTACT
Stores should be very careful about what physical contact is permitted between its loss prevention staff and a suspected shoplifter, whether in relation to the force used to stop a suspected shoplifter from leaving the premises or parking lot, or in whether, how and where any subsequent search is to be performed and who conducts the search.
Stores have faced significant liability following accusations of excessive force in their detention of shoplifters, including wrongful death claims where a suspect has passed away during an encounter with LPs or a forcible detention.
SEARCHES
For a search of a suspect's person, it will often be most appropriate to wait for a police officer to arrive and perform any search. Care must be taken to avoid accusations of sexual misconduct.
MISIDENTIFICATION
The most common reasons that store might be sued for wrongful detention of a shoplifter relate to a store's carelessness in identifying and accusing the suspect. That is, the store's employees fail to properly observe acts that create reasonable suspicion of shoplifting, unreasonably detain somebody without sufficient evidence of criminal activity, or continue to detain a person who they no longer suspect of shoplifting.
For example, a customer might enter the store and have what a loss prevention officer (LP) believes to be store merchandise in her purse or pocket, but when detained it turns out that the item isn't even carried in the store's inventory. The LP is unlikely to be able to substantiate that he followed proper procedures to create probable cause for the detention.
REFUSING TO CONCEDE ERROR
An LP can worsen the situation by continuing to insist that the customer stole merchandise and refusing to release her, even though his stated reason for stopping her has proved to be a mistake.
In one noteworthy case, a minor was in a store with friends who were caught shoplifting. All of the minors were detained, but upon review of the evidence and surveillance tapes the first minor was determined not to be involved. The police, summoned by the store, also reviewed the evidence and concurred with that finding. The store issued a civil demand to the minor they had already determined to be uninvolved, and attempted to have the minor prosecuted when the demand was ignored. The store ended up having to pay a substantial amount of money based on theories of malicious prosecution and extortion.
EXTORTION
A retailer may create problems for itself if it presents a civil demand to a suspected shoplifter and indicates that they won't charge the shoplifter if the amount of money they demand is paid on the spot. Where the accusation against the shoplifter is weak or made in error, the store may find itself sued for extortion and wrongful detention.
https://www.expertlaw.com/library/se...oplifting.htmlAs should go without saying, the manner of the detention and the conduct of any searches of a suspect create the possibility of a claim of mistreatment or misconduct.
PHYSICAL CONTACT
Stores should be very careful about what physical contact is permitted between its loss prevention staff and a suspected shoplifter, whether in relation to the force used to stop a suspected shoplifter from leaving the premises or parking lot, or in whether, how and where any subsequent search is to be performed and who conducts the search.
Stores have faced significant liability following accusations of excessive force in their detention of shoplifters, including wrongful death claims where a suspect has passed away during an encounter with LPs or a forcible detention.
SEARCHES
For a search of a suspect's person, it will often be most appropriate to wait for a police officer to arrive and perform any search. Care must be taken to avoid accusations of sexual misconduct.
MISIDENTIFICATION
The most common reasons that store might be sued for wrongful detention of a shoplifter relate to a store's carelessness in identifying and accusing the suspect. That is, the store's employees fail to properly observe acts that create reasonable suspicion of shoplifting, unreasonably detain somebody without sufficient evidence of criminal activity, or continue to detain a person who they no longer suspect of shoplifting.
For example, a customer might enter the store and have what a loss prevention officer (LP) believes to be store merchandise in her purse or pocket, but when detained it turns out that the item isn't even carried in the store's inventory. The LP is unlikely to be able to substantiate that he followed proper procedures to create probable cause for the detention.
REFUSING TO CONCEDE ERROR
An LP can worsen the situation by continuing to insist that the customer stole merchandise and refusing to release her, even though his stated reason for stopping her has proved to be a mistake.
In one noteworthy case, a minor was in a store with friends who were caught shoplifting. All of the minors were detained, but upon review of the evidence and surveillance tapes the first minor was determined not to be involved. The police, summoned by the store, also reviewed the evidence and concurred with that finding. The store issued a civil demand to the minor they had already determined to be uninvolved, and attempted to have the minor prosecuted when the demand was ignored. The store ended up having to pay a substantial amount of money based on theories of malicious prosecution and extortion.
EXTORTION
A retailer may create problems for itself if it presents a civil demand to a suspected shoplifter and indicates that they won't charge the shoplifter if the amount of money they demand is paid on the spot. Where the accusation against the shoplifter is weak or made in error, the store may find itself sued for extortion and wrongful detention.
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
AgreedThe world would be a better place if you could though.
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
What do you think he brought the box cutter along forThis is the problem, we let thieves prosper, we need to start cutting off fingers for offenses.
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a boxcutter killed him through the stomach?
did he shove the whole thing in him???????
did he shove the whole thing in him???????
10-03-2020, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
I think (at least some form of) direct apprehension is a good form of prevention as well though. Unless you’re in a massive tourist destination or thoroughway, if you’re locally known as a store that goes after (or at least hassles) shoplifters, fewer of them will come into your store.As someone who worked way too long in retail the emphasis is usually on prevention, not apprehension. Stopping and detaining someone opens a store up to a lot of potential hassle that is generally more trouble than it is worth.
Sure you can detain someone for a petty theft, but the legal costs are likely to be way more that the value of the item that was stolen.
Sure you can detain someone for a petty theft, but the legal costs are likely to be way more that the value of the item that was stolen.
10-03-2020, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted By NeonGenesis10⏩
This point continues to go over peoples headsNo one was stabbed to death for stealing a twinky.
Someone was stabbed to death after getting confronted with stealing a twinky, as they got violent and tried to attack the person confronting them for stealing the twinkie.
Someone was stabbed to death after getting confronted with stealing a twinky, as they got violent and tried to attack the person confronting them for stealing the twinkie.
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Originally Posted By PassiveLearner⏩
Yep, its like when something like this happens:This point continues to go over peoples heads
Guy litters in a park by tossing a plastic water bottle in the bush
Cop sees, walks over to write guy a ticket
Guy gets aggressive
Cop doesn't back down
Guy reaches for cop's gun
Cop shoots guy
Liberals: "OMG apparently black men get the death penalty for littering now!!! hurr durr racism"
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31 years old and stealing slurpies and junk food??.. Don't know all the details but man =/ The guy could of went to his local foodbank/shelters and received a hot meal multiple times throughout the day free.
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Originally Posted By SaviorSelfJT⏩
you could write articles for CNNYep, its like when something like this happens:
Guy litters in a park by tossing a plastic water bottle in the bush
Cop sees, walks over to write guy a ticket
Guy gets aggressive
Cop doesn't back down
Guy reaches for cop's gun
Cop shoots guy
Liberals: "OMG apparently black men get the death penalty for littering now!!! hurr durr racism"
Guy litters in a park by tossing a plastic water bottle in the bush
Cop sees, walks over to write guy a ticket
Guy gets aggressive
Cop doesn't back down
Guy reaches for cop's gun
Cop shoots guy
Liberals: "OMG apparently black men get the death penalty for littering now!!! hurr durr racism"
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