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Originally Posted By I3igAl
Internet fans are such low IQ sheep. Making adaptions as faithful as possible will just end up making horrible films, if it's a different medium. People, who rage about characters not looking exactly the same as their source material, just don't know much about movies.
Harrison Ford was way better looking, than the novel version of Blade Runner and the movie pretty damn good. Race-changing Velma or having them wear more normal clothing won't make much of a difference to Scooby Doo at all.

It only becomes problematic, when changes in race or looks, have to change said character's personality or background as well. An Indian Velma can still be the dorky smart member of the group. It's only problematic, when it doesn't fit the story anymore. A black Anne Boleyn is a blatant example. The black Ariel also seems suspect in what was originally a danish Fairy Tail, but it could be worked in somehow, by clever worldbuilding and adapting the entire culture of those Merpeople. A black James Bond would be difficult due to the guy's snobby upperclassness.

In general making something new out of the source material is not bad. Stanley Kubrick basically butchered Steven King's novel to make The Shining and what we got was so much greater than the original book.

It's a new adaption, not a cosplay. Their job is not to look the same as the source material, OP. That's just being stupid.
I disagree.

You cannot deviate to such a degree with source material.

If you want to make a black or female James Bond - then get a damn competent writer/story teller, write the damn thing, call it something else, adapt it into a movie and so on. Why the hell piggy back on James Bond lol.

Hell i dont even care if the writer is lazy and legit just steals the idea and concept of James Bond, just dont ****in change the Actual character, no matter how much it doesnt fit with the times or whatever agenda there is atm.
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Originally Posted By LurkoLantern
And of course, the single most egregious example. Where hollywood spit all over the source material

Witcher, with Yennifer on the left and Triss in the middle
The actress who played Yennifer did a great job. Practically everyone I've seen says that she was great.

I get your point though.
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Originally Posted By I3igAl
Internet fans are such low IQ sheep. Making adaptions as faithful as possible will just end up making horrible films, if it's a different medium. People, who rage about characters not looking exactly the same as their source material, just don't know much about movies.
Harrison Ford was way better looking, than the novel version of Blade Runner and the movie pretty damn good. Race-changing Velma or having them wear more normal clothing won't make much of a difference to Scooby Doo at all.

It only becomes problematic, when changes in race or looks, have to change said character's personality or background as well. An Indian Velma can still be the dorky smart member of the group. It's only problematic, when it doesn't fit the story anymore. A black Anne Boleyn is a blatant example. The black Ariel also seems suspect in what was originally a danish Fairy Tail, but it could be worked in somehow, by clever worldbuilding and adapting the entire culture of those Merpeople. A black James Bond would be difficult due to the guy's snobby upperclassness.

In general making something new out of the source material is not bad. Stanley Kubrick basically butchered Steven King's novel to make The Shining and what we got was so much greater than the original book.

It's a new adaption, not a cosplay. Their job is not to look the same as the source material, OP. That's just being stupid.
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For the sake of balance a partial list of movies where white guys played characters that were originally non-white (list was written in 2016, so no recent examples):


“The Passion of the Christ,” 2004: White guy Jim Caviezel played Jesus.


“World Trade Center,” 2006: William Mapother played Marine Sargeant Thomas, one of the men who helped rescue two Port Authority Police Officers from the rubble of the World Trade Center. In real life, Thomas is black; Mapother is white.

Angelina Jolie in “A Mighty Heart” (AP Photo/Paramount Vantage/Peter Mountain)
“A Mighty Heart,” 2007: Angelina Jolie played Mariane Pearl, the wife of kidnapped journalist Daniel Pearl. Pearl is a French-born woman of Afro-Cuban descent; Jolie appeared to darken her skin and alter her hair for the role.

“Stuck,” 2007: Mena Suvari played Brandi Boski, a character clearly based on Chante Mallard, who is black in real life. There might have been some plausible deniability here, if not for the decision to put Suvari’s blonde hair in cornrows.

“30 Days of Night,” 2007: Josh Hartnett played Eben Oleson, a character who was of Inuit descent in the original comic book series.

“I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry,” 2007: Rob Schneider appeared as “Asian Minister.”

Mike Myers (center) in “The Love Guru”
“The Love Guru,” 2008: Canadian Mike Myers played the supposedly Indian Guru Pitka (and “Young Pitka,” and “Teenage Pitka”) in this comedy. He skipped the brownface but went for an elaborate brown beard. You know who wasn’t miscast in this movie? The Deepak Chopra character, who was played by Deepak Chopra.

“21,” 2008: Virtually every actor in this movie was racially miscast. The nearly all-white cast was composed of Kevin Spacey, Jim Sturgess and Jacob Pitts, among others, but almost everyone involved in the real-life card-counting scheme that inspired the movie was of Asian descent.

“Dragonball: Evolution,” 2009: Justin Chatwin, a white Canadian actor, played main character Goku, who was Japanese in the original manga on which the movie was based.

“Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince,” 2009: Here’s a head-scratcher: in the early Harry Potter movies, Lavender Brown was a Gryffindor student who appeared onscreen a few times but doesn’t have a huge role. In those early movies, she was played by black British actresses: Kathleen Cauley in “Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets” and Jennifer Smith in “Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.” But before Lavender Brown’s part became a speaking role in “Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince,” filmmakers held an open casting call for the part, and they replaced Smith with Jessie Cave, a blonde, British tap-dancer.

“Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time,” 2010: In a widely mocked casting decision, Jake Gyllenhall was tapped to play Dastan, the aforementioned prince.

Max Minghella (Matt Sayles/AP)
“The Social Network,” 2010: Max Minghella played Divya Narendra, who was one of the creators of HarvardConnection, a predecessor to ********. Minghella is a British actor of Chinese and European descent; Narendra is Indian American.

“Avatar: The Last Airbender,” 2010: In the anime series that inspired this movie, all the characters were Asian or Native American. In the film version, the three primary protagonists had been transformed into white characters — only the villain remained a person of color.

“Drive,” 2011: Carey Mulligan played Irene, who was portrayed as white in the movie but was Hispanic in the original novel. The script initially called for an “Irina,” but the name was changed to “Irene” after Mulligan signed on.

“Day of the Falcoln,” 2011: Spanish swashbuckler Antonio Banderas played Emer Nesib, an Arab character, and white actor Mark Strong played Sultan Amar.

“Argo,” 2012: Ben Affleck played Tony Mendez, an American whose father was Mexican. Some people criticized the casting choice, but Mendez is on the record as saying he doesn’t think of himself as Hispanic and didn’t object to Affleck playing him.


“The Lone Ranger,” 2013: Johnny Depp played Native American sidekick Tonto. Don’t worry though; Depp was adopted into the Comanche Nation the year before the movie was released.

“Star Trek Into Darkness,” 2013: Benedict Cumberbatch played Khan, a villain of Indian descent.

“Warm Bodies,” 2013: Analeigh Tipton played Nora, who was portrayed as white in the movie but who was half-Ethiopian in the original book.


“Exodus, Gods and Kings,” 2014: Where to begin? In this movie you can find Christian Bale as Moses; Australian Joel Edgerton as Ramses; John Turturro as Seti; Spanish actress Maria Valverde as Zipporah, Sigourney Weaver as Tuya, and the British Ben Kingsley as Nun. What you are not going to find is anyone from Egypt in a leading role.

“Noah,” 2014: This Biblical epic doesn’t do any better. Top billing goes to actors from New Zealand, the United States, and Britain, including Russell Crowe, Jennifer Connelly, Ray Winstone, Anthony Hopkins and Emma Watson.

“Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,” 2014: White actor William Fichtner played Eric Sacks, a villain who’s typically depicted as Japanese; he’ll reprise the role in future movies.


“Aloha,” 2015: Fair-skinned Emma Stone played the lead, who was written as a mixed-race character with a Swedish mother and a half-Chinese, half-Native Hawaiian father.

“The Martian,” 2015: Filmmakers really mixed things up here. Mackenzie Davis, a white actress, played Mindy Park, who was Korean-American in the original novel. And they transformed Venkat Kapoor, who was an Indian man in the novel, into “Vincent,” who was played by Chiwetel Ejiofor, a British actor of Nigerian descent.


“Pan,” 2015: Rooney Mara played the Native American Princess Tiger Lily, to everyone’s chagrin.

“Dr. Strange,” 2016: Tilda Swinton is set to play “The Ancient One,” a male Tibetan mystic.

“Ghost In the Shell,” 2017: Scarlett Johansson has signed on to play Motoko Kusanagi, who is Japanese in the anime series the movie is based on.


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OP, what are your thoughts on the above?
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Mind blown at all these porn parodies.

Imagine being a student doing a book report. Back in the day if we wanted to cheat we would listen to the audio book. These days you can just watch the porn version.
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Originally Posted By I3igAl
Internet fans are such low IQ sheep. Making adaptions as faithful as possible will just end up making horrible films, if it's a different medium. People, who rage about characters not looking exactly the same as their source material, just don't know much about movies.
Harrison Ford was way better looking, than the novel version of Blade Runner and the movie pretty damn good. Race-changing Velma or having them wear more normal clothing won't make much of a difference to Scooby Doo at all.

It only becomes problematic, when changes in race or looks, have to change said character's personality or background as well. An Indian Velma can still be the dorky smart member of the group. It's only problematic, when it doesn't fit the story anymore. A black Anne Boleyn is a blatant example. The black Ariel also seems suspect in what was originally a danish Fairy Tail, but it could be worked in somehow, by clever worldbuilding and adapting the entire culture of those Merpeople. A black James Bond would be difficult due to the guy's snobby upperclassness.

In general making something new out of the source material is not bad. Stanley Kubrick basically butchered Steven King's novel to make The Shining and what we got was so much greater than the original book.

It's a new adaption, not a cosplay. Their job is not to look the same as the source material, OP. That's just being stupid.
The problem is that when you deviate from the source material for no logical reason (eg Fred being a brunette instead of blond) the fans lose touch with the material. It no longer feels like Scooby Doo. It feels like fanfiction. Fans want to see quality adaptations of their favorite books/games/etc that stay true enough to the source to remind them of the experience of reading/watching/playing the original.

I agree that not all changes are bad, and of course some are downright necessary. LOTR could not possibly have been a script perfect reproduction of the books. But Hollywood and TV recreations are often so blatantly apathetic and lazy that I think fans have a right to be upset. Stuff like comic book movies are such an obvious cash grab merchandise honeypot that of course the people making movies/shows based of them dgaf about anything other than milking the license. Its especially obvious when these companies go out of the way to brag about how they cast minorities in the roles of white characters because it scores them major attention in the media and earns them woke points.

For example: X--men is now owned by Marvel Studios and the next series of films is possibly not going to be called "X-men" but instead called "The Mutants" because the name X-men is exclusive of women. (actual quote by Marvel Studios EVP of Production Victoria Alonso). That's obviously retarrded
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if i was blaq, id start auditioning for commercials and chit. You'd get gigs left and right.

Whites will be obsolete in hollywood and commercials/ads.

virtue signaling > profits is the new model. Get with the tymes.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
“The Passion of the Christ,” 2004: White guy Jim Caviezel played Jesus.
He looked dark enough for the film and using modern race definitions for people 2000years ago wouldn't work anyways.
Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
“World Trade Center,” 2006: William Mapother played Marine Sargeant Thomas, one of the men who helped rescue two Port Authority Police Officers from the rubble of the World Trade Center. In real life, Thomas is black; Mapother is white.
Doesn't ruin the movie. I am shure there were white helpers as well there, but I can see how it's a bit dickish to remove a black person from such a role. Especially with how people want positive rolemodels for blacks.
Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
Angelina Jolie in “A Mighty Heart” (AP Photo/Paramount Vantage/Peter Mountain)
“A Mighty Heart,” 2007: Angelina Jolie played Mariane Pearl, the wife of kidnapped journalist Daniel Pearl. Pearl is a French-born woman of Afro-Cuban descent; Jolie appeared to darken her skin and alter her hair for the role.
Seems weird. She also ended up looking Latina not black.
Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
“Stuck,” 2007: Mena Suvari played Brandi Boski, a character clearly based on Chante Mallard, who is black in real life. There might have been some plausible deniability here, if not for the decision to put Suvari’s blonde hair in cornrows.
Dunno the film.
Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
“30 Days of Night,” 2007: Josh Hartnett played Eben Oleson, a character who was of Inuit descent in the original comic book series.
Is that the one where he is on NoFap/no-sex for a month and all the sloots want him? Where would you get an Inuit chad from?
Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
“I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry,” 2007: Rob Schneider appeared as “Asian Minister.”
Also 90% of Rob Schneider's other roles.
Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
Mike Myers (center) in “The Love Guru”
“The Love Guru,” 2008: Canadian Mike Myers played the supposedly Indian Guru Pitka (and “Young Pitka,” and “Teenage Pitka”) in this comedy. He skipped the brownface but went for an elaborate brown beard. You know who wasn’t miscast in this movie? The Deepak Chopra character, who was played by Deepak Chopra.
True, but the movie was hardly a success, is highly panned for this among many reasons and widely regarded as on of the worst ideas to have ever been made into a movie
Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
“21,” 2008: Virtually every actor in this movie was racially miscast. The nearly all-white cast was composed of Kevin Spacey, Jim Sturgess and Jacob Pitts, among others, but almost everyone involved in the real-life card-counting scheme that inspired the movie was of Asian descent.
Dunno this one.
Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
“Dragonball: Evolution,” 2009: Justin Chatwin, a white Canadian actor, played main character Goku, who was Japanese in the original manga on which the movie was based.
That's some pretty bold assumption. He is from a fantasy world, where talking animals count as human citizens. Also while Japanese audiences see the characters as Asian, others don't. Focussing on race seems pretty weird here and distracts from the various other problems that film has.
Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
“Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince,” 2009: Here’s a head-scratcher: in the early Harry Potter movies, Lavender Brown was a Gryffindor student who appeared onscreen a few times but doesn’t have a huge role. In those early movies, she was played by black British actresses: Kathleen Cauley in “Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets” and Jennifer Smith in “Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.” But before Lavender Brown’s part became a speaking role in “Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince,” filmmakers held an open casting call for the part, and they replaced Smith with Jessie Cave, a blonde, British tap-dancer.
The way J.K. Rowling used race as quirky background decoration for side characters is somewhat weird anyways.
Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
“Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time,” 2010: In a widely mocked casting decision, Jake Gyllenhall was tapped to play Dastan, the aforementioned prince.
I think the problem here lies with the source material. Gyllenhaal looked like the video game character, which didn't look particularily Iranian.
Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
Max Minghella (Matt Sayles/AP) “The Social Network,” 2010: Max Minghella played Divya Narendra, who was one of the creators of HarvardConnection, a predecessor to ********. Minghella is a British actor of Chinese and European descent; Narendra is Indian American.
Not shure how I feel about side characters in films like that. Dunno, if he is relevant enough to the story to keep him accurate.
Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
“Avatar: The Last Airbender,” 2010: In the anime series that inspired this movie, all the characters were Asian or Native American. In the film version, the three primary protagonists had been transformed into white characters — only the villain remained a person of color.
That was pretty dumb, especially considering the Asian-inspired cultures and architecture.
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“Drive,” 2011: Carey Mulligan played Irene, who was portrayed as white in the movie but was Hispanic in the original novel. The script initially called for an “Irina,” but the name was changed to “Irene” after Mulligan signed on.
Does not seem like much of a deal.
Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
“Day of the Falcoln,” 2011: Spanish swashbuckler Antonio Banderas played Emer Nesib, an Arab character, and white actor Mark Strong played Sultan Amar.
It's actually a Quatari movie not a Hollywood one. Those gulf arabs just love the foreign glamour.
Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
“Argo,” 2012: Ben Affleck played Tony Mendez, an American whose father was Mexican. Some people criticized the casting choice, but Mendez is on the record as saying he doesn’t think of himself as Hispanic and didn’t object to Affleck playing him.
Interesting.
Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
“The Lone Ranger,” 2013: Johnny Depp played Native American sidekick Tonto. Don’t worry though; Depp was adopted into the Comanche Nation the year before the movie was released.
That was hilariously dumb. I see what they were going for with that entire goth zombie Indian look.
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Originally Posted By blistex
The problem is that when you deviate from the source material for no logical reason (eg Fred being a brunette instead of blond) the fans lose touch with the material. It no longer feels like Scooby Doo. It feels like fanfiction. Fans want to see quality adaptations of their favorite books/games/etc that stay true enough to the source to remind them of the experience of reading/watching/playing the original.
I totally agree with your reasoning. You need a good reason to change the source material. You need a great idea to make something from scratch.

However I don't think, that Fred's haircolor is essential to Scooby Doo. Freddie Prince jr. looked incredibly goofy as a blond dude in 2002. Now his Fred somewhat worked, becuase those movie didn't take themselves or the source material particularily serious at all.
For the Scooby gang to look the way they do in the cartoon -overly brightcolores hippies with a truck-, you need to engineer the entire movie around those colorschemes. You have to make everything over-the-top colourful and campy looking. They would just stand out in a normal setting and look like people in costumes.

Making them look like more normal people has the advantage of being able to design a film, that's less campy in style and where everything looks more down-to-earth. This certainely has advantages.
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Described in the story as having skin "as white as snow".

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Necro-bump:

Kaling showed off what the "updated" Velma and scooby doo gang will look like. The main character is now Indian, not just Kaling's voice.




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Black people are extremely over represented in cinematography.

I wish some nerd would actually quantify the amount of black leads in movies in the last 5-10 years, it's quite ridiculous when 13% of the population gets 90% representation.

No doubt there have been amazing movies with black leads (Denzel, Cuba, Will, etc), but that is not what we're seeing nowadays.
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Let Hollywood continue to fund these things that will flop.


It all comes back to money. When Hollywood realizes they are losing chit loads of money they will change their course.
I dont think its about making money
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Black people are extremely over represented in cinematography.

I wish some nerd would actually quantify the amount of black leads in movies in the last 5-10 years, it's quite ridiculous when 13% of the population gets 90% representation.

No doubt there have been amazing movies with black leads (Denzel, Cuba, Will, etc), but that is not what we're seeing nowadays.
Can't wait till it's my peoples turn. I mean Bad Bunny is going to be in a Marvel movie but the guy he's playing is Latino in the comics
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Originally Posted By LurkoLantern
Hollywood (and netflix in particular) seem hellbent on changing established characters to meet diversity checklist quotas. But the adult industry isn't. Welcome to clown world.

Here's your new Velma - starring Mindy Kaling


Now here's the porn version of scooby doo plus the 2009/2012 movies




Here's your Ariel



Here's the actress from "The Little Spermaid"
Lol at little spermaid
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I think they try to go for the shock factor.
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Originally Posted By tk217
Why does April have a bat? She's a ****ing reporter and her purpose wasn't even to do anything in the show but make the turtles look good to the media as a strong independent journalist in a man's world of blahblahblahblah journalism.
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phucking lol @ indian velma, kids used to fap to her, not anymore i guess
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2021 boyz in the hood remake staring johna hill, seth rogan, james franco and micheal sera.

oh ma gawd duh white washing.
Originally Posted By LurkoLantern
Necro-bump:

Kaling showed off what the "updated" Velma and scooby doo gang will look like. The main character is now Indian, not just Kaling's voice.


That chick is unfunny and ugly AF. Seriously, stop casting her naan crusted pussay
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Originally Posted By leafs43
Let Hollywood continue to fund these things that will flop.


It all comes back to money. When Hollywood realizes they are losing chit loads of money they will change their course.
I don’t think so anymore.

They keep making these despite them flopping. These are Zealots who already made their money I’m not sure they give a **** anymore.
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Originally Posted By Mercworx
I don’t think so anymore.

They keep making these despite them flopping. These are Zealots who already made their money I’m not sure they give a **** anymore.
Agreed. There's plenty of unprofitable SJW and leftist programs out there that still get subsidized and produced. Go see "The Batman" in theaters? Then you helped pay to keep the lights on at CNN.
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Originally Posted By mulletwarrior
I hate clownworld so bad, but......................

don't think changing the race of a fictional character is clownworld, OP. You need to lighten the eff up - you are just contributing to the other side of the same coin as clownworld.

Do a post when they make Joan of Arc a strong independent, yet sassy, black womyn.
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I'm still waiting for dear black people to release. I'm sure no one will have any issues with it since dear white people was such a hit and inspiration.
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