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Thread: Vioxx: FDA Approved; 40,000 to 60,000 Americans Killed

post 1653567903 01-01-2022, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted By nikonD70s⏩
It's like when Bayer had meds contaminated with I think hiv. They couldn't sell in the states. So they sold overseas. People got sick. Nobody went to jail. But let's trust the science guys.
LMFAO. Find a story remotely close to this happening and I'll rep you for life.
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post 1653569123 01-01-2022, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
How do you figure I am the one making assumptions? Why don't you list your credentials so you can explain to me how you've come to understand how reporting works in the medical field.

See this is how it actually works;https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/do...id-19-vaccines

Here is the pertinent part of the article
"The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires health care providers to report any serious adverse event (including death) that happens after a COVID-19 vaccination – whether or not the provider thinks there is any link. The CDC says, "Health care providers are required to report to VAERS the following adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination…regardless if the reporter thinks the vaccine caused the AE." AE stands for adverse event and includes death.

That means that if a vaccinated person drowns, gets in a car crash or is struck by lightning, their death must be reported to VAERS as an adverse event. Since we've vaccinated over 223 million people in the United States, many deaths will occur coincidentally after vaccination."


I don't think you even read the part where the 150k deaths are from all vaccines not just covid... I don't understand what all your random screeching is about, but if you are unwilling to accept the facts of the matter then you are choosing to remain willfully ignorant which is exactly what I accused you of in the first place. Again I really don't care if you chose to be vaccinated or not, but just be honest that you aren't doing it from a position of higher knowledge granting you superior decision making.You are one of those people who thinks finding obscure articles on the internet from nameless "researchers" that validate your incorrect assumptions is equal to knowledge.
I haven't claimed any special credentials. And you have mischaracterized VAERS reporting by claiming that accidental/violent deaths are regularly reported to VAERS. Under reporting to VAERS is well established with the conservative estimate being that only 10% to 20% of severe adverse events/deaths are reported.

Nameless "researchers"-

Dr. Robert Malone

Dr. Peter McCullough

Steve Kirsch, businessman and researcher

Geert Vanden Bossche DVM, PhD

And if you are on about Matthew Crawford he is a quant and a professor of statistics who has been applying his knowledge of statistics to data being published about the virus, the various treatments, and the vaccines.
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post 1653569253 01-01-2022, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Yep, I’m sure that’s why they retracted it..lol.
He works for pharma. ignore him.
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Originally Posted By SwagMorris⏩
What you fail to state because you’re intellectually dishonest, is that the peer-reviewed study removed those samples and still found that PHD and professional degree holders were more hesitant than masters and 4 year degree holders.



https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...e-0260731-t001

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...e.0260731.s009
Did you look at the risk ratios and associated confidence intervals? Also note the sample proportions.

The quote you provided is reporting descriptives.

This is from the results:

"Independent risk factors for vaccine hesitancy in May (N = 525,644) included younger age, non-Asian race, < 4 year college degree, living in a more rural county, living in a county with higher Trump vote share in the 2020 election, lack of worry about COVID-19, working outside the home, never intentionally avoiding contact with others, and no past-year flu vaccine."

The paper supports the opposite argument. The authors report that having less than 4 years of post-secondary is a significant predictor of hesitancy.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Did you look at the risk ratios and associated confidence intervals? Also note the sample proportions.

The quote you provided is reporting descriptives.
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post 1653570173 01-01-2022, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
I haven't claimed any special credentials. And you have mischaracterized VAERS reporting by claiming that accidental/violent deaths are regularly reported to VAERS. Under reporting to VAERS is well established with the conservative estimate being that only 10% to 20% of severe adverse events/deaths are reported.

Nameless "researchers"-

Dr. Robert Malone ---> claims to have invented MRNA vaccines... but never really invented a single MRNA vaccine. Although he did contribute to the technology behind it.

Dr. Peter McCullough ---> a Cardiologist. I don't see where you cited him? It appears his opinion about teens getting vaccinated is why you put him on your list?

Steve Kirsch, businessman and researcher --> his claim to fame is creating the optical mouse. LOL.

Geert Vanden Bossche DVM, PhD ---> this dude is a fuking Veterinarian.

And if you are on about Matthew Crawford he is a quant and a professor of statistics who has been applying his knowledge of statistics to data being published about the virus, the various treatments, and the vaccines.
I haven't mischaracterized anything. You were trying to pretend that 150k deaths from vaccines all legitimately had something to do with getting vaccinated. I told you that is incorrect because you didn't understand how "vaccine associated deaths" were defined.

I would love to see where you found that estimate that only 10-20% of deaths are reported to Vaers. Hospitals/physicians are required BY LAW to report deaths to VAERs. So you are claiming there are 600k-1.2m deaths not being reported? This sounds like a serious scandal you should probably make sure you post this on st0rmfront.

Its been fun to watch you larp as a medical expert when you very clearly lack any sort of doctorate level education, but I'm not going to entertain your delusions any further. You literally know nothing except the baseless accusations from a couple of easily debunked articles and studies that you misinterpret because you don't understand terms within them. You've made it clear you aren't willing to learn you just want to keep rambling about the misguided opinions of a hand full of people in a country of 360 million. Thankfully its still a free country and you are entitled to your ignorance too so I will leave you be.
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post 1653570543 01-01-2022, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
JLC is gonna spend all day trying to discredit another doctor who's not a big pharma shill lol.
Miscers love big pharma sales sloots in their short skirts, heels and roller bags for doctors. Yeah big pharma doesn't spend any money on sales and marketing
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
LMFAO. Find a story remotely close to this happening and I'll rep you for life.


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Originally Posted By nikonD70s⏩


Holy shyt that is crazy--- I can't believe this isn't something that is talked about more. I thought you were saying at first it was an oral med and I was skeptical, but dam that is nuts. The weirdest part is that it doesn't appear they took any flack for dumping this medication on people in 3rd world countries? I don't understand how that is possible.
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
I haven't mischaracterized anything. You were trying to pretend that 150k deaths from vaccines all legitimately had something to do with getting vaccinated. I told you that is incorrect because you didn't understand how "vaccine associated deaths" were defined.
So far as I can tell they are equally valid to "deaths from COVID" per CDC guidelines. And specific estimates of fatalities due to vaccination that I have shared have been from *other people* and I generally include a link.
Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
I would love to see where you found that estimate that only 10-20% of deaths are reported to Vaers. Hospitals/physicians are required BY LAW to report deaths to VAERs. So you are claiming there are 600k-1.2m deaths not being reported? This sounds like a serious scandal you should probably make sure you post this on st0rmfront.
From a Harvard study done prior to the pandemic. There conclusion was that 90% of serious adverse events and deaths post vaccination go unreported. Used to be pretty easy to search for, but not so on Google anymore. The 80% unreported was from a more recent paper.
Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
Its been fun to watch you larp as a medical expert when you very clearly lack any sort of doctorate level education, but I'm not going to entertain your delusions any further. You literally know nothing except the baseless accusations from a couple of easily debunked articles and studies that you misinterpret because you don't understand terms within them. You've made it clear you aren't willing to learn you just want to keep rambling about the misguided opinions of a hand full of people in a country of 360 million. Thankfully its still a free country and you are entitled to your ignorance too so I will leave you be.
I've not claimed to be a medical expert at all.

Enjoy your mass formation dear.

ETA: Or go watch JRE #1757. I though about digging up a link to my thread of Malone, Kirsch and Weinstein and their DarkHorse podcast, but it would take a long time.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Did you look at the risk ratios and associated confidence intervals? Also note the sample proportions
Doesn’t matter and there’s less PHDs than just high school graduates only. Of course there is a smaller sample portion.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The quote you provided is reporting descriptives.

This is from the results:

"Independent risk factors for vaccine hesitancy in May (N = 525,644) included younger age, non-Asian race, < 4 year college degree, living in a more rural county, living in a county with higher Trump vote share in the 2020 election, lack of worry about COVID-19, working outside the home, never intentionally avoiding contact with others, and no past-year flu vaccine."
Ok?
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The paper supports the opposite argument. The authors report that having less than 4 years of post-secondary is a significant predictor of hesitancy.
No it doesn’t. You can’t try to dismiss a study then use it to prove a point.

having a PHD and professional degree are more hesitant than bachelors and master degrees according to the study people like you and P51 repeatedly try to dismiss. Period.
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
Holy shyt that is crazy--- I can't believe this isn't something that is talked about more. I thought you were saying at first it was an oral med and I was skeptical, but dam that is nuts. The weirdest part is that it doesn't appear they took any flack for dumping this medication on people in 3rd world countries? I don't understand how that is possible.
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Originally Posted By SwagMorris⏩
having a PHD and professional degree are more hesitant than bachelors and master degrees according to the study people like you and P51 repeatedly try to dismiss. Period.
The model:

"Data was aggregated by month to evaluate time trends in COVID-19 vaccine uptake and intent. There may have been repeat respondents across months; however, respondents could not be linked longitudinally, so data was treated as repeat cross-sectional surveys. All estimates were generated using survey weights [15]. We calculated percentages of COVID-19 vaccine intent or hesitancy by month, as well as first-last month differences, for the full sample, and by race/ethnicity, education, US region, and county Trump support. We limited the race/ethnicity comparison to adults 18–34 years due to an interaction between race/ethnicity and age (reported below with May data)."

The results:
"The association between hesitancy and education level followed a U-shaped curve with the lowest hesitancy among those with a master’s degree, followed by those with a 4 year college degree, then a professional degree, and a doctorate. The highest hesitancy was among those with ≤high school education or some college (RR = 1.89 [95%CI 1.84, 1.94] and 1.67 [95%CI 1.62, 1.71], respectively, versus a 4 year college degree)."



They don't report an RR for PhD's or professional degrees because there is no statistically significant difference relative to the reference group (4 years of college).

PhD's and professionals are by far the smallest groups, even compared to missing.

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Originally Posted By kusok⏩
Let me guess upfront: we got soy cuck slaves itt defending the government and drug companies and attacking op?
Of course they are

They’re “mind blown” why anyone would be hesitant to trust pharmaceutical companies to save them from a virus with over a 99% recovery rate.
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
Holy shyt that is crazy--- I can't believe this isn't something that is talked about more. I thought you were saying at first it was an oral med and I was skeptical, but dam that is nuts. The weirdest part is that it doesn't appear they took any flack for dumping this medication on people in 3rd world countries? I don't understand how that is possible.
"Oh....ww ..wwwelll I don't see how that is possible! Pharma companies certainly have not been doing this for years upon years with no repercussion." Open your fukking eyes and get big daddy government's dick out of your mouth.
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Originally Posted By Rajc⏩
wow katja you are so smart
Not sure if srs, but that really isn't the point.
Sensemaking or sense-making is the process by which people give meaning to their collective experiences.It has been defined as "the ongoing retrospective development of plausible images that rationalize what people are doing" (Weick, Sutcliffe, & Obstfeld, 2005, p. 409).
Misc for all of its flaws seems to be one of the last places where people with very different ideas and views can still converse openly.

I'm just another traveler trying to make sense of life and when I find something interesting or amusing I like to share it.

JLC is one of the only miscers I really get bothered by. Not because he doesn't agree, but because he seems to actively work against any productive conversation, partly by turning threads into pissing matches that most people don't want to bother reading.

If he can convince others that either you or your argument aren't sound he wins. If he drives people away with his incessant nit-picking he wins.

If he isn't PAID or financially invested in some way then he is just a huge dink.

In this thread there wasn't anything to grapple regarding the video clips [verified factual; public knowledge] so instead he went after my opening statement and drove the conversation in another direction. Then a couple of others joined in to attack *me* vs. attacking the actual information in the clips.
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Originally Posted By Rajc⏩
wow katja you are so smart
her Russian immigrant father beat sense into her to disallow female degenarcy
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The model:

"Data was aggregated by month to evaluate time trends in COVID-19 vaccine uptake and intent. There may have been repeat respondents across months; however, respondents could not be linked longitudinally, so data was treated as repeat cross-sectional surveys. All estimates were generated using survey weights [15]. We calculated percentages of COVID-19 vaccine intent or hesitancy by month, as well as first-last month differences, for the full sample, and by race/ethnicity, education, US region, and county Trump support. We limited the race/ethnicity comparison to adults 18–34 years due to an interaction between race/ethnicity and age (reported below with May data)."

The results:
"The association between hesitancy and education level followed a U-shaped curve with the lowest hesitancy among those with a master’s degree, followed by those with a 4 year college degree, then a professional degree, and a doctorate. The highest hesitancy was among those with ≤high school education or some college (RR = 1.89 [95%CI 1.84, 1.94] and 1.67 [95%CI 1.62, 1.71], respectively, versus a 4 year college degree)."



They don't report an RR for PhD's or professional degrees because there is no statistically significant difference relative to the reference group (4 years of college).

PhD's and professionals are by far the smallest groups, even compared to missing.

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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
her Russian immigrant father beat sense into her to disallow female degenarcy
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Not sure if srs, but that really isn't the point.



Misc for all of its flaws seems to be one of the last places where people with very different ideas and views can still converse openly.

I'm just another traveler trying to make sense of life and when I find something interesting or amusing I like to share it.

JLC is one of the only miscers I really get bothered by. Not because he doesn't agree, but because he seems to actively work against any productive conversation, partly by turning threads into pissing matches that most people don't want to bother reading.

If he can convince others that either you or your argument aren't sound he wins. If he drives people away with his incessant nit-picking he wins.

If he isn't PAID or financially invested in some way then he is just a huge dink.

In this thread there wasn't anything to grapple regarding the video clips [verified factual; public knowledge] so instead he went after my opening statement and drove the conversation in another direction. Then a couple of others joined in to attack *me* vs. attacking the actual information in the clips.
The false attribution of some connection between me and Pharma is funny. But I suppose it might work toward maligning me rather than any arguments I might present. It does work, my CP has some fun death threats - some take the Misc vry srs.

Who would pay me to question statements that are designed to divide and conquer by inciting a base? I've never suggested anyone get vaccinated. I do question did propaganda though.

Why not stick to facts?

There are plenty of sound reasons to not want to be vaccinated. It's a personal decision.

But, PhD's being some of the most hesitant people regarding vaccines isn't sound or even true.

If the topic of discussion was intended to be about Vioxx, why is the opening post discussing covid vaccines?
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makes you wonder why then all these people seem oblivious to why some are anti-vaxx or vaxx hesitant or shame them altogether for it

i mean for fuk sake here's the proof
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
But, PhD's being some of the most hesitant people regarding vaccines isn't sound or even true.
The association between hesitancy and education level followed a U-shaped curve with the lowest hesitancy among those with a master’s degree, followed by those with a 4 year college degree, then a professional degree, and a doctorate. The highest hesitancy was among those with ≤high school education or some college
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Thank god for Katya's Hungarian Soviet commie gulag operating parents

They raised a good kid
Originally Posted By Rajc⏩
thiisssss
although, in all fairness, she is a mom age now so she might as well be considered a babushka and not a devushka
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Originally Posted By nothingshocking⏩
The people I knew in college who wanted to go after a PHD were all afraid of the real world. They were intelligent but way too comfortable with what they perceived as the safety and stability of the ivory tower of collegiate education. We had teammates for projects, and one of my partners in a class had laid out his path intentionally so he would never leave university.

I'm not terribly interested or impressed with PHD's. Sure there are some brilliant ones, but there are a lot more timothies.
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Originally Posted By friesbruh⏩
makes you wonder why then all these people seem oblivious to why some are anti-vaxx or vaxx hesitant or shame them altogether for it

i mean for fuk sake here's the proof
I guess it happens when people are upset. Every one of these threads turns into personal attacks when opinions stated as facts are questioned. It's unfortunate and yet another example of how politicizing a pandemic has become the foundation for a divide and conquer strategy.

Pretty much how fascism has historically taken root.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Pretty much how fascism has historically taken root.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
I've not claimed to be a medical expert at all.
What exactly are your credentials? Ive seen you post on a myriad of topics, but never really read your stuff because you seem fringy AF to be brutally honest.

Do you have a degree in finance or medical sciences? Just curious as I would be more inclined to spend the time actually reading your posts (whether we agree or disagree) if I knew the basis of your interest.




Ive worked in healthcare for about 20 years and have a PharmD.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Trudeau?
He's one example of many who are capitalizing on division.
post 1653594923 01-02-2022, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted By StallionRx⏩
What exactly are your credentials? Ive seen you post on a myriad of topics, but never really read your stuff because you seem fringy AF to be brutally honest.

Do you have a degree in finance or medical sciences? Just curious as I would be more inclined to spend the time actually reading your posts (whether we agree or disagree) if I knew the basis of your interest.




Ive worked in healthcare for about 20 years and have a PharmD.
Mostly personal experience and applied interest. I do take interest in a broad variety of topics and I post up stuff that seems important or unusual or just kind of fun. Now and then I deer diary.

- loads of retail experience including big box department stores, books, hardware, and plants
- briefly worked in auto insurance subrogation
- executive admin for multiple VPs at a securities broker-dealer [representative retention, event planning, licensing, training]
- executive admin for the VP of finance at a large non-profit hospital group
- acted as lead on some corporate charity programs
- babushka
- family includes engineers, machinists, RE flippers/sellers, an attorney, and a pharmacist
- older men in my family were unionized factory workers

At the beginning of the pandemic there was a flood of disorganized information from multiple sources and from multiple countries. Could be some of it was intentional disinformation, but if so I wasn't aware. If you read my posts you will see a lot of hedging [if, according to, claimed, etc.], quotes, screenshots, and links. I'm generally not that bent on other peoples' conclusions, just want to put stuff out there and have some kind of conversation.

I post lighter less serious stuff sometimes. I don't spread bad information purposely.
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