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Thread: Delaware lowers passing score on bar exam in push for racial diversity

post 1678433403 03-06-2023, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
y'all might want to read this for clarification, just sayin.....

http://www.nationalreview.com/news/d...ial-diversity/
"“The bar exam is not supposed to be a barrier to entering the profession but is supposed to be a test of an applicant’s ability to successfully practice law in Delaware and I believe these reforms will help better reflect that purpose,” the spokesman added."

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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
"“The bar exam is not supposed to be a barrier to entering the professionbut is supposed to be a test of an applicant’s ability to successfully practice law in Delaware and I believe these reforms will help better reflect that purpose,” the spokesman added."

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And yet.... if you don't pass it then you don't enter the profession.

So I'm guessing it actually IS a barrier?
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Intellect has two main contributors, one is genetic, the other is through education. We can look at extremes, on both ends, from both sources, to make better valuations. If you approach it from the perspective of "what went right", instead of "what went wrong", one can make a more logical and reasonable assessment.

The problem with diversity and Marxism, is that it focuses on "what went wrong", instead of "what went right". This will also lead to completely different solutions.

For example, genetic intellect can be seen in very young individuals who have much higher than average scores on different testing. They accelerate past everyone else with ease.

Education, on the other hand, teaches vital skills, like logic and reason, and memorization which allows greater abstraction. With that, understand that memorization can be dictated by intellect as well.

If we then look at IQ scores and who got what wrong, and who got what right, we can form some conclusions. For instance, one reason why certain individuals scored higher, is because they have either a larger vocabulary, or because they were fluent in the language the test was given in. Many simple words that we learn through education caused a hang up for some minority groups, like the word "relative". This does not mean that we dumb down IQ test simply for these reasons, but rather, understanding that vocabulary can be important for communication, which means the solution is not dumbing down the IQ test, it's bettering education and language for non-native speakers and others. The reason for this would be the fact that if you plan to practice law or medicine in the US, It's important to have good communication in English. If you can't communicate well, you are not going to do well in much of anything that requires higher skills and education. Individuals who speak the language fluently and have larger vocabulary's, can understand more when communicating with others, as well as reading difficult material.

If we look back in world history, we will find that Germany became one of the most advanced countries in the world because they took the time to translate everything in to German. If you did not speak German, you were left behind. Until someone was willing to translate all of the archives into other languages, it was not reasonable to believe Germans should tailor everything around non German speaking groups. This would have taken so much time and resources, Germany has a hole would have fallen behind and not become so successful.

Just the same, these very high skilled and educated positions should not be required to tailor the testing material to lower educated and non-English-speaking groups.
The whole will suffer greatly, and the country will suffer more economic hardships.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
I tell you Benny, nothing - and I mean nothing says progress like lowering standards to accommodate minorities.

It's a great day to be an American, huh Benny.
It is, when you read real sources and direct quotes directly from the sources.
Trust posts in the R+P, but verify them with multiple sources....

"toughest in the entire United States"
"two questions"

https://courts.delaware.gov/supreme/justices.aspx
Chief Justice Collins J. Seitz Jr., one of the lawyers who spearheaded the change
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
y'all might want to read this for clarification, just sayin.....

http://www.nationalreview.com/news/d...ial-diversity/
Uhhh What?

The court lowered the minimum grade required to pass the bar

Seitz Jr. “noted that this is not a lowering of the standards
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
It is, when you read real sources and direct quotes directly from the sources.
Trust posts in the R+P, but verify them with multiple sources....

"toughest in the entire United States"
"two questions"

https://courts.delaware.gov/supreme/justices.aspx
Chief Justice Collins J. Seitz Jr., one of the lawyers who spearheaded the change
What would you call removing two questions from a test to make it easier for minorities to pass if its not lowering standards?
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
It is, when you read real sources and direct quotes directly from the sources.
Trust posts in the R+P, but verify them with multiple sources....

"toughest in the entire United States"
"two questions"

https://courts.delaware.gov/supreme/justices.aspx
Chief Justice Collins J. Seitz Jr., one of the lawyers who spearheaded the change
I quoted the article you provided
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Originally Posted By uncle
It is, when you read real sources and direct quotes directly from the sources.
Trust posts in the R+P, but verify them with multiple sources....

"toughest in the entire United States"
"two questions"

https://courts.delaware.gov/supreme/justices.aspx
Chief Justice Collins J. Seitz Jr., one of the lawyers who spearheaded the change
"The Delaware Supreme Court is introducing a wave of changes to the state’s bar exam, considered by many to be among the toughest in the entire United States, in a bid to make it more accessible for black and Latino test takers...

The court lowered the minimum grade required to pass the bar by two questions on Tuesday and will also feature half as many essay prompts and henceforth be held twice a year.

So Bodhy was right? Black people really can't pass the test? Shiit Bodhy, sorry I LOL'd at you... my bad. Thanks for correcting me Benny!
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Originally Posted By goody1⏩
What would you call removing two questions from a test to make it easier for minorities to pass if its not lowering standards?
"Chief Justice Collins J. Seitz Jr., one of the lawyers who spearheaded the change in an attempt to improve racial diversity in the legal profession,

***dismissed accusations that the measure would reduce the quality of Delaware lawyers.**

Seitz Jr. “noted that this is not a lowering of the standards but a modernization of the process to better reflect how other states handle admission to the bar.
The chief justice said these reforms will ****keep Delaware competitive in attracting top legal talent to the state and keep Delawareans interested in the law from going elsewhere,”****
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
"The Delaware Supreme Court is introducing a wave of changes to the state’s bar exam, considered by many to be among the toughest in the entire United States, in a bid to make it more accessible for black and Latino test takers...

The court lowered the minimum grade required to pass the bar by two questions on Tuesday and will also feature half as many essay prompts and henceforth be held twice a year.

So Bodhy was right? Black people really can't pass the test? Shiit Bodhy, sorry I LOL'd at you... my bad. Thanks for correcting me Benny!
Common sense , toughest in the USA= they go to NJ, Pennsylvania, MD, and NY.
He wants them in Delaware.
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Originally Posted By uncle
"Chief Justice Collins J. Seitz Jr., one of the lawyers who spearheaded the change in an attempt to improve racial diversity in the legal profession,

***dismissed accusations that the measure would reduce the quality of Delaware lawyers.**

Seitz Jr. “noted that this is not a lowering of the standardsbut a modernization of the process to better reflect how other states handle admission to the bar.
The chief justice said these reforms will ****keep Delaware competitive in attracting top legal talent to the state and keep Delawareans interested in the law from going elsewhere,”****
From your link Benny.

"The court lowered the minimum grade required to pass the bar."
Originally Posted By uncle
Common sense , toughest in the USA= they go to NJ, Pennsylvania, MD, and NY.
He wants them in Delaware.
So why couldn't they... You know,pass the testin Deleware?
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
"Chief Justice Collins J. Seitz Jr., one of the lawyers who spearheaded the change in an attempt to improve racial diversity in the legal profession,

***dismissed accusations that the measure would reduce the quality of Delaware lawyers.**

Seitz Jr. “noted that this is not a lowering of the standards but a modernization of the process to better reflect how other states handle admission to the bar.
The chief justice said these reforms will ****keep Delaware competitive in attracting top legal talent to the state and keep Delawareans interested in the law from going elsewhere,”****
Again, removing two questions from a test to make it easier for minorities to pass should be called what?
What would YOU call it?
By the way they also significantly reduced the number of essay questions as well
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
"Chief Justice Collins J. Seitz Jr., one of the lawyers who spearheaded the change in an attempt to improve racial diversity in the legal profession,

***dismissed accusations that the measure would reduce the quality of Delaware lawyers.**

Seitz Jr. “noted that this is not a lowering of the standards but a modernization of the process to better reflect how other states handle admission to the bar.
The chief justice said these reforms will ****keep Delaware competitive in attracting top legal talent to the state and keep Delawareans interested in the law from going elsewhere,”****
“If everyone else was jumping off a cliff, would you jump too?”. No one listens to mama anymore.

“Competitive” from the perspective of the Universities and government means “more money”. From the perspective of the economy, it’s “more value”.
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Originally Posted By LogicalLifts⏩
How would it increase racial diversity? The scoring gap is normally so large it'd just mean a larger slice of the top performers will be chosen. And there's not much diversity in that slice. Whoever designed this policy is virtue signaling in an awful way.
No takers?
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
I'm dying over here!!!! LMFAO!!!!

No dude, you don't have that right at all. The bar exam is not only "relevant" to practicing law, its a fuking requirement lol.
And he claims to have a PHD????
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
y'all might want to read this for clarification, just sayin.....

http://www.nationalreview.com/news/d...ial-diversity/
Here comes smug Benny to put us all in our place.......I wonder what the outcome will be this time?
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Nuclear facepalm at you guys and your utter stupidity.
Stop responding to them..

Only on this forum do a bunch of racists claim that black people can only be lawyers because of the color of their skin and diversity hires.. and then accuse liberals of being the racists.


This forum is nothing but modern day McCarthyism. They make all kinds of accusations then DEMAND you denounce whatever they're accusing you of.

They are incapable of having actual conversations.

Stop responding to them.
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[QUOTE=NYPat post_id=1678440843][B]Stop responding to them..

Only on this forum do a bunch of racists claim that black people can only be lawyers because of the color of their skin and diversity hires.. and then accuse liberals of being the racists.[/QUOTE]source?
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Stop responding to them..

Only on this forum do a bunch of racists claim that black people can only be lawyers because of the color of their skin and diversity hires.. and then accuse liberals of being the racists.


This forum is nothing but modern day McCarthyism. They make all kinds of accusations then DEMAND you denounce whatever they're accusing you of.

They are incapable of having actual conversations.

Stop responding to them.
Hey Pat, your tranny and drag freaks..

Tell us again why they want to perform for children?
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Stop responding to them..

Only on this forum do a bunch of racists claim that black people can only be lawyers because of the color of their skin and diversity hires.. and then accuse liberals of being the racists.


This forum is nothing but modern day McCarthyism. They make all kinds of accusations then DEMAND you denounce whatever they're accusing you of.

They are incapable of having actual conversations.

Stop responding to them.
In the article Ben posted it says that they are removing questions and essay requirements to make it easier for black and Hispanic to pass the bar exam. Don’t you think it’s a little racist to think minorities can’t pass it as it is?
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
source?
Just put her on ignore. She's gaslighting to avoid the logical responses. Pat thinks everyone is racist except herself. Typical far left tactics.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
I've really been thinking about this lately as my ENT doctor/surgeon is black. Granted, he has 17 years of experience.. which would make him a 2006 graduate. What throws me off is that he has solid reviews on all websites.. can't really tell if he's a diversity hire. He is a surgeon.
That's just it, up until recently, you could safely assume that whomever doctor you went to (regardless of sex, color, etc) was competent because of standardized qualifications, testing, competency, etc.
Granted, there will always be a best to worse scale where somewhere out there is the worst doctor based again on skill and competency, but for the most part the system worked.
In a few years will we be able to visit a doctors office and have to wonder if Dr. Jackson was the top of his class, or was he pushed through even though he really didn't comprehend the material?
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Stop responding to them..

Only on this forum do a bunch of racists claim that black people can only be lawyers because of the color of their skin and diversity hires.. and then accuse liberals of being the racists.


This forum is nothing but modern day McCarthyism. They make all kinds of accusations then DEMAND you denounce whatever they're accusing you of.

They are incapable of having actual conversations.

Stop responding to them.
Damn Groomer, you're really upset over what Tennessee is doing.
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Originally Posted By kcadrenalin⏩
That's just it, up until recently, you could safely assume that whomever doctor you went to (regardless of sex, color, etc) was competent because of standardized qualifications, testing, competency, etc.
Granted, there will always be a best to worse scale where somewhere out there is the worst doctor based again on skill and competency, but for the most part the system worked.
In a few years will we be able to visit a doctors office and have to wonder if Dr. Jackson was the top of his class, or was he pushed through even though he really didn't comprehend the material?
Feel good lib policies often do the exact opposite of what is intended.
That's the thing, I never thought of skin color when dealing with a doctor, or gender.

Now??? I might be looking for those with a "Stein" in the last name......
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Originally Posted By kcadrenalin⏩
That's just it, up until recently, you could safely assume that whomever doctor you went to (regardless of sex, color, etc) was competent because of standardized qualifications, testing, competency, etc.
Granted, there will always be a best to worse scale where somewhere out there is the worst doctor based again on skill and competency, but for the most part the system worked.
In a few years will we be able to visit a doctors office and have to wonder if Dr. Jackson was the top of his class, or was he pushed through even though he really didn't comprehend the material?
Feel good lib policies often do the exact opposite of what is intended.
actually you shouldn't have. Always check where your doctor went to medical school. My sister, a doctor, told me not to see an American that went to med school overseas.
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Black women are the most worthless people on this planet so this will make sure that they can practice law against the US. These ugly, ignorant hags will fix all the ills that face this country.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
actually you shouldn't have. Always check where your doctor went to medical school. My sister, a doctor, told me not to see an American that went to med school overseas.
I can totally understand the reasoning behind that. I also know from experience not to ever judge a doctor by looks, etc. In 2009 I was in a jetski accident and my lower left leg was completely mangled. (multiple compound fractures)
About 2 weeks after having several surgeries where they plated everything back together, I ended up with a MRSA infection. I'm in the hospital on every antibiotic available, and the infection keeps getting worse and begins spreading.
Doctors came and went, lots of meetings and eventually everyone came to the consensus (myself included) that my leg needed to be amputated right below the knee. My wife at the time would not accept that as the final option and began calling anyone that would listen, to have them come and give second opinions. On the day that I was scheduled to have my amputation surgery, An Indian infectious disease doctor came to see me. He looked at my leg, looked at all the charts and images and called a meeting with my doctors. Long story short, he told them that he wanted to try it his way to treat the infection and that he thought he could save the leg. They had to pull out all of the hardware that was holding everything together because he felt like that was contributing to the infection, and that meant a couple of weeks in the hospital bed with no movement. End result was after finally getting the infection under control, I was able to leave with my leg intact. Had to wear a fixator for 6 months but other than some nasty scars, I eventually got back to normal. I basically owe my leg to a doctor born and educated in India who's english was hard to understand. 10 other doctors just gave up or didn't care enough to try. They all had outstanding qualifications and great ratings.

Just a few pictures for reference. Not for the queasy. I didn't post the pics from the day of the accident as they are pretty gross.

Spoiler!





This was after a few months.


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Originally Posted By slat11⏩
Black women are the most worthless people on this planet so this will make sure that they can practice law against the US. These ugly, ignorant hags will fix all the ills that face this country.
White liberal women are up there pretty far, bro. They get PhDs in women’s studies, then fight for their loans to be paid off by tax payers. That’s just as chitty as welfare queens.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Everyday the Dems prove they're the party of low expectations.....
And the party of racists.

They literally think minorities are too stupid to pass these exams so they lower the standards lol.
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