I’m not sure why he said that because psychology and Freud are obviously legit, that doesn’t mean that god can’t be real too

The human concept of God cannot be real because the people who wrote it were just making chit up.

While there may actually be some type of creator, acting like it created humans intentionally and didn't just spark life across the entire universe is ridiculous. Attributing Human characteristics to some detached cosmic force is also ridiculous. The whole Jesus myth is just a dumb jew copy of older pagan myths where Zues or Odin or whoever came down from heaven and knocked up some sloot. Utterly ridiculous.

We get it. You hate religion.

Yes, you do believe things whether or not you’re willing to call them beliefs. But if you’d prefer different terminology, what are your currentthoughts?



Also, I’d recommend starting with some of Jordan Peterson’s presentations on religion and/or stories from the Bible.

Peterson is a great teacher. Not because anything he says is any sort of proof of a sky fairy, but how ancient human fables relate to human psychological development. You can look at God myths and take them at face value without believing anything about them is real and take them for what they are.

Ancient pagan religious just used human personification on nature. Gods all represent some aspect of things people had to struggle against. Winter, death, spring, life.

Funny thing is even modern religions still pay homage to those natural aspects, but center them around a fake magic baby instead of the physical forces that really exist.

As far as I'm concerned it's all a load of nonsense, contradictory, confusing and utterly unbelievable. The more I learn of it the more daft it looks!

Being agnostic means that you don’t believe anything, as you accept that you don’t know what’s going on.

This is just as much a ridiculous comment as the others. You have as much proof or logical reasoning that god doesn’t exist as the other guys have that he does - zero. So because we can’t use logic to determine if god exists, I’m interested in the other reasons as to why people have such belief, outside of just coping mechanisms and comfort, if such a thing exists.

I can use logic to determine every religious text ever written is bullchit quite easily.

I can also use logic to determine every prophet who ever claimed to talk to God is just lying and anyone who believes them is a moron. Or Moroni. Lol.

They believe because of personal experience, among other things. Tons of people have gone from atheistic/agnostic to believing in a Creator. Not because they suddenly acquired some type of information that you don’t have access to, but because of experiences they’ve had. Not sure what it is exactly that you’re wanting us to give you.


If you’d like to try an experiment, do this. Start and end each day with prayer. Simply talk to God as if He exists and can be easily communicated with. And you can ask for things, but your prayer should be focused on two main things; expressing gratitude and asking for guidance. Do that for the entire month of March and see what you think at the end.


And ftr, I’m not making claims about what that will and won’t do or will and won’t prove. Just pointing out that it may be an experiment worth doing.

No offense, but when people use phrases like “fake magic baby” I just go ahead and drop out of the conversation because the level of thought you’ve put into it means it isn’t worth it, and you also probably have a close to 0% chance of changing your mind on anything at this point.

TRH

Religion is a crutch for those that are weak. Agreed life really has no meaning in the grand scheme of things.

We used to worship the sun and cats as gods. Don't really trust our ability to know what is really going on.

All of this is mental masturbation. Best explanation is time doesn't exist, and there was no beginning nor end. Time is infinite, a concept we "understand" but don't understand. all of this leads to believing in a creator since none of it makes actual sense to us. I still lean agnostic though.

edit: I do FIRMLY believe the question will never be answered because life itself would become pointless if we knew the answer one way or another. Even more so im of an opinion life will be wiped or reset long before we come close to answering the question.

People who talk and think like that WANT to believe god doesn't exist to prop up whatever shietty attitude they have towards life itself. You start asking them any hard questions and they resort to "big bang!!11" and have nothing else to dive deeper into any conversation.

Uhh thats not entirely what agnostic means, lol. It means we believe there isn't sufficient proof either way and that sufficient proof will never exist.

Uhh, yes it is, lol. You don’t know what’s going on *because* there’s insufficient evidence.

Did you know that God, in his omniscience, knew that you would be born, grow up to be who you are today, and actually wrote a Bible verse about you?

It goes, "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God." (Psalm 14:1)

When you need God, he'll be there for you.

Yeah keep thinking "god" wrote the bible when it's been well documented who actually did.

You saying that this creator intentionally making humans as being ridiculous is you yourself imposing your own opinion on the actions of the creator and assuming he would do as YOU see fit, which you then go on to say is a ridiculous thing to do.

The real question is why does your life suck so much? If you were happy or had other things to do you wouldn't spend so much time giving any amount of fuks about what others choose to believe in. Also, you talk quite a bit about ****'s, that is a bit concerning, it really sounds like you have a lot of experience with it.

I can point to STIGMATA and other WELL DOCUMENTED and SCIENTIFICALLY CHALLENGED Orthodox/Catholic MIRACLES. Plenty of YouTube vids and books on the subjects if one wishes to do his research......or he can just be LAZY and continue to play the annoying athiest

Sigmund Freud’s thesis was that every male competes with his dad because they want to fuk their own mother.

This is the core of psychoanalysis jewry.

«Thousands of years of advances in psychology» yet highly religious societies have almost zero suicide whilst depressed atheist that see shrinks off themselves in record Numbers. Thousands of years… of going backwards.

When you take this kind of position - you should be aware that it applies to everything. You don't have sufficient evidence to "prove" anything in the way that you mean.

When forming a logical argument, you always need to start with anassumptionor "first principle" also sometimes called an "axiom". You can then use logical reasoning to derive conclusions that are true or falseunder the given assumption. In other words, absolutely any logical system of thinking requires one to havefaithin the truth of its' first principle.

In an argument about the existence of God, you are not arguing about the logical reasoning that someone is using but rather you are arguing aboutwhich first principle to use. Example: (A: Assume there is a God, B: Assume there is no God.)

The way that this is argued, is by looking at the conclusions that result from assuming each thing and seeing if the conclusions are agreeable or not.

No, that might be how you learnt to do it by learning from books other people have written, but my way was fine. It sounds like you’re trying hard to cope as well.

Good post, but sadly this will be lost on midwit "i heckin love science and logic!!!" Redditors who refuse to admit they themselves don't know everything, are incapable of knowing everything, and indeed, there are truths out there that are inherently unknowable.

I didn't say a creator intentionally made humans. The evolution of humans from ameobas and lobsters is written in our DNA. Whatever forces created the cosmos has no knowledge or interest of humans or elongated crabs or peanut brittle. It certainly didn't seed some sloot with magic semen and has no interest in any collection of atoms making up a human brain no matter how hard you pray to it.

Everything you believe was made up in the mind of a grifter to separate chumps from their time and money.

Look at how the monks of old lived like paupers while the bishops lived like kings. That's gods will right? God the cosmic entity that created a trillion galaxies and doesn't want you to beat your meat.

I knew God existed when I was 4 years old and I didn't need any religion to tell me that.

I remember looking around outside my apartment I was in and seeing all the tree's, clouds, sun, the blue sky, how beautiful it was and I was like, God does exist.



You might think that's because of child like faith but look around you outside.

You think all these cars, planes and technology just appeared evolving over hundreds or thousands of years?

No, there was someone who was the creator. Who created the design, and put work to find the raw materials, refine them and create components to put together which results in what were driving, living and working with today.


You are correct that organized religion have some good aspects and give people guidance in life but it is also true that Religion has been corrupted all over the world by certain people,

taking advantage of people's sincerity all to enrich themselves and profit from it.



It was true in the past and still is true today.

The Lord Jesus Christ saw this and condemned it 2000 years ago.



Mark 11:15-18

"And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple,

and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves;

And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple.



And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

And the scribes and chief priests heard it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared him, because all the people was astonished at his doctrine."




Why did The Lord Jesus Christ do this?



During that time, the only money that was accepted at the Temple of Jerusalem as an offering to The Lord was the half shekel of the sanctuary.


A coin half ounce of pure silver, assured weight without an image of a Roman Emperor where the money changers cornered the market creating a monopoly.

The coin was not plentiful where they raised prices and profiting off the Jewish people. This was a clear violation of the worship of God in the temple.


So religion does have it positives as well as negatives, but as a person who should not let others actions or experiences in the past determine our attitude and throw it all out.

We all should take stock of how things are going and be sincere to look for the real truth ourselves.


Take a look at the new testament, Read about The Lord Jesus Christ who they wanted to destroy because he told the truth and is the truth.


John 14:5-6

"Thomas saith unto him,

Lord, we know not whither thou goest;

and how can we know the way?



Jesus saith unto him,

I am the way,

the truth,

and the life:

no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

This sounds like something I would have said as a middle school edgelord, or perhaps typed in an AOL chatroom.

thanks brah, he actually beat you to it, lol!