Because living in America is what allowed him to have the life that he did and the freedoms that he had.

-brb supports 2nd amendment right in order to stand up to a tyrannical government
-brb supports tyrannical governments

yes, he talks chit about white people. therefore i have the right to not see him as a hero. lol
what's the problem with that?

There isn't a problem, I never said you have to see him as hero. Its mostly black people who saw him as hero in those time, he wasn't trying to appeal to some random Australian.

This

You never hear anybody talk about these celebrities. Then someone dies and everyone talks about them like they actually knew them and give a chit. Just like Paul Walker

Don't get me wrong it's sad and rip, but Jesus.

This is the same Country he won a gold medal for then basically told him to piss off and treated him like $hit when he returned home.

I don't think because he won a gold at the Olympics he should be exempt from serving your country. There were Olympians who have fought in wars.

Does anyone else hate how much praise and attention althetes get? People act like they're gods.

For us aussies, nrl players are treated like superstars/ celebrities/ people to look up too.

Where was all that praise for the firefighters busting in their asses in victoria and nsw to keep people alive?

Location: Australia

- brb lol

No he isn't saying that winning a gold medal exempts him from war. You misunderstood.

He meant that America obviously doesn't show any appreciation for him, and treated him like dirt. An example of that was when he won the gold medal but still was treated like crap i.e. not allowed to go into restaurants bc white owners don't want to serve him. So Muhammad Ali's thinking was, why do this for a country that treats him like garbage, especially when he doesn't believe in doing it in the first place?

Because living in America is what allowed him to have the life that he did and the freedoms that he had. Yeah obviously looking back after over half a century you can see the flaws of the Vietnam war, but thats the definition of coward for your excuse to be "they didn't do nothing to me so why should I fight". And lets not act like everyone who dodged the draft had some psychic ability to know how everything would play out. I imagine 99% of them just didn't want to fight with their country.

People need to stop looking at it so black and white (not literally). Its not like they were presented with a contract that said "sign here to say you will kill women and babies". Yes, a lot of chit went on, but please keep it real and understand the dude was internationally known. He woulda been sitting in some office somewhere not doing chit.

He is right. The Vietnam war by all accounts was ridiculous. Do you believe citizens should blindly follow rules set by tyranical governments?

Answer honestly here because up until now i've always had a favorable opinion of you but your extremist stance on the Draft which was abolished for a reason is bonkers. Never seen someone be so pro-govt on a measure that the govt he is advocating now condemns.

will rep for life anyone who posts this vid on fb and screenshots the comments lol

im not saying black people don't have it harder in general or anything but damn if this were a white athlete who had a youtube vid like this floatin around....he/she would be dead to the media for life lol.

It was pretty obvious even at the time that fighting in Vietnam's civil war wasnt doing anything for America's freedom. Vietnam had not attacked the US, it was even more obvious than the Iraq invasion. No need for any psychic ability.

And I would argue what he did took a ton of balls, he was risking prison time and hurt his career at its peak. Being that he was a celebrity, it wasnt like he would have been on the front lines as you said, that I agree with you. He didnt even make excuses or 'dodge' anything, he said flat out Im not doing it, lock me up if you want to.

Ali grew up in an America which segregated blacks and whites and told blacks they were inferior.

He lived through black kids being refused entry to white schools. He lived through black people being kept out of white restaurants. He lived through the era where it wasn't uncommon for black men to be assaulted or even killed if they looked at a white woman the wrong way.

Denied decent jobs. Denied the right to vote. Not that far removed from lynchings being commonplace. Provided with a vastly inferior standard of education.

Emmett Till, Rosa Parks, etc. Police who were not only institutionally racist, but actively assaulted black people for ****s and giggles. Black people being arrested and convicted of crimes they didn't commit. They were oppressed to a degree that we can barely comprehend.

He has absolutely no reason to believe black people and white people could coexist. White people made it abundantly clear they didn't want to.

Yet, because he adopted the attitude that, okay, we won't coexist then - we will read the teachings of colonised people in other countries, who successfully fought colonisation, we will teach our own kind that we are not inferior, we will form our own nation, he is the racist :lol:

It's very easy to point to the example of Martin Luther King, but plenty of the most important figures in the civil rights movement - Malcolm X, Bobby Seale, Huey Newton, the list goes on - broadly believed in the same things as Ali. We are oppressed. We will fight oppression by any means necessary. You have spent a century vilifying us and telling us we are inferior, we will vilify you and tell our kind we are superior.

Ali's views were a product of his surroundings. White people gave him no reason to believe in them. As things changed, so did Ali's views. It's such a white way of looking at Ali's pov - disconnected from context - to suggest it resembled racism. They were the oppressed. They were fighting back, not casting the first stone. Even Malcolm X changed his views as he came to see coexistence in other parts of the world.

Despite all that, Ali never turned away a white kid who wanted to speak to him. He never held the sins of their fathers against them. He regularly gave speeches to white children, about bullying etc. There are photos of him teaching self defence to white children.

He took a stand and tried to help his own people, and advocated black nationalism in a country where segregation was already imposed by the white man. He and Malcolm X believed the only way to restore black pride was to create a black national identity. They didn't think this for a laugh. They thought it because black people had been stripped of their pride by white America.

And there is some evidence to suggest that Malcolm X and MLK were much closer than most people think. Malcolm X openly stated that by adopting an extreme stance, he would make MLK's more moderate approach far more palatable to white America.

- I said i don't see him as a hero, because of his beliefs
- you tell me that he has a right to believe that
- i tell you i have a right, not to see him as a hero
- now you change the subject and say he doesn't care

urine idiot

Quotes like this, suggesting servicemen shoot and kill women and children regularly, is part of the issue I (and many others) have with him.

couldn't even tell you if australia even has a president or prime minister or king srs

Ali grew up in an America which segregated blacks and whites and told blacks they were inferior.

He lived through black kids being refused entry to white schools. He lived through black people being kept out of white restaurants. He lived through the era where it wasn't uncommon for black men to be assaulted or even killed if they looked at a white woman the wrong way.

Denied decent jobs. Denied the right to vote. Not that far removed from lynchings being commonplace. Provided with a vastly inferior standard of education.

Emmett Till, Rosa Parks, etc. Police who were not only institutionally racist, but actively assaulted black people for ****s and giggles. Black people being arrested and convicted of crimes they didn't commit. They were oppressed to a degree that we can barely comprehend.

He has absolutely no reason to believe black people and white people could coexist. White people made it abundantly clear they didn't want to.

Yet, because he adopted the attitude that, okay, we won't coexist then - we will read the teachings of colonised people in other countries, who successfully fought colonisation, we will teach our own kind that we are not inferior, we will form our own nation, he is the racist :lol:

It's very easy to point to the example of Martin Luther King, but plenty of the most important figures in the civil rights movement - Malcolm X, Bobby Seale, Huey Newton, the list goes on - broadly believed in the same things as Ali. We are oppressed. We will fight oppression by any means necessary. You have spent a century vilifying us and telling us we are inferior, we will vilify you and tell our kind we are superior.

Ali's views were a product of his surroundings. White people gave him no reason to believe in them. As things changed, so did Ali's views. It's such a white way of looking at Ali's pov - disconnected from context - to suggest it resembled racism. They were the oppressed. They were fighting back, not casting the first stone. Even Malcolm X changed his views as he came to see coexistence in other parts of the world.

Despite all that, Ali never turned away a white kid who wanted to speak to him. He never held the sins of their fathers against them. He regularly gave speeches to white children, about bullying etc. There are photos of him teaching self defence to white children.

He took a stand and tried to help his own people, and advocated black nationalism in a country where segregation was already imposed by the white man. He and Malcolm X believed the only way to restore black pride was to create a black national identity. They didn't think this for a laugh. They thought it because black people had been stripped of their pride by white America.

And there is some evidence to suggest that Malcolm X and MLK were much closer than most people think. Malcolm X openly stated that by adopting an extreme stance, he would make MLK's more moderate approach far more palatable to white America.

First off you replied to my comment, secondly you make no sense what so ever.

try again b

you responded to me by calling me a cuck and an idiot...


I gave cliffs on our conversation an you're saying i don't make sense?