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post 1602586191 04-15-2020, 11:19 AM
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1v1 streetfight?
High level BJJ.

Trying to fend off multiple people?
Muay Thai.
I think a hard leg kick would mess up the average joe a lot more than hat many people realize.
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Originally Posted By MiniManletBrah⏩
This but I’d be tempted to say wrestling>boxing and in saying that as a boxer.

Every street fight you come close to the opponent. Get close to a wrestler and you are phucked. Get slammed wrong and it’s RIP
Pretty much this - obviously if the person has friends and it not 1v1 then wrestling suddenly isn't as great.

Honestly I believe for actual self defense/"street fighting" that Judo beats out wrestling though- speaking as someone very partial and biased toward Wrestling. Though of course I mean real Judo where they really apply it (randori and even better if they compete) it - and not some McDojo.

Boxing is great though, and a very good asset for self defense.
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Originally Posted By skinnyfat88⏩
I think a hard leg kick would mess up the average joe a lot more than hat many people realize.
Nah, not in an adrenalized state. (I've held a Thai pad against my leg for a dude who trained Muay Thai for years to kick, my leg seized up within 3 minutes. I'm not underestimating how hard the kick is, but when a grown man - who isn't a wimp - is enraged... Leg kicks aren't what I would advise anyone to go for.)

Unless you can kick as hard as a pro Muay Thai fighter.

Sweeps would be good.
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Boxing with some Judo for takedown defense is the answer.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Some cardio training, he would be fine. He only playfully grabbed Connor in 17 seconds, if he was going full power Connor would be thrown around like a ragdoll.

Do you remember Bob Sapp?

When he started (and was in his prime, regarding his career, which was 2002 to 2005) only a few fighters could beat him (aside from the DQ losses). Dude only had size, strength, and toughness. But he used to phuck people up with the skill equivalent of 6 weeks of training.

If you've watched Bob's fights. He would be tired, drop his hands and take huge breaths in the middle of fights. But then he would just become aggressive again, and phuck people up. Everyone thought the same thing Skill > Power and size... "He'll get tired"... When people are tough minded, they can work through that. The Mountain is not a weak minded person.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T0fqofA4og

The mountain would ragdoll Conor.
Than again a young Bob Sapp was a pretty unique animal. Lots of huge fighters out there, who didn't have Sapp's tenacity and instead of running through punches ended up turtling up. He was insanely hungry and reckless for himself and his oponents. Also Sapp had a couple of months of full time training before he stepped into the ring, which compared to 2-time-a week-hobbyists like me is the training we get in years.
Also it didn't take long for Sapp's career to get derailed and him to turn into some jobber taking falls.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Some cardio training, he would be fine. He only playfully grabbed Connor in 17 seconds, if he was going full power Connor would be thrown around like a ragdoll.
they were both playfully sparring to be fair

cardio training wouldn't help. i've been training cardio intensively along with my bodybuilding routine for years. i thought i was a conditioned machine. but when i started kickboxing... it was an entirely different beast. i sweated for the first time after like 5 minutes

but yeah the mountain with like 10 classes of kickboxing classes would dominate
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Originally Posted By hotsaucebrah⏩
220lb+ BJJ black belt Anthony Smith couldn't submit 165lb former hs wrestler crackhead. BJJ is becoming like the karate McDojos if the past, everyone 'trains' and has a belt.:



I dont recall Smith saying he attempted a submission on the guy though. I could be wrong but if I recall correctly, he pretty much just beat him up for 4 minutes before the cops got there lol
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Originally Posted By I3igAl⏩
Than again a young Bob Sapp was a pretty unique animal. Lots of huge fighters out there, who didn't have Sapp's tenacity and instead of running through punches ended up turtling up. He was insanely hungry and reckless for himself and his oponents. Also Sapp had a couple of months of full time training before he stepped into the ring, which compared to 2-time-a week-hobbyists like me is the training we get in years.
Also it didn't take long for Sapp's career to get derailed and him to turn into some jobber taking falls.
Fair points.

I still think that the Mountain would dominate Connor. Those heavyweights who didn't do as well as Bob in his prime, were normally fighting other heavyweights. Whereas The Mountain significantly outweighs Connor, and has deadlifted over 1000lbs.
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Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Pretty much this - obviously if the person has friends and it not 1v1 then wrestling suddenly isn't as great.

Honestly I believe for actual self defense/"street fighting" that Judo beats out wrestling though- speaking as someone very partial and biased toward Wrestling. Though of course I mean real Judo where they really apply it (randori and even better if they compete) it - and not some McDojo.

Boxing is great though, and a very good asset for self defense.
\Where do you go to learn Judo proficiently in the U.S.? I'm biased towards wrestling because you're going through a program at a young age, hs, and then college if you're good enough. I wrestled 4 years in hs and it has saved my ass before, knowing how to sprawl innately without thinking, leverage, positioning, etc. I don't know how you replicate that training environment as an adult.

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Originally Posted By hotsaucebrah⏩
220lb+ BJJ black belt Anthony Smith couldn't submit 165lb former hs wrestler crackhead. BJJ is becoming like the karate McDojos if the past, everyone 'trains' and has a belt.:



A UFC fighter having a black belt means it's a McDojo?
It seems he mounted and ground and pounded the guy from the top, what we can gather from the interview, but the other guy wouldn't give up. Sounds like BJJ helped helped a lot.
Why would he risk his position for a submission attempt especially if the other dude might have a knife if he can just hold on and keep hitting the guy?
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Originally Posted By 2RDEYE⏩
they were both playfully sparring to be fair

cardio training wouldn't help. i've been training cardio intensively along with my bodybuilding routine for years. i thought i was a conditioned machine. but when i started kickboxing... it was an entirely different beast. i sweated for the first time after like 5 minutes

but yeah the mountain with like 10 classes of kickboxing classes would dominate
Cardio training does help, but it has to be training catered to the kind of movements of MMA (or for whatever combat sport). Also, I messed up, I honestly meant Cardio/Endurance training.

This kind of thing...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVfrvVYwk_w



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQDmzEzcadU

I agree though that general cardio training (e.g. an elliptical machine, jogging, etc) can't be relied on for fight fitness.
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[QUOTE=hotsaucebrah post_id=1602587381]\

Where do you go to learn Judo proficiently in the U.S.? I'm biased towards wrestling because you're going through a program at a young age, hs, and then college if you're good enough. I wrestled 4 years in hs and it has saved my ass before, knowing how to sprawl innately without thinking, leverage, positioning, etc. I don't know how you replicate that training environment as an adult.

[youtube]M1ov0uLcB6w[/youtube[/QUOTE]Don't know, such places exit - whether or not you have any near you is a completely different matter. You would of course probably have better shot of finding a BJJ school around you where you find that sort of environment and a lot more opportunities to compete.

Judo (granted BJJ is derived from Judo) just doesn't have the same level of popularity.
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Originally Posted By Gt3x24x7⏩
You don't need any fancy moves or styles. Just go for the eyes, throat, heart, groin, kidneys, liver, chest diaphragm, and back of the head for the brain. Muay Thai is my style.
Muay thai is the bizness. if chit get out of hand you can put them in the thai plum for control and still do elbows and knees. Not to mention a muay thai leg kick would put the average person on pause, let alone a good trip.
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Boxing + wrestling is all you need.
For the most part. Certainly a striking and grappling background it can be bjj/wrestling/sambo, etc.
Originally Posted By SwimToTheMoon⏩
Lol at some people hating on bjj for street fights..You're obviously not going to fuking pull guard when you're standing but since most fights end up on the ground it will be so easy for a trained grappler to get the advantage there.. Having said that I do think muay thai/kickboxing is the best for streetfights.
Maintain distance, less contact more damage than grappling, better if there are wild cards like more people behind you or if they have a weapon (can run away easier).
This chit needs to be preached much more anytime BJJ comes up the misc yo. If you're pulling guard in the streets you're a dum dum. BJJ is effective as ****, and with no-gi jiu jitsu and 10th planet jiu jitsu in the mix it's especially effective in the streets. But any good teacher/coach should tell you that while BJJ can help you defend off your back, being on the ground is the last place where you'd want to be in a street fight.

Descalating/walking away should be the first to handle fights. If chit hits the fan then, if it's one on one do what chu gotta do. Multiple attackers, anyone should just run(cardio is another martial art)
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Originally Posted By AgentSkyhawk⏩
Muay thai is the bizness. if chit get out of hand you can put them in the thai plum for control and still do elbows and knees. Not to mention a muay thai leg kick would put the average person on pause, let alone a good trip.



For the most part. Certainly a striking and grappling background it can be bjj/wrestling/sambo, etc.



This chit needs to be preached much more anytime BJJ comes up the misc yo. If you're pulling guard in the streets you're a dum dum. BJJ is effective as ****, and with no-gi jiu jitsu and 10th planet jiu jitsu in the mix it's especially effective in the streets. But any good teacher/coach should tell you that while BJJ can help you defend off your back, being on the ground is the last place where you'd want to be in a street fight.

Descalating/walking away should be the first to handle fights. If chit hits the fan then, if it's one on one do what chu gotta do. Multiple attackers, anyone should just run(cardio is another martial art)
One vid that goes into more detail is lawrence kenshin's vid

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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Cardio training does help, but it has to be training catered to the kind of movements of MMA (or for whatever combat sport). Also, I messed up, I honestly meant Cardio/Endurance training.

This kind of thing...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVfrvVYwk_w



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQDmzEzcadU

I agree though that general cardio training (e.g. an elliptical machine, jogging, etc) can't be relied on for fight fitness.
yeah this stuff would help. my coach got me on those rope things too. i keep forgetting the name... damnn i could not do those lol. like any circuit, functional training circuit, is a totally different beast than regular cardio. i can do stairmaster on a pretty extreme speed properly for more than 40 minutes, without pounding or holding handles, back straight, and i've been working fast-paced manual labour my whole life, but the first time i did a functional training circuit... oh man... i've never sweat so hard before, never been so exhausted. and you even get short rest breaks with these circuits.

this is how i imagine the mountain would do his first time conditioning

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I mean a punch to the chin is the most straightforward way to put someone down, so boxing is definitely the best, but not the only.

Maybe kickboxing if only for the extra reach, but only if you're great at it.

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Originally Posted By 2RDEYE⏩
yeah this stuff would help. my coach got me on those rope things too. i keep forgetting the name... damnn i could not do those lol. like any circuit, functional training circuit, is a totally different beast than regular cardio. i can do stairmaster on a pretty extreme speed properly for more than 40 minutes, without pounding or holding handles, back straight, and i've been working fast-paced manual labour my whole life, but the first time i did a functional training circuit... oh man... i've never sweat so hard before, never been so exhausted. and you even get short rest breaks with these circuits.

this is how i imagine the mountain would do his first time conditioning

battle ropes?
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Originally Posted By Sil3nt1⏩
battle ropes?
yep that's the one. first time i did that made it look like i never exercised my entire life. my coach was like move those arms! keep moving! keep moving! don't stop! make them bigger waves damn it! **** meeee man. i kept dropping the ropes. i was like wtfff, trained hard my whole life, but i can't do this. that was just part of the circuit

if u guys want to sort of train like for mma. do pause and explosive reps. my coach showed me that. i improved a lot in speed and striking when i switched some of my bodybuilding exercises to pause and explosiveness.
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Someone asked where you can find a Judo club in the USA:

https://www.teamusa.org/usa-judo/about-us/find-a-club

https://www.usja.net/clubs

It's just not as popular as karate, tkd, kung fu I guess, and bjj...but it's out there in every state. BJJ is usually professional, and Judo is more I would describe as enthusiasts. So, the clubs are usually kind of small...it's often an adjunct to bjj school or a karate school. You might need to go to more than one club if you want to train a lot.

Sambo is not everywhere though...I would like to try using their jackets. Adult freestyle and Greco roman wrestling isn't really around here afaik.
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Originally Posted By StefStefenson⏩
Inb4 some dudes that don't realize that rolling around on the floor with another dude when there are no rules and he can eye gouge or squeeze your ballsack really isn't worth it come here to tell you about how Brock Lesnar would kick any boxer's a$$ srs.

People are just stupid and don't think practically.Even more cringy are the 100 pounds girls that think they could defend an attacker because they know BJJ.
BRB letting some grill try for 10 minutes straight to secure that triangle choke if you knows what i means
It's not even about that. It's about his homies kicking you in the face or ribs while you're on-top of the only guy you thought you were fighting. If you go down at all vs more than one guy, you are finished regardless of how quickly you handle the first guy.
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Yeah boxing is the best.
You can basically 1-3 punch stop 95% of people, and it happens incredibly fast.

Wrestling is also great, but if you go to the ground and there’s anyone else you can easily get rekt by a kick or whatever to the face/body.
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Originally Posted By yewotm8⏩
It's not even about that. It's about his homies kicking you in the face or ribs while you're on-top of the only guy you thought you were fighting. If you go down at all vs more than one guy, you are finished regardless of how quickly you handle the first guy.
Yeah wrestling/bjj skill would just be like a helpful skill to have in a fight. If you're trying to fight a guy you're using fists first and staying on your feet. There's literally no reason to choose grappling and wearing yourself out vs throwing a single punch and dropping them.
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
Yeah wrestling/bjj skill would just be like a helpful skill to have in a fight. If you're trying to fight a guy you're using fists first and staying on your feet. There's literally no reason to choose grappling and wearing yourself out vs throwing a single punch and dropping them.
depends where you're fighting. tight places would be hard as a boxer. narrow spaces like the size of a sidewalk would be difficult, or if the guy is already up close to you, like you're in a line up to the club or in a grocery store or something, and you don't have the room to maneuver because there's so many people around. then ****. but a boxer vs someone who doesn't know how to fight would probably land a few good punches to do the trick. but if the opponent has been in a fight before or is physically tough then well it's gonna be a struggle
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Originally Posted By 2RDEYE⏩
depends where you're fighting. tight places would be hard as a boxer. narrow spaceslike the size of a sidewalkwould be difficult,
Nah, I've been suckerpunched (very hard) on a sidewalk. I also beat the guy up, on a sidewalk.

The sidewalk is only big enough to have 2 people walking side by side at a time.

A lot of boxers learn to work close in, through close range boxing and fouling e.g. headbutts (of course, they aren't as good as dirty boxing as an MMA fighter).
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I mean wrestling is one of the goats for actual combat.
Wrestling gives you a tenacity most people just aren’t going to have compared to other sports at the amateur level or below.
Sure 1 lucky punch can always knock someone out, but 1 slam onto the pavement or hard floor will finish someone just as easy, if not easier, it’s not like a wrestler also isn’t going to be hitting you on the ground either.

There aren’t really any open wrestling clubs for adults for the inexperienced, and if you pick it up outside of your teens you just aren’t going to be as effective, but it definitely is practical

I do agree boxing>bjj even though it does incorporate some wrestling
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Why not just go to an MMA gym and learn it all? if your a boxer who gets taken down your phuked, same applies if your a BJJ guy and you take on a muay thai fighter, good luck getting in close to take him down whilst hes teeing off on you like a punch bag.

This bouncer clearly does MMA notice the leg kick the sprawl, the clinch and the throw, as brutal as the KO is his MMA saved him, obviously the fight was avoidable but look at it from a fighting perspective.
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Originally Posted By Sil3nt1⏩
Boxing has rules. Street fights have no rules. So boxing is not usable on the street.
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Originally Posted By BeerStein⏩
Boxing has rules. Street fights have no rules. So boxing is not usable on the street.
UFC used to not have rules
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