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post 1553818821 06-14-2018, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
The extra 50lbs of total weight =/= 50lbs load added to the pec alone, it is split between other muscles, most notably the lats.
Lmao now thats some bro science

The extra weight is down to the lack of stabilisation required, same reason why standing ohp is harder than seated

Now i know people use activation of stabilisers as a pro, but i don’t understand why thats a positive. For hypertrophy, they are insignificant muscles and for strength the standard is the barbell bench press
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
I'm not sure where I have provided anecdotes as counterpoints to the discussion.

The extra 50lbs of total weight =/= 50lbs load added to the pec alone, it is split between other muscles, most notably the lats.
Nor have I. I prefaced my statement with FWIW specifically for that reason.

You also managed to invalidate your claim that DBs are safer on your own which was nice of you to do.

Great. I never said that an extra 50lbs of bar weight was going to translate to 50lbs on the pecs. That's an assumption you've made. Regardless, you agree that load matters and you're mostly supporting my point.

Why would a barbell movement load the lats anymore than a DB movement? I don't agree with that at all. Lat loading in the bench press is minimal. It only appears that way because good benchers externally rotate their shoulders which engages the lats for stabilization. There's no actual work being done.
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Originally Posted By LukeS1⏩
Lmao now thats some bro science

The extra weight is down to the lack of stabilisation required, same reason why standing ohp is harder than seated
nah... I think OP is onto something. His lifting math and science is strong like Luke Skywalker. OP can you please provide the elusive smith machine bench to freeweight bench formula? It would help all the noobs out there a lot... ya know... the "If I can do 185x5 on the smith machine, how much can I do for 5 on regular bench?"
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lol, no my feelings are not hurt...no one here as that capability. And lol @ the bro science that’s now being used.

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post 1553819531 06-14-2018, 11:07 AM
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With OP's logic, no one should be doing pressing of any kind. Shhh no tears only flies now
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Lmao WTF am I reading in this thread.

Pick up heavy things. Put them back down. When that becomes easy... Pick up heavier things. Rinse and repeat.

At some point that dumbbell isn't going to cut it. And unless you have some anthropomologic birth defect or anatomy problem, you should be able to bench safely.

Maybe your programming was the problem... Max benching 3x/week for 4 weeks. Lol. Accident waiting to happen and the opposite of lifting for longevity
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post 1553821741 06-14-2018, 11:32 AM
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Do both, variety is good for the muscles IMO along with my own mental sanity of going to the gym for 12 years.
Lately I do less BB because of my shoulder injury so being in a fixed position is not ideal.
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I'm not trying to state what I was saying about the load of weights as a fact, I'm asking it as a question, hence "correct me if I'm wrong" the first time I said it.

I legitimately would like to understand more clearly how much one benefits from implementing the barbell bench into a regime that does everything else omitting the one movement.
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post 1553836791 06-14-2018, 02:28 PM
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for overall muscle and joint health/longevity...yes, it is by far, the safest of the two.

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Or just do both? lmao
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Originally Posted By JamesA1990⏩
ITT DB copers dont realise chicks get soaked when they see a big bench bench press
Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
lol if you think they're not gasping for air when they see 3 digi DB's getting tossed around like cotton candy.
TFW I thought you guys were the same person
post 1553843041 06-14-2018, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
I'm not trying to state what I was saying about the load of weights as a fact, I'm asking it as a question, hence "correct me if I'm wrong" the first time I said it.

I legitimately would like to understand more clearly how much one benefits from implementing the barbell bench into a regime that does everything else omitting the one movement.
As a natty, building a really good strength base is the most important thing in achieving a good physique. While you can get strong on dumbbells, the lower overall weight you have to use, paired with realistically being limited to rep ranges above 5 means its inferior to barbell bench for this.

With proper control, dumbbells give you better isolation, better rom and a deeper stretch. Thing is though this can all be found with other chest excersies (cable flyes, pec dec, hammer strength etc etc). Meanwhile no other excerise really builds pressing strength in the horizontal plane like barbell bench, theres just no substitute for what it offers.

Both are great excersises, but barbell bench is an essential, dumbbell bench is an optional extra
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post 1553849191 06-14-2018, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
strength does not matter for bodybuilding. sick of this stuff being preached. I see so many guys stronger than me at the gym that look like absolute garbage, especially people who deadlift
It does. When you can bench press 315 for 5 reps it's a given that you can bench press 225 for reps and that's why strength is important.
Oh and deadlift, especially stiff leg deadlift is one of the best exercises ever for overall aesthetics and posture
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post 1553849321 06-14-2018, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
strength does not matter for bodybuilding. sick of this stuff being preached. I see so many guys stronger than me at the gym that look like absolute garbage, especially people who deadlift
youre like 130. You should start lifting heavy.
post 1553854721 06-14-2018, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
literally every guy who calls out my weight looks like garbage

fwiw, I am not 130, but idgaf, believe what you want

fukin lol
He looks better and is bigger than you tho.
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post 1553854991 06-14-2018, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
strength does not matter for bodybuilding. sick of this stuff being preached. I see so many guys stronger than me at the gym that look like absolute garbage, especially people who deadlift
Lmaoooo oh **** looks like some random internet phuck has figured it out.

If strength didn't matter for bodybuilding why are all of the greatest bodybuilders of all time insanely strong? Almost all ifbb buys can flat bench 400+ for multiple reps and squat 585 for reps

But yea keep telling yourself that lol
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Who cares which is better? Just lift heavy and aim to lift heavier with each session. I thought this was standard.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
literally every guy who calls out my weight looks like garbage

fwiw, I am not 130, but idgaf, believe what you want

fukin lol
you weigh less, and have the strength of a high school girl. stay coping twink
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
literally every guy who calls out my weight looks like garbage

fwiw, I am not 130, but idgaf, believe what you want

fukin lol
You’re 130...

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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Whoa you're so muscular!! So alpha.

Wow. hopefully one day I too can have the dedication to eat slightly above maintenance for a few years and do a cut for a few weeks to get your physique.

Hilarious how people take so much pride in regards to the weight. You're nothing special bro, sorry to burst your bubble
I was completely joking and you took it seriously lol...wow

But I did change your rate of people that look like chit saying what you weigh...
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Originally Posted By JohnnyRingo350⏩
Me wanting to come into this thread talking about how much I love DB press, then seeing all the arguing
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Originally Posted By LukeS1⏩
As a natty, building a really good strength base is the most important thing in achieving a good physique. While you can get strong on dumbbells, the lower overall weight you have to use, paired with realistically being limited to rep ranges above 5 means its inferior to barbell bench for this.

With proper control, dumbbells give you better isolation, better rom and a deeper stretch. Thing is though this can all be found with other chest excersies (cable flyes, pec dec, hammer strength etc etc). Meanwhile no other excerise really builds pressing strength in the horizontal plane like barbell bench, theres just no substitute for what it offers.

Both are great excersises, but barbell bench is an essential, dumbbell bench is an optional extra
Tempted to start barbell benching again.

Strength does matter to me for sure, although injury prevention even more. Could the hammer strength machine sub for the barbell press since it stabilizes the weight left to right for you?
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
literally every guy who calls out my weight looks like garbage

fwiw, I am not 130, but idgaf, believe what you want

fukin lol
my physique is better than yours, you also said in another thread you were in the 130s.
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The plane of motion in the DB press is better suited for chest development than BB bench because it allows for more horizontal adduction (although still not ideal, cable press or hammer press are ideal). I don't know why this is such an argument. BB bench lets you move more weight, other variations allow greater emphasis on the chest.

How are there people who are past novice stage who don't know the difference between moving a weight from A to B and training for maximal muscle tension? They are completely different goals that require completely different training. If you're training for maximum strength don't pretend what you're doing is optimal for development and vice versa. I think Jordan Peters sums this up better than me.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Is this a serious question? There are multiple ways of getting size, it's just that strength isn't the most optimal

Look at Jay Cutler vs Ronnie Coleman, their size is fairly the same, one went the powerlifting route and now his body is completely fuked up due to injuries, the other went the bodybuilding route and he's still injury free but weak for his size

As for why bodybuilders are strong as fuk, when you take as much juice as they do it's fairly obvious isn't it?

The guys I know who are big as fuk do not lift heavy for their size



Whoa you're so muscular!! So alpha.

Wow. hopefully one day I too can have the dedication to eat slightly above maintenance for a few years and do a cut for a few weeks to get your physique.

Hilarious how people take so much pride in regards to their weight. You're nothing special bro, sorry to burst your bubble
You might actually be retarded. Go lift your 25 lb dumbbells and 135 straight bar and get jacked bro. Strength don't matter lmaoo
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dumbell press is a manlet exercise.And then you have the little clowns needing help to get into position because they are unable to do it themselves.
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Originally Posted By Joseph1990⏩
Tempted to start barbell benching again.

Strength does matter to me for sure, although injury prevention even more. Could the hammer strength machine sub for the barbell press since it stabilizes the weight left to right for you?
Hammer strength doesn't build strength in the same way, the eccentric portion in particular is completely different to having a barbell on your chest

Try benching a bit narrower, and lower on your chest while pausing. I think this eliminates any problems for most people, and going narrower increases ROM as well
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
strength does not matter for bodybuilding. sick of this stuff being preached. I see so many guys stronger than me at the gym that look like absolute garbage, especially people who deadlift
Strength itself doesn't matter for bodybuilding, but I've never seen a natty that looks big that didn't have good strength in squats, bench, pull ups, rows. Deadlifts aren't as important for bodybuilding purposes but still useful
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DB press today, BB press next time

push ups today, hammer strength next time

dips today, pec deck next time

smith bench today, and no more chest lifts i'd do to put in here for next time
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