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any legit martial art trumps no martial art.

Don't matter if it's BJJ or boxing, against a untrained person out in the world with no rules they're gunna have a huge advantage.



That said...Muay Thai is the best one ayy lmao

sprinkle in some judo too (cause irl fights involve clothed bodies)


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As long as you don't use some Mc'dojo **** like Kung Fu or Aikido, and are in decent shape, it will all be situational.

In 1v1 fights though, the most common dudes who **** somebody up are grapplers/wrestlers. Just in my experience.
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Originally Posted By rjthegreat10⏩
Why not just go to an MMA gym and learn it all? if your a boxer who gets taken down your phuked, same applies if your a BJJ guy and you take on a muay thai fighter, good luck getting in close to take him down whilst hes teeing off on you like a punch bag.

This bouncer clearly does MMA notice the leg kick the sprawl, the clinch and the throw, as brutal as the KO is his MMA saved him, obviously the fight was avoidable but look at it from a fighting perspective.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Nah, not in an adrenalized state. (I've held a Thai pad against my leg for a dude who trained Muay Thai for years to kick, my leg seized up within 3 minutes. I'm not underestimating how hard the kick is, but when a grown man - who isn't a wimp - is enraged... Leg kicks aren't what I would advise anyone to go for.)

Unless you can kick as hard as a pro Muay Thai fighter.

Sweeps would be good.
A good leg kick basically is a sweep if you know what you’re doing and your opponent is standing heavy on their legs like 99% of “street fighters” do. They’re not expecting it and throws them off balance straight away if they don’t fall down they still stagger and open themselves up for the next thing you want to throw. Push kicks are good to keep the distance too
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Nah, I've been suckerpunched (very hard) on a sidewalk. I also beat the guy up, on a sidewalk.

The sidewalk is only big enough to have 2 people walking side by side at a time.

A lot of boxers learn to work close in, through close range boxing and fouling e.g. headbutts (of course, they aren't as good as dirty boxing as an MMA fighter).
i mean the actual size of the sidewalk, not an actual sidewalk lol... like a tiny space narrow space. specifically narrow. boxers really only learn how to fight against other boxers. well idk my coach taught me things specifically to fight against a wrestler, or someone aiming to take me down, or tackle, as well cause i asked specifically about that but it's not really core skills of a boxer...counter-takedowns, my coach teaches jujitsu as well, but i haven't gone that route yet
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truth.

i box and dont typically lose street fights provided that i lay out the rules beforehand. hands only, if we go to the ground then auto-reset, no sucker punches. if my hands arent up then assume im not ready

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didn't read thread but to be obvious.... kickboxing or muay thai obv better cuz u get more limbs
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Only if you have the safety off, and you are carrying it around in your hand at all times.

If you think I'm mistaken...



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yeah

maybe its worth just not being in the situation in the first place. the fighting should be a last resort. its mostly psychological, ambushes. mma and shooting, is controlled but street is no control
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Originally Posted By davik⏩
yeah

maybe its worth just not being in the situation in the first place. the fighting should be a last resort. its mostly psychological, ambushes. mma and shooting, is controlled but street is no control
yeah all the street fights i've been in i was jumped or attacked out of nowhere. pattern in getting attacked, from a victim (me), they always go for a grab or try to take you down or a push I think. it never goes to punches, they know they wont be able to do **** with punches because nobody who hasn't been trained in how to punch knows how to punch lol

i got jumped in an alleyway one time. was just walking, mother****er grabbed me from behind and dropped me. we both got ****ed when we hit the concrete lol, but i started bashing his head in while still being grappled on the ground, adrenaline/life or death kicks in, it's just really gritty and dirty fighting. i got lucky cause i punched the guys head a lot and he literally got up and ran away it was weird... if it was the states he'd probably pull a gun on me lol
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Originally Posted By rjthegreat10⏩
Why not just go to an MMA gym and learn it all? if your a boxer who gets taken down your phuked, same applies if your a BJJ guy and you take on a muay thai fighter, good luck getting in close to take him down whilst hes teeing off on you like a punch bag.

This bouncer clearly does MMA notice the leg kick the sprawl, the clinch and the throw, as brutal as the KO is his MMA saved him, obviously the fight was avoidable but look at it from a fighting perspective.
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Originally Posted By rjthegreat10⏩
Why not just go to an MMA gym and learn it all? if your a boxer who gets taken down your phuked,same applies if your a BJJ guy and you take on a muay thai fighter, good luck getting in close to take him down whilst hes teeing off on you like a punch bag.

This bouncer clearly does MMA notice the leg kick the sprawl, the clinch and the throw, as brutal as the KO is his MMA saved him, obviously the fight was avoidable but look at it from a fighting perspective.
Man...you have such a better chance as a BJJ guy (grappler in general).

As a former "ground fighting is beneath me" guy, I would have been absolutely wrecked. Hell, we even saw a geriatric Randy Couture wreck James Toney in an MMA fight with relative ease.

Does anyone really doubt that it's easier to avoid getting ktfo than to avoid getting wrecked on the ground?

I also think a lot of people think that grappling only works on the ground. Grappling works on the feet, too -- that's how it ends up on the ground. Boxing off your back doesn't work very well
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Originally Posted By gtg⏩
kickboxer can finish finish the boxer from distance

UberReem was a scary mofo.
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Originally Posted By Nicklol⏩
probably
but a wrestler will beat him in a street fight

id rather be good at everything and not limit myself
I remember watching a Bellator tournament a couple years ago.

The dude who won it was some ass-whipe wearing a hula-skirt.
He had these massive hooks he just kept doing over and over accompanied by a "hssssss" sound.

100% one trick poney. The piece of crap won the tournament too.
Was pretty embrassing to watch, the competition was that bad.
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Originally Posted By 2RDEYE⏩
yeah all the street fights i've been in i was jumped or attacked out of nowhere. pattern in getting attacked, from a victim (me), they always go for a grab or try to take you down or a push I think. it never goes to punches, they know they wont be able to do **** with punches because nobody who hasn't been trained in how to punch knows how to punch lol

i got jumped in an alleyway one time. was just walking, mother****er grabbed me from behind and dropped me. we both got ****ed when we hit the concrete lol, but i started bashing his head in while still being grappled on the ground, adrenaline/life or death kicks in, it's just really gritty and dirty fighting. i got lucky cause i punched the guys head a lot and he literally got up and ran away it was weird... if it was the states he'd probably pull a gun on me lol
All you've got to worry about now is being stabbed (a far easier tool for any human being to easily obtain).
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Not the only one, but I do believe it's the best.

1) Most fights are ended because someone gets overwhelmed or KO'd by hitting the head.

2) It gets you used to being hit (that honestly saved me in the only 2 street fights that I've been in. I was used to getting hit in boxing training, so I didn't panic when I got suckerpunched a few times. In fact, I was just phucking enraged.)

3) Having both feet on the ground is good for stability.
I forgot to add the 4th reason why I said "I do believe it's the best"...

It's cheap and everywhere, in comparison to an MMA gym.

MMA training would be the best, IMO, if it were cheaper. However, (at least here in the UK), boxing is dirt cheap for 3X training, whilst MMA gyms charge a lot more in comparison. (With a lot of seemingly bad coaching, based on a friends experience.)
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Originally Posted By davik⏩
yeah

maybe its worth just not being in the situation in the first place. the fighting should be a last resort. its mostly psychological, ambushes. mma and shooting, is controlled but street is no control
I agree.

This thread seems to just be about the physical side of self protection, and which combat sport is best for that. But, I do agree that it's important to say that, in case there are impressionable people reading, who think that street fighting is 'cool'.

I honestly do believe that awareness, avoidance, and good social skills are the best forms of self protection. (I've been in many situations where I've spotted people looking for someone - or me specifically - to start trouble with, but I've either outright avoided them, starved them of attention until they got bored, or I've walked away. Nobody really wants to hear those stories, from anyone, though... Guys always want to hear about you phuckin someone up.)

Note: I disagree with the vid title, and opening message though. Boxers and MMA guys can adapt their training to Self protection (e.g. they can have drills built around ambushes, and many self protection trainers have MMA training/sparring as a fundamental part of their training. There is also combat shooting training, where people are taught how to prepare for ambushes.)
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Originally Posted By Evil_D⏩
All you've got to worry about now is being stabbed (a far easier tool for any human being to easily obtain).
takes a lot of repetitive practice to be able to even semi-reliably stop a knife attack. Good fukking luck doing it with zero training/practice.
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
takes a lot of repetitive practice to be able to even semi-reliably stop a knife attack. Good fukking luck doing it with zero training/practice.
It's so easy to get messed up with a knife too, because there are a lot of unexpectedly bad spots to get stabbed or cut on.
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I think Muay Thai is very reasonable for any sort of fighting situation
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Originally Posted By veggie530⏩
Man...you have such a better chance as a BJJ guy (grappler in general).

As a former "ground fighting is beneath me" guy, I would have been absolutely wrecked. Hell, we even saw a geriatric Randy Couture wreck James Toney in an MMA fight with relative ease.

Does anyone really doubt that it's easier to avoid getting ktfo than to avoid getting wrecked on the ground?

I also think a lot of people think that grappling only works on the ground. Grappling works on the feet, too -- that's how it ends up on the ground. Boxing off your back doesn't work very well
My point being is learn MMA so you have knowledge of striking, clinching and grappling, if your in a bar fight its a danger taking a fight to the floor as other people can kick you in the face etc. However if your in a 1v1 in the streets then grappling could be the way to go.
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Originally Posted By lsiberian⏩
It's so easy to get messed up with a knife too, because there are a lot of unexpectedly bad spots to get stabbed or cut on.
Yeah if you escape a knife attack with only superficial slashes on your forearms then you won the game. Luckily most people instinctively attack in only a couple general ways with a knife (overhand arc, or the underhand swing into the torso/stomach) so if you are really good at stopping those movements you got a decent chance of making it.
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
Yeah if you escape a knife attack with only superficial slashes on your forearms then you won the game. Luckily most people instinctively attack in only a couple general ways with a knife (overhand arc, or the underhand swing into the torso/stomach) so if you are really good at stopping those movements you got a decent chance of making it.
lol @ anyone here acting like they could fight someone with a knife.

You know how there are fighting styles specifically designed for knife disarming? Masters of those fighting styles get ****ed up hard by rubber and shock knives the second they're out of a controlled sparring session (all over youtube).

Your literal best choice with a knife against you is to either run the **** away, or have a more intimidating weapon. One unlucky slash that the attacker doesn't even need to be aiming for could mean extreme blood loss.
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Originally Posted By Shayded⏩
lol @ anyone here acting like they could fight someone with a knife.

You know how there are fighting styles specifically designed for knife disarming? Masters of those fighting styles get ****ed up hard by rubber and shock knives the second they're out of a controlled sparring session (all over youtube).

Your literal best choice with a knife against you is to either run the **** away, or have a more intimidating weapon. One unlucky slash that the attacker doesn't even need to be aiming for could mean extreme blood loss.
Yeah should be

1. run away

2. If cannot run, have a gun.

3. If no gun, grab the nearest improvised weapon or object that can be used to fend the knife attack off, like a barstool. Use environment to keep attacker away, like tables/chairs/walls/etc.

4. If just on your own with bare hands, try to gain control over the knife wielding arm without getting fatally stabbed/slashed in the process. Good luck tho lol better be athletic af and lucky. It's better to let them initiate an attack and then interrupt it vs grab at their arm when they aren't actively attacking you.

Some srs high stakes chit though, just run away whenever possible
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Originally Posted By Shayded⏩
lol @ anyone here acting like they could fight someone with a knife.

You know how there are fighting styles specifically designed for knife disarming? Masters of those fighting styles get ****ed up hard by rubber and shock knives the second they're out of a controlled sparring session (all over youtube).

Your literal best choice with a knife against you is to either run the **** away, or have a more intimidating weapon. One unlucky slash that the attacker doesn't even need to be aiming for could mean extreme blood loss.
Yep...

I've faced a guy who broke a bottle in a fight. How I 'won'... I literally ran away.

Don't phuck around and be an idiot. Only fight someone with a sharp weapon, if you have literally no way of escaping.
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