There is no logical answer to OPs question

It's because Eve and Adam were deceived into eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil instead of choosing to eat from the tree of life and living in paradise (SRS).

Before the fall of man, humans lived forever, but upon eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, death and diseases entered the reality for humans - thus did the possibility of infants dying.

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Qualia is the concept that your subjective experience contains knowledge about what it is like to be a conscious being experiencing a certain situation. That is, as you view a red apple, there is a fact about what it is like to see it. There is a shape and a color appearing in your specific visual field in that moment, and exactly what it is like to see it is only available to you.

God is omniscient by definition. So, God also gets this knowledge. He gets every detail, down to the shine on the apple which you see. He also gets every other perception you have including all of your senses, and also your internal dialog because there is also a what it is like to experience that. All together, God is getting a complete bundle of your experience in every moment of your life. He doesn't just know that you walked down a hall, but also knows what you saw and felt and everything about what it was like for you to experience it, because if He doesn't then that is information which He lacks and thus violates omniscience.

God could assign a Holy Guardian Angel to collect this information for Him. Or, He could get a copy of it some other way which we'll never understand. But, Occam's razor suggests we avoid unnecessary ontological extravagance. This would then suggest we eliminate the copy, and God then gets the information directly. And if that's the case, you suddenly realize you are part of God...walking the Earth, as part of creation but you see creation itself is not some separate thing from God but perhaps an emmanation of God. You would be one of God's billions of avatars enacting His will and divine plan...to a purpose unknowable to humans except that you would probably conclude your part is God enacting everything that will ever be done for His glory..."a time to every purpose under heaven."Pantheism identifies God with the universe and imo does fall short right in the way you describe.

Panentheism includes the entire universe in God, yet asserts God is more than the universe. I personally subscribe to panentheism, as something like the KCA suggests the universe was created by an immaterial, atemporal cause, which one might say is God. God being the Being "before" the universe, or standing outside of the universe whatever that would mean. However, the creation itself would be God choosing to organize part of Himself...extending Himself as the universe inflates and does all of the things we see it doing.

The problem with panentheism as I see it is that you're still left baffled as to why God wants to experience both [anything at all] and [all of the horrible things sentient beings inevitably will]...and still retain omnibenevalence. If God's only hurting Himself, for whatever reason, you're escaping the logical argument of evil but the inductive one is still there (as it is for every formulation of God afaik). And that suggests God is completely great despite not being completely good as humans would conceive of it.

That might be as good as it gets. Saying God is completely good from the human perspective probably isn't required unless you're haggling over some kind of scripture issue for a specific religion.

Ok so if I understand correctly, then every parent should kill their child to give it less time to commit evil, so that when the time of judgement comes, their precious little baby will go directly into the arms of the Most High Yahweh Father God. Thanks for explaining and clearing that up.

I only have one question though… why aren’t parents already doing this? They must be insane to willingly subject their child to living with the chance of committing evil, rather than just murdering them immediately to prevent that from happening.

Pantheism is also called Idolatry - i.e., worshipping the creation rather than the creator and calling the creation god.No, because that's murder - thou shalt not murderLife experience (SRS) - I was involved with hinduism which includes stuff like yoga and tantra... that stuff is very real.... experieneced ans saw some sh*t that you can never unexperience.

If you think hinduism is mythological, you have to wonder why 1+ billion people believe in its concepts...

aren't you wincel btw?

I know dude, yoga is very real, my mom one time did a 15 minute yoga class and was transported to a different dimension. I only recommend yoga to those who want to have life experience (srs)

Yoga is a form of worship of hindu deities - each body posture is designed to evoke, invoke, and yoke with a hindu deity - which in Christianity are called demons.

Yoga is much than just the stretching though - but the yoga stretching is DIRECTLY connected to hinduism and is the hindu version of prayer.

Like when you use your hands to create 'mudras' which are seals it's like people drawing up seals of certain demons and chanting their names

Ok but as a parent you should be wishing and hoping and praying for your child to die young by being murdered or from an illness, because that way they get saved from committing evil. Gotcha, and thanks for explaining all this stuff to me.

Makes me wonder why parents even take their children to the doctor, or give them medicine/vaccines, all they’re doing is keeping them alive longer so they can commit evil and then be damned to hell for eternity

These stupid parents have it all wrong, all backwards…it’s sick and cruel of them to be keeping their children alive like this. They should be begging The Most High Yahweh Father God on their hands and knees every minute of every hour to kill their child as soon as possible!

They should even include their child in the prayers. “Please Most High Yahweh Father God, give me an incurable illness, or have a madman murder me immediately, so that I die before ever committing evil and don’t have to go to hell for eternity. Amen”

It warms my heart just thinking about little Timmy or little Jane kneeling at their bedside with mommy, hands clasped in prayer, gazing up towards the heavens, praying desperately to the Most High Yahweh Father God to send a madman to butcher them up into pieces, or make them contract inoperable bone cancer, so they can pass away whilst still pure and sinless

I'm saying in the case that an innocent child dies, they can only get judged on the evil they commit, which will be minimum since children are innocent.... my understanding is that there will be a return of Jesus Christ and that's when ALL living and ALL dead will be judged.

You asking these difficult questions does not disprove God - although you've been given the free will to not believe

You think these are difficult questions? Asking why you think it’s preferable for children to die young so that they aren’t sent to hell is a difficult question? That’s not a difficult question at all, everyone knows it’s far better for children to die young and remain pure and sinless than risk going to hell.

I’m just trying to clarify things because you most definitely have a direct line to The Most High Yahweh Father God given your life experience (srs) and your involvement with yoga and tantra. Who better to ask these questions than you?

Well no matter what I say it's not going to change your mind, so what's your point?

First of all, what kind of defeatist attitude is that? Did Jesus Christ give up when the Pharisees scoffed at him? Did he say “what’s the point?” when the Jews said “crucify him, crucify him” to Pontius Pilate? When they shouted “we have no King but Caesar”, did the Son of God think “it doesn’t matter what I say”?

Secondly, given your life experience (srs) and involvement with yoga and tantra, there is no one better than you to answer these questions. If I’m not supposed to ask you, then who should I ask?

Thirdly, I’ve basically agreed with everything you’ve said thus far so I am puzzled as to why you are saying “what’s the point”? I now fully realize that it’s far more preferable for children to be brutally slaughtered by a serial killer whilst they are still young and pure, than to ever live to adulthood and thereby commit evil and be sent to hell when they die.

So this now begs the question, just how can a responsible and loving parent ensure that their child dies young so they are sent into the arms of The Most High Yahweh Father God, instead of living into adulthood?

We have already established that the parent cannot directly kill their child, since that is prohibited by the Commandment “Thou Shalt Not Kill”.

However, there is no Commandment against things like neglect, imprudence, irresponsibility, etc.

So let’s think of some scenarios in which a good parent can bring about their child’s death while not actually murdering them. Firstly, a parent could encourage their child to always talk to strangers and do whatever they say, and then leave them alone in public for extended periods of time. This will greatly increase the chances of them being snatched up by a child trafficker and thereby shuffling off the old “mortal coil” that much sooner.

When mommy realizes that little Timmy is nowhere to be found after having left him alone at the Mall for 6 hours, she can cry tears of joy and praise the Most High Yahweh Father God knowing that he will shortly be passing on into the next realm (heaven).


Mommy can also ensure that little Timmy gets sick at a young age by doing things like leaving him out in the sun for extended periods of time, taking him to the nearest nuclear power plant every weekend to visit the nice scientists, taking him for daily swims in stagnant ponds, feeding him a vegan diet, and refusing to have him vaccinated. This is not an exhaustive list, of course. Mommy can get very creative for the sake of little Timmy’s soul.

Hmmm, what are some other ways that mommy can make sure little Timmy is sent into the arms of the Most High Yahweh Father God as young as possible, whilst still obeying all of His blessed commandments?

Idk brah Spinoza was pretty smart.

It's not like the idea is to worship a tree or something.

Everything has an opposite and I’m glad I live in a world with amazing good in it even if it comes with it’s equal in evil.

Can’t change the rules of existence and expect the same experience so seems kinda shortsighted to just assume things would be better off without evil. Cuz then where’s the perspective for good?

some of the best minds on Earth have been deceived

Spinoza argues for the existence of God using a form of the ontological argument. God defined as a Being of substance with infinite attributes. Since no reason or cause could prevent such a Being from existing, he reasons that God must exist.

His line of reasoning continues that whatever exists, exists within God. Nothing can be conceived or exist without God. God being a substance/Being with infinite attributes, any attributes possessed by any other substance must be possessed by God.

Spinoza appears to stop here, which is pantheism. But panentheism would continue to assert that anything existing beyond substance also is possessed by God (whatever exists not in the Cosmos, aka supernatural being, other universes, forces giving rise to and sustaining the Cosmos, consciousness, extension of any attribute, etc...).

Anyway, it's rather hard to shoot Spinoza down without introducing the idea that God may not exist, which ontologically entails that He does not.

That's like arguing that the proof of a creator is that a car exists and has intelligence to it, so that means the car created it self - perfect if you wish to take away the glory from the engineer who designed and created the vehicle.

Obviously somebody created the thing, it didn't build it self.

It's crazy to think about how many babies, like a thousand years ago, died at birth (the mother as well). I mean, where do they go?

No, it's arguing that God has infinite attributes so any attribute belonging to a substance must be had by God.

No, it's arguing that a creation contains something divine about it, making it 'god' - which is a roundabout way of saying that there's no God and that something came out of nothing.

My belief is that there is an actual God, a literal Creator who made man and then the rest of creation - and He is NOT part of the creation, because He's God, The Creator of the Heavens and the earth.

You are a creation, as are all the ducks, trees, and non-physical entities that inhabit the spiritual realm(s) - these are PROOF of God, but they are not God.

It's funny how you don't hold this same standard for history. You know so many historical things we take as facts aren't "this writing directly says this from x author", it's using your mind to deduce what happened right?

This is his conclusion, not his argument.It's definitely not that. Spinoza starts with the definition of God as a Being with infinite attributes and argues that He must exist because there is no cause or reason which would prevent such a Being from existence...a version of the ontological argument.

Many other conceptions of God assert specifically that God creates the universe out of nothing. Spinoza is saying there is no conception of anything without conceiving of God.Spinoza says the various aspects of creation are modes of God, not that they are God themselves.

If you want to argue the divine out of the creation you have to argue God is not a Being of infinite attributes, not refer to dogma.

That's Idolatry.

Mind you, I've experienced occultism and magic and I know that the non-physical, spiritual realm is real, but even that is just a creation.

If somebody done magic in front of you and you saw things that would send you to the loony bin, that still isn't God, it's just creation.

God is the actual creator of the universe... Of the Heaven and the earth... Ghosts and biological matter are proof of a creator, but they are not in any way, shape, or form, God - or 'modes of God'.

God is separate to His creation, which is why he had to send Himself to the Earth through His Son, Jesus Christ to save those who wish to be saved/have eternal life.

Yes let's convolute actual recorded history with your make believe sky fairy cult. Brilliant!

Question begging.This isn't really isn't about pantheism/panentheism. However, you could use the sentiment you just said and claim miracles don't advance the case that Jesus is God."Spinoza’s God is the cause of all things because all things follow causally and necessarily from the divine nature."
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spinoza/How would you know that? Are you going to say God isn't a being of infinite attributes?How do you know that?It's usually put as an act of free will rather than "had to". Note, you also seem to limit God by asserting He couldn't have accomplished His goals without coming to Earth.

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