04-26-2024, 07:28 AM
#121
Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
yeah it's pretty great tbf
not cooming in a month will do that to you.
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04-26-2024, 07:29 AM
#122
Originally Posted By artdecade⏩
yeah I love it, that's why I only coom a couple times a month
yeah it's pretty great tbf
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04-26-2024, 07:31 AM
#123
Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
makes sense but mine's from not overstimulating myself with stuff that can't be matched in reality. I'm not really convinced about semen retention claims but do kinda see the logic
yeah I love it, that's why I only coom a couple times a month
04-26-2024, 07:34 AM
#124
Originally Posted By artdecade⏩
In regards to the theory, I thought a bit more about it and there's a flaw. Going to parties, or any large gatherings, based on this theory should result in less anxiety due to it being more stimulating and therefore the dopamine being higher. But the truth is I find parties and large groups of people the hardest to navigate and increases my anxiety more.
Had an interesting thought today. Realised that I never really felt socially anxious during job interviews or first dates. During events like these I was always confident and charming, showing really strong social skills. My anxiety was mainly based on mundane conversations, obviously with co-workers and strangers but even with friends and family members. Based on all the research I’ve been doing about pmo addiction’s impact on dopamine levels I think I’ve figured out why.
PMO addiction leads to desensitisation (brain produces less dopamine and reduces dopamine receptors, meaning you’re less sensitive to dopamine). Socialising in day-to-day context does not produce enough dopamine to register for me, I am not sensitive enough, leading to lack of interest, withdrawal, and anxiety. But situations like job interview or first dates, which are inherently far more stimulating, lead to producing more dopamine that does register for my brain. This leads to feeling more comfort, more confidence and no anxiety.
The typical person with social anxiety would experience heightened anxiety during these moments because it is a heightened social experience. The fact that I didn’t leads me to strongly believe that my issue is based on a lack of dopamine rather than anything psychological or pre-existing. This makes me hopeful that it will reverse.
PMO addiction leads to desensitisation (brain produces less dopamine and reduces dopamine receptors, meaning you’re less sensitive to dopamine). Socialising in day-to-day context does not produce enough dopamine to register for me, I am not sensitive enough, leading to lack of interest, withdrawal, and anxiety. But situations like job interview or first dates, which are inherently far more stimulating, lead to producing more dopamine that does register for my brain. This leads to feeling more comfort, more confidence and no anxiety.
The typical person with social anxiety would experience heightened anxiety during these moments because it is a heightened social experience. The fact that I didn’t leads me to strongly believe that my issue is based on a lack of dopamine rather than anything psychological or pre-existing. This makes me hopeful that it will reverse.
Low dopamine plays a role I'm sure, but I now think why I am comfortable and confident in first dates and job interviews is because it's structured and lets me play a role.
Still do believe that pron addiction is at the very least contributing to my anxiety due to low dopamine but I think this theory is sadly too simplistic.
04-26-2024, 07:35 AM
#125
Originally Posted By artdecade⏩
it's not semen retention, it's just the truth that if you don't cum you'll logically get horny.
makes sense but mine's from not overstimulating myself with stuff that can't be matched in reality. I'm not really convinced about semen retention claims but do kinda see the logic
I have yet to be stimulated by something that can't be matched in reality. This can all go back to what you choose to watch and how you approach sex. The vast majority of porn I watch doesn't go beyond stripping and a lot of it doesn't include nudity. Meanwhile my actual sex life is quiet degenerate
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04-26-2024, 07:37 AM
#126
Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
Get what you're saying but even just exposing yourself to endless hot chicks is overstimulating and unrealistic. Can spend an hour watching porn and see hundreds, if not thousands, of different girls in sexual situations. That's not realistic I'm afraid (unless you're a billionaire or some chit).
it's not semen retention, it's just the truth that if you don't cum you'll logically get horny.
I have yet to be stimulated by something that can't be matched in reality. This can all go back to what you choose to watch and how you approach sex. The vast majority of porn I watch doesn't go beyond stripping and a lot of it doesn't include nudity. Meanwhile my actual sex life is quiet degenerate
I have yet to be stimulated by something that can't be matched in reality. This can all go back to what you choose to watch and how you approach sex. The vast majority of porn I watch doesn't go beyond stripping and a lot of it doesn't include nudity. Meanwhile my actual sex life is quiet degenerate
But again not really arguing about the not cumming equalling being more horny, just stating in my case it's a lesser contributor
04-26-2024, 07:43 AM
#127
Originally Posted By artdecade⏩
so don't make it endless - find a few content creators you enjoy and focus only on their works. it's not hard.
Get what you're saying but even just exposing yourself to endless hot chicks is overstimulating and unrealistic. Can spend an hour watching porn and see hundreds, if not thousands, of different girls in sexual situations. That's not realistic I'm afraid (unless you're a billionaire or some chit).
But again not really arguing about the not cumming equalling being more horny, just stating in my case it's a lesser contributor
But again not really arguing about the not cumming equalling being more horny, just stating in my case it's a lesser contributor
I highly doubt something other than being really horny is causing your response to seeing a nice ass
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04-26-2024, 07:48 AM
#128
Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
Honestly bro look at yourbrainonporn if you're genuinely interested in finding out. Obviously I know you've made it clear that you can't understand but the info is right there is you actually wanna find out.
so don't make it endless - find a few content creators you enjoy and focus only on their works. it's not hard.
I highly doubt something other than being really horny is causing your response to seeing a nice ass
I highly doubt something other than being really horny is causing your response to seeing a nice ass
Do find it confusing tho because earlier you said you weren't arguing that porn can be addicting but now you're really gone hardline on it and seemed personally offended that I'm cutting it out lol
04-26-2024, 07:51 AM
#129
Originally Posted By artdecade⏩
I have been there numerous times.
Honestly bro look at yourbrainonporn if you're genuinely interested in finding out. Obviously I know you've made it clear that you can't understand but the info is right there is you actually wanna find out.
Do find it confusing tho because earlier you said you weren't arguing that porn can be addicting but now you're really gone hardline on it and seemed personally offended that I'm cutting it out lol
Do find it confusing tho because earlier you said you weren't arguing that porn can be addicting but now you're really gone hardline on it and seemed personally offended that I'm cutting it out lol
Sure it is addicting but that doesn't mean you are addicted to it. Reading your updates I don't believe it is the root cause of your issues - and that is the problem that I have with the guys pushing porn addiction - they make it out that if you use porn at all it is causing your problems
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04-26-2024, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
Again fair enough but you know very little about me haha.
I have been there numerous times.
Sure it is addicting but that doesn't mean you are addicted to it. Reading your updates I don't believe it is the root cause of your issues - and that is the problem that I have with the guys pushing porn addiction - they make it out that if you use porn at all it is causing your problems
Sure it is addicting but that doesn't mean you are addicted to it. Reading your updates I don't believe it is the root cause of your issues - and that is the problem that I have with the guys pushing porn addiction - they make it out that if you use porn at all it is causing your problems
I've not said that any use of porn is inherently bad and harmful, only that high speed internet porn has strong potential to become addicting (especially for those who started as adolescents). Minor use of porn without addiction is fine, same with people who gamble without being addicted.
But if you are addicted then yes it is likely the main issue you need to address in your life. There may be pre-existing issues that need to be dealt with, people usually become addicts because the behaviour gives them escapsim from their problems. But the 'cure' soon becomes the issue, that's the basic story of most addicts. As Kanye once said: "what's worse the pain or the hangover?"
What is particularly dangerous about porn though is that it does have the potential to hook those without pre-existing conditions. Because it's based on our most primal drive it can easily be hijacked. Similar story is the case with junk food. Again, not saying I don't have some issues unrelated to addiction (I won't really know till I quit) and I'm not saying it fixes everything. But it is absolutely true to say that an addict can't hope to really improve their life until they unhook from their addiciton.
What would signal porn addiction to you?
04-26-2024, 08:04 AM
#131
Originally Posted By artdecade⏩
I can read your daily updates
Again fair enough but you know very little about me haha.
What would signal porn addiction to you?
What would signal porn addiction to you?
Porn causing problem(s) in your life
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04-26-2024, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
By that definition than I was/am an addict
I can read your daily updates
Porn causing problem(s) in your life
Porn causing problem(s) in your life
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By the way, this isn't subjective there is a standard assessment for addiction, it's called the 4Cs:
- Craving
- Compulsion to use
- Inability to control use
- Continued use despite adverse consquences
I'm not saying you meet these criteria, I have no idea about your use. But I easily met all of these criteria and therefore I am an addict
04-26-2024, 08:13 AM
#133
Originally Posted By artdecade⏩
I am 2/4 but the first two and I don't think they are problematic and they often are part of positive habits as well.
By that definition than I was/am an addict
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By the way, this isn't subjective there is a standard assessment for addiction, it's called the 4Cs:
- Craving
- Compulsion to use
- Inability to control use
- Continued use despite adverse consquences
I'm not saying you meet these criteria, I have no idea about your use. But I easily met all of these criteria and therefore I am an addict
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By the way, this isn't subjective there is a standard assessment for addiction, it's called the 4Cs:
- Craving
- Compulsion to use
- Inability to control use
- Continued use despite adverse consquences
I'm not saying you meet these criteria, I have no idea about your use. But I easily met all of these criteria and therefore I am an addict
What adverse consequences has porn caused you?
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04-26-2024, 08:28 AM
#134
Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
Adverse consequences:
I am 2/4 but the first two and I don't think they are problematic and they often are part of positive habits as well.
What adverse consequences has porn caused you?
What adverse consequences has porn caused you?
- Depression
- Social anxiety
- Social isolation
- Poor concentration
- Emotionally numb
- Poor memory
- Loss of relationships
- Loss of friendships
- Physical pain from masturbating too much (lol) but then continued to masturbate despite pain
- Loss of countless hours that could have been spent doing anything else. Literally used to spend entire evenings, entire weekends, just pmo. Average week two years ago I probably spent more 25 hours watching porn.
Way more but those seem to be the obvious ones
Obviously is tricky because I've continually used since I was 11. Imagine if an 11-year-old started any other addiction at that age, they would think the adverse affects are normal. So the only real way is to quit long enough to let the addiction-related brain changes reverse (likely 3-6 months +). I've never been able to quit for that long so i don't really know what is porn related and what isn't. So I'll be in a better position to answer your question in 6 months or so
04-26-2024, 08:34 AM
#135
Originally Posted By artdecade⏩
ok can you explain why all those things are directly linked to porn in your case?
Adverse consequences:
- Depression
- Social anxiety
- Social isolation
- Poor concentration
- Emotionally numb
- Poor memory
- Loss of relationships
- Loss of friendships
- Physical pain from masturbating too much (lol) but then continued to masturbate despite pain
- Loss of countless hours that could have been spent doing anything else. Literally used to spend entire evenings, entire weekends, just pmo. Average week two years ago I probably spent more 25 hours watching porn.
Way more but those seem to be the obvious ones
Obviously is tricky because I've continually used since I was 11. Imagine if an 11-year-old started any other addiction at that age, they would think the adverse affects are normal. So the only real way is to quit long enough to let the addiction-related brain changes reverse (likely 3-6 months +). I've never been able to quit for that long so i don't really know what is porn related and what isn't. So I'll be in a better position to answer your question in 6 months or so
- Depression
- Social anxiety
- Social isolation
- Poor concentration
- Emotionally numb
- Poor memory
- Loss of relationships
- Loss of friendships
- Physical pain from masturbating too much (lol) but then continued to masturbate despite pain
- Loss of countless hours that could have been spent doing anything else. Literally used to spend entire evenings, entire weekends, just pmo. Average week two years ago I probably spent more 25 hours watching porn.
Way more but those seem to be the obvious ones
Obviously is tricky because I've continually used since I was 11. Imagine if an 11-year-old started any other addiction at that age, they would think the adverse affects are normal. So the only real way is to quit long enough to let the addiction-related brain changes reverse (likely 3-6 months +). I've never been able to quit for that long so i don't really know what is porn related and what isn't. So I'll be in a better position to answer your question in 6 months or so
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04-26-2024, 08:37 AM
#136
Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
M8 i've explained all about dopamine and addiction related brain changes a million times to you. Read these:
ok can you explain why all those things are directly linked to porn in your case?
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/rebo...bipolar-worse/
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/rebo...t-my-emotions/
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/rebo...concentration/
04-26-2024, 08:39 AM
#137
Originally Posted By artdecade⏩
I've read all those - I have read everything on that site, I am asking you about your personal experience with porn and why you think your issues are directly related to it and not something else
M8 i've explained all about dopamine and addiction related brain changes a million times to you. Read these:
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/rebo...bipolar-worse/
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/rebo...t-my-emotions/
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/rebo...concentration/
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/rebo...bipolar-worse/
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/rebo...t-my-emotions/
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/rebo...concentration/
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04-26-2024, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
I've read all those - I have read everything on that site, I am asking you about your personal experience with porn and why you think your issues are directly related to it and not something else
I do not believe youve read any of it bro lol I'm sorry
Well it's quite simple:
- my use of it meets all the criteria for addiction. Therefore it is overwhelming likely I have the corresponding addiction brain changes
- i have all the symptoms that are linked to porn addiction (the ones I posted earlier)
Therefore it is likely that my symptoms are related to my porn addiction. Added to that theory is that the times I have quit in the past (probably gone more than a month 5 times, including this current one) have resulted in withdrawal symptoms and, after a while, reduction in the initial symptoms of porn addiction.
However, as I clearly said earlier, the only way I am going to know is to quit long enough for the addiction brain changes to reverse. 3-6 months is the standard timeline for noticeable improvement in this area. So I'll have a better idea on day 90-180. It may not solve my problems, I do not expect that (though it can't be ruled out) but I am expecting significant improvements on the symptoms listed. If I do not feel any improvement after 90-180 days then I'll know that porn is not impacting me.
This is really an experiment to test a hypothesis, hence why I am doing these daily reports.
04-26-2024, 09:15 AM
#139
Originally Posted By artdecade⏩
alright let's start with the easy ones - tell me about the relationships you've lost to porn, and the friendships, and the physical pain from masturbation that you fapped through
I do not believe youve read any of it bro lol I'm sorry
Well it's quite simple:
- my use of it meets all the criteria for addiction. Therefore it is overwhelming likely I have the corresponding addiction brain changes
- i have all the symptoms that are linked to porn addiction (the ones I posted earlier)
Therefore it is likely that my symptoms are related to my porn addiction. Added to that theory is that the times I have quit in the past (probably gone more than a month 5 times, including this current one) have resulted in withdrawal symptoms and, after a while, reduction in the initial symptoms of porn addiction.
However, as I clearly said earlier, the only way I am going to know is to quit long enough for the addiction brain changes to reverse. 3-6 months is the standard timeline for noticeable improvement in this area. So I'll have a better idea on day 90-180. It may not solve my problems, I do not expect that (though it can't be ruled out) but I am expecting significant improvements on the symptoms listed. If I do not feel any improvement after 90-180 days then I'll know that porn is not impacting me.
This is really an experiment to test a hypothesis, hence why I am doing these daily reports.
Well it's quite simple:
- my use of it meets all the criteria for addiction. Therefore it is overwhelming likely I have the corresponding addiction brain changes
- i have all the symptoms that are linked to porn addiction (the ones I posted earlier)
Therefore it is likely that my symptoms are related to my porn addiction. Added to that theory is that the times I have quit in the past (probably gone more than a month 5 times, including this current one) have resulted in withdrawal symptoms and, after a while, reduction in the initial symptoms of porn addiction.
However, as I clearly said earlier, the only way I am going to know is to quit long enough for the addiction brain changes to reverse. 3-6 months is the standard timeline for noticeable improvement in this area. So I'll have a better idea on day 90-180. It may not solve my problems, I do not expect that (though it can't be ruled out) but I am expecting significant improvements on the symptoms listed. If I do not feel any improvement after 90-180 days then I'll know that porn is not impacting me.
This is really an experiment to test a hypothesis, hence why I am doing these daily reports.
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04-26-2024, 11:37 AM
#140
Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
Brah no offense but not really feeling this sorta convo with you. Either you understand the point about desensitisation from porn addiction or you don't, can't keep going over this
alright let's start with the easy ones - tell me about the relationships you've lost to porn, and the friendships, and the physical pain from masturbation that you fapped through
Just leave it at this, it's pretty simple. I meet all the criteria for porn addiction and have the standard symptoms of a porn addict. I'm going to quit for 3-6 months to test and then make a judgement.
You clearly have your doubts. Fair enough. You don't need to do it, you feel you have a healthy relationship with porn and I accept that
Nuff said
04-26-2024, 12:34 PM
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Brah, if you can go more than like 4 days without yanking it to p0rn, then you do not have an addiction.
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04-26-2024, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted By 4Bertuzzi4⏩
Nice logic brah, so by your thinking it would be impossible for anyone to ever quit an addiction
Brah, if you can go more than like 4 days without yanking it to p0rn, then you do not have an addiction.
04-26-2024, 03:01 PM
#143
whacking off to p0rn is only an addiction if you can't stay away from it for more than a few days. Unless you're binge watching and wanking for hours, or doing it every day, and looking forward to doing it while at work or school or whatever, it's not an addiction.
Masturbation is healthy and watching porn just helps the process. Try not to get too hardcore with it and everything'll be fine. Not emptying the sack at least once or twice per week can be detrimental to your sexual health and prostate.
Masturbation is healthy and watching porn just helps the process. Try not to get too hardcore with it and everything'll be fine. Not emptying the sack at least once or twice per week can be detrimental to your sexual health and prostate.
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04-26-2024, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted By 4Bertuzzi4⏩
Mate I literally was binge watching and wanking for hours, doing it every day, and looking forward to doing it while at work
whacking off to p0rn is only an addiction if you can't stay away from it for more than a few days. Unless you're binge watching and wanking for hours, or doing it every day, and looking forward to doing it while at work or school or whatever, it's not an addiction.
Masturbation is healthy and watching porn just helps the process. Try not to get too hardcore with it and everything'll be fine. Not emptying the sack at least once or twice per week can be detrimental to your sexual health and prostate.
Masturbation is healthy and watching porn just helps the process. Try not to get too hardcore with it and everything'll be fine. Not emptying the sack at least once or twice per week can be detrimental to your sexual health and prostate.
04-26-2024, 03:36 PM
#145
"The reason we are being murdered with genetic altering drugs is its slow acting and it causes your body to malfunction and destroy itself so there is a "plausible deniability" factor. Unlike most poisons which leave more evidence of being the direct cause of death."
1,151+ pages of peoples accounts of Covid-19 vaccine damage:
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04-26-2024, 04:17 PM
#146
Originally Posted By artdecade⏩
But you've proven to yourself you can go over a month without P0rn wanking. Just clean the pipes every now and again, and you're good. Make sure that $hit is working properly for when the opportunity arises to use it with a real life female.
Mate I literally was binge watching and wanking for hours, doing it every day, and looking forward to doing it while at work
AND NEVER USE THE TIGHT DEATH GRIP. Vaginas are not hands.
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04-26-2024, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted By 4Bertuzzi4⏩
I think you are underestimating how hard it is to moderately do something you have a consistent history of abusing. I think you've got a bit of a simplistic view and you don't seem to have any understanding of how addiction works. I do get the sense that you are genuinely trying to be helpful though so I do appreciate you trying
But you've proven to yourself you can go over a month without P0rn wanking. Just clean the pipes every now and again, and you're good. Make sure that $hit is working properly for when the opportunity arises to use it with a real life female.
AND NEVER USE THE TIGHT DEATH GRIP. Vaginas are not hands.
AND NEVER USE THE TIGHT DEATH GRIP. Vaginas are not hands.
04-26-2024, 05:47 PM
#148
Originally Posted By artdecade⏩
this is supposedly your journal about beating porn addiction, I'm legitimately asking about a significant portion of it, how does one know if they are addicted? You talk about it interferring in relationships but won't give details?
Brah no offense but not really feeling this sorta convo with you. Either you understand the point about desensitisation from porn addiction or you don't, can't keep going over this
Just leave it at this, it's pretty simple. I meet all the criteria for porn addiction and have the standard symptoms of a porn addict. I'm going to quit for 3-6 months to test and then make a judgement.
You clearly have your doubts. Fair enough. You don't need to do it, you feel you have a healthy relationship with porn and I accept that
Nuff said
Just leave it at this, it's pretty simple. I meet all the criteria for porn addiction and have the standard symptoms of a porn addict. I'm going to quit for 3-6 months to test and then make a judgement.
You clearly have your doubts. Fair enough. You don't need to do it, you feel you have a healthy relationship with porn and I accept that
Nuff said
or can't?
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04-26-2024, 05:48 PM
#149
Originally Posted By artdecade⏩
sounds like good times
Mate I literally was binge watching and wanking for hours, doing it every day, and looking forward to doing it while at work
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04-27-2024, 12:56 AM
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Day 42 - six weeks boyos
Ended up feeling really flat last night. Had a 2nd interview for this job after work and it didn't go amazingly well. Said they'd tell me on Monday. Tbh not sure I want it that much anymore, thinking of moving back to my hometown to refresh and then try somewhere new.
Evenings like yesterday are when I would normally run to pmo for numbness. It allowed me to fully escape pain or disappointment and live this fantasy world where I was exactly who I wanted to be and had my own harem. Instead last night I just had to sit with and confront the sadness and boredom. Played my guitar a bit and that was about it.
Loneliness is really painful rn. Porn use definitely suppressed this for me so without it I am really craving connection and intimacy. It's not coming from this girl I was seeing as I hoped it would, doubt I'll see her again tbh and even if I do it'll just be sex. My friends are long gone, only have contact with one these days and we see each other once a month or so. I'm alone and isolated, and without the distraction offered by porn addiction. It's tough but the hope of recovery sustains me.
Have to remember the social improvements experienced yesterday though. Very encouraging and my mood was also pretty great during the actual day. Good signs that things are happening. Writing on here has been helpful to remind myself and contextualise the extent of my addiction. Interactions on here have shown me that, even among you degenerates, my use was severe and chronic which serves to reassure me that my prospect of strong improvement is high
Ended up feeling really flat last night. Had a 2nd interview for this job after work and it didn't go amazingly well. Said they'd tell me on Monday. Tbh not sure I want it that much anymore, thinking of moving back to my hometown to refresh and then try somewhere new.
Evenings like yesterday are when I would normally run to pmo for numbness. It allowed me to fully escape pain or disappointment and live this fantasy world where I was exactly who I wanted to be and had my own harem. Instead last night I just had to sit with and confront the sadness and boredom. Played my guitar a bit and that was about it.
Loneliness is really painful rn. Porn use definitely suppressed this for me so without it I am really craving connection and intimacy. It's not coming from this girl I was seeing as I hoped it would, doubt I'll see her again tbh and even if I do it'll just be sex. My friends are long gone, only have contact with one these days and we see each other once a month or so. I'm alone and isolated, and without the distraction offered by porn addiction. It's tough but the hope of recovery sustains me.
Have to remember the social improvements experienced yesterday though. Very encouraging and my mood was also pretty great during the actual day. Good signs that things are happening. Writing on here has been helpful to remind myself and contextualise the extent of my addiction. Interactions on here have shown me that, even among you degenerates, my use was severe and chronic which serves to reassure me that my prospect of strong improvement is high
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