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post 1551261821 05-10-2018, 07:05 PM
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What's more disturbing... the morbidly obese person... or the 9-5 rotters with their own secret problems that get their jollies off watching these morbidly obese suffer? Schadenfreude


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post 1551263071 05-10-2018, 07:27 PM
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Simple. You lie to yourself enough until you believe it and accept it as your reality.

Source: Current fatty who got up to 301.
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Originally Posted By PeaceWithin⏩
Simple. You lie to yourself enough until you believe it and accept it as your reality.

Source: Current fatty who got up to 301.
Everyone's gotten fat before but most people recognize the issue. To get 500+ though obviously some mental block is happening there
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For me, it was drinking and eating a lot. When I could hear myself breathing, I said that was enough.

Beer and good food, it never got old. Loved it. Miss it.
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post 1551263391 05-10-2018, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
It's a simple fact when it comes to losing or gaining weight though.
Saying that weight (or health for that matter) is simply a function of "calories in, calories out" is completely wrong.

It is a drastic oversimplification that doesn't account for the complex metabolic pathways that different foods go through, or the effects that foods have on our brain and hormones.

One of the key problems with the "calories in, calories out" way of thinking is that it doesn't account for other health effects of foods.

The fact is that different foods can have varying effects on our health.

For example, trans fats can lead to inflammation, insulin resistance and all the horror that follows, including cardiovascular disease and type II diabetes

Another example is fructose. When consumed in large amounts (from added sugars, not fruit), it can lead to insulin resistance, elevated cholesterol and triglycerides and increased abdominal obesity

There are many examples of foods having harmful effects that have little to do with their caloric content.

Also, being at a healthy weight does NOT guarantee that you are healthy, in the same way that being obese does not necessarily mean that you are unhealthy.

Even though these metabolic problems are more common among obese individuals, many obese individuals are metabolically healthy and many lean people have the metabolic syndrome and can succumb to heart disease and type II diabetes

Optimal nutrition and disease prevention go way beyond just calories.
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post 1551263501 05-10-2018, 07:34 PM
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Most people believe that the increased calorie intake is driving the weight gain.

But what if we've got things backwards and the fat gain drives the increased calorie intake?

When a teenage boy grows rapidly in height, he eats more calories than he expends. Instead of turning into fat, the calories are used to build muscle, bones, skin and organs.

It is not the increased calorie intake that is driving the growth, but hormones, growth factors and physiological processes that are causing the growth and the growth drives the increased calorie intake. That makes sense, right?

What if obesity is similar? What if calories are a consequences of the weight gain, not a cause?

In the same way that a teenage boy's muscles and bones grow because of hormones, an obese person's fat mass may be growing because of hormones.

One example of this is drugs like some antidepressants and birth control pills, which often have weight gain as a side effect.

There are no calories in these pills, but they alter the physiology of the body (brain and hormones) to cause weight gain. In this case, the increased calorie intake is secondary to the change in hormones.
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post 1551263661 05-10-2018, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted By RushEm⏩
Their transformations are actually quite impressive. It doesn't happen overnight, yet they look like they've exploded. Very intriguing. Just goes to show if you keep at something you'll make progress.
Lmao , thatโ€™s what I call the glass is half full guy . Wish I could be this positive
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post 1551263711 05-10-2018, 07:36 PM
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A calorie is not a calorie

Different Foods Affect Our Hormones in Different Ways
In my opinion, one of the biggest fallacies in nutrition is to think that all calories are created equal.

Different macronutrients (proteins, fats and carbohydrates) go through different metabolic pathways.

Let me show you this with two examples... fructose and protein.

Fructose
Fructose, when it enters the liver from the digestive tract, can be turned into glucose and stored as glycogen.

But if the liver is full of glycogen, it can be turned into fat... which is then shipped out or lodges in the liver.

Consumed in excess, it can cause insulin resistance, which raises insulin levels all over the body. Insulin drives fat gain.

Fructose also doesn't get registered in the same way as glucose and doesn't impact satiety in the same way. Fructose doesn't lower the hunger hormone ghrelin.

So... a 100 calories of fructose may increase your insulin over the long term, lead to higher ghrelin levels and increased appetite.

Protein
Then you have a 100 calories of protein.

About 30% of the calories in the protein will be spent on digesting it, because the metabolic pathway requires energy.

Protein may also increase levels of fullness and boost the metabolic rate.

This increased protein may even be used to build muscles, which are metabolically active tissues that burn calories around the clock.

Clearly... a 100 calories of fructose will have completely different effects on the body than a 100 calories of quality protein. A calorie is NOT a calorie.

In this way, the fructose will drive increased energy intake compared to the protein, via its effects on hormones, body and brain.

Drinking a can of soda every day for 5 years will have a vastly different effect on the body and long-term energy balance, compared to eating the same calories from eggs.

Some people say that "any" food can be harmful in excess. Well... I disagree. Try eating broc**** in excess, or eggs. You will feel full very quickly and not want to take another bite.

Compare that to a food like ice cream, which is very easy to consume large amounts of.

BOTTOM LINE:
Different foods go through different metabolic pathways. Some foods can cause hormone changes that encourage weight gain, while other foods can increase satiety and boost the metabolic rate.
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Originally Posted By L0rdHumongous⏩
WTF? Anyone else see the 600# life episode where the 700lb fatty admitted herself to the hospital for malnutrition? She was gaining weight and the doc said she had to be eating 10k calories per day just to maintain 700lb let alone gain weight. Bish said his recommended diet was killing her.

Just like that weird doc on the show says, metabolism or not, you don't get something from nothing. You can't eat 2k calories per day and gain 30lbs in one month. No disease or disorder can cause you to produce massive amounts of fat without massive amounts of calories.
Fat people will make every excuse in the book to remain fat and eat what they want. These people eat even when they aren't hungry. Seen people who would just eat out of boredom. They also trained their body to always ingest 8k+ calories that even 5k makes them feel like they are dying of hunger lmao.
Originally Posted By I3igAl⏩
In4 pull up video.





Does not have to be that much just seeing some 400lbs pull up would already be cool.
These are non nattys, bottom dude has world record squat in wraps lol
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Originally Posted By devin45k⏩
I think of this all the time but then when I have to hang with an obese couple I know then I understand.

Breakfast - starbucks drink and starbucks food
working - snacking random candy
lunch - fast food like Sonics
working - snacking
supper - sit down restaraunt
night - some snack
Truth. My wife has some obese relatives, and my grandmother was enormous. It wasn't that they ate like a horse 3x a day. It was that they never stopped munching between meals.
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Exterminate all the morbidly obese. 100% dead serious
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Originally Posted By ****liGirl⏩
was watching this earlier, ho lee fuk. i'm pretty sure the husband has a obesity fetish, only explanation as to why he would move heaven and earth for this lady

holy chit phuck her barking orders like that. I would have left that fat phuck years and YEARS ago before it got that bad. She's blaming everyone and everything on her obesity except for herself.

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Originally Posted By Cytomegalovirus⏩
Smoking isn't a silent killer lol...look up COPD. Your lung function and general sense of well being deteriorate. The carcinogens and nicotine itself (increase BP, potentiates atherosclerosis) potentiate damage to multiple organs particular the G.I. tract and pancreas. It also causes peripheral vascular disease in higher incidence followed by strokes than M.I.s. Because smoking's pathologies are vascular oriented, hypertension ensues which is actually the #1 silent killer. A long term chronic smoker knows he has damaged his body and likely has gone through a slew of doctors visits for copd, PVD, DVTs, incontinence, G.I. issues, eso****eal varices, etc etc etc before they drop dead of an M.I. or stroke. Years of vascular pathology leads to premature atrophy of brain tissue, leading to poor memory etc.

Hypertension is the actual silent killer. Someone who is perfectly healthy but otherwise hypertensive may live an absolutely normal life and then drop dead because of vascular disease.

People who smoke tend to lead otherwise unhealthy lifestyles, very rarely do you see someone who just smokes packs a day who is otherwise completely healthy.
I am well aware of that. Its still easy to ignore. They just go to the doctor and get approved to carry around an oxygen tank, and blame it on their age or genetics and everything else except themselves.

For a fat person, who cares about COPD when you're sedentary the vast majority of the day anyway. You're on disability so there's very little reason to get up and move to do any work.

The vast majority of symptoms associated wtih Metabolic Syndrome are ignored. Hell diabetics will let their foot rot off and not even know it because they never move and the nerves are dead so they can't feel it anyway.
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cant understand it at all either.

whats mind blowing is remembering that their frame is still normal sized underneath all that:

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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
That was in 2004, as I stated, and while on prescription medication which I can no longer get doctors to prescribe.
Go to a dedicated endocrinologist. They won't do that because they understand the relationship with the thyroid and the meds.
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I used to be around 380 pounds, serious. Then I lost 40 pounds two years ago, then took a break. Then I lost another 20 pounds this year (starting in January 2018). Down to 320 pounds now.

For me it was severe mental health issues mostly (like around 75%+), low self-esteem, and just being ignorant of food and diet habits.
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when that guy croaks in his bed, they'll have to tear down a wall and bring in a fork lift to get him out
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Originally Posted By residesinAZ⏩
There's a difference between medical 'morbid obesity' and the level these people get to. The dude pictured is mental illness 100%, combined with an enabler.
Correct. The enabler is key - same as substance abuse and gambling addiction. Anyone can get chubby (BMI 25-30), and if distracted by busy work, having a baby or a bout of illness or depression even class I obese (BMI 30-35). But if a person's class II (BMI 35+) obesity and above, usually their whole family is big. I've had many doctors and paramedics as clients over the years, they tell me about their 200+kg patients: "Their families bring them food in the hospital."

There are usually mental health issues at BMI 35+, they're not happy people. So to cheer up they eat. And because they feel bad, their families comfort them - with food. It's the same as smoking used to be, smoking peaked at about 2/3 the adult population and then everyone panicked and changed laws and things and it declined, obesity will be the same. When I was in the army, you were a "homo" if you didn't smoke, now imagine those same sorts of people if you turned down the bucket of KFC and had a chicken salad.

Now imagine if that person decided to go for a walk, or put all the pantry's junk food in the rubbish bins. Much drama from the family. So they're worse than enablers, they actually insist on the addiction. Like living with meth addicts.
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Originally Posted By I3igAl⏩
Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero.

I'm counting zero pullups.

I know he's fat as **** and it's super hard. Still strong, but those aren't pullups. He can probably only do 1 or 2 with proper form. I'd rather like to see those!
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Originally Posted By KyleAaron⏩
Correct. The enabler is key - same as substance abuse and gambling addiction. Anyone can get chubby (BMI 25-30), and if distracted by busy work, having a baby or a bout of illness or depression even class I obese (BMI 30-35). But if a person's class II (BMI 35+) obesity and above, usually their whole family is big. I've had many doctors and paramedics as clients over the years, they tell me about their 200+kg patients: "Their families bring them food in the hospital."

There are usually mental health issues at BMI 35+, they're not happy people. So to cheer up they eat. And because they feel bad, their families comfort them - with food. It's the same as smoking used to be, smoking peaked at about 2/3 the adult population and then everyone panicked and changed laws and things and it declined, obesity will be the same. When I was in the army, you were a "homo" if you didn't smoke, now imagine those same sorts of people if you turned down the bucket of KFC and had a chicken salad.

Now imagine if that person decided to go for a walk, or put all the pantry's junk food in the rubbish bins. Much drama from the family. So they're worse than enablers, they actually insist on the addiction. Like living with meth addicts.
What we need as a society is comprehensive dietary education. Not this food pyramid bullchit. People need to learn to track macros, estimate TDEE, and portion food. That's the biggest thing. Portion control and healthy eating. Restaurants routinely serve up 3000-5000 cal meals depending on where you go. If you just eat like that all the time, you are going to get huge. It's important to portion food. Take pasta for example. 1 serving of pasta is 2 oz. You're supposed to have it with veggies. People instead have no veggies and like 8 oz of pasta at one time.

IDK about fried chicken vs chicken salad. I think the chicken salad might actually have more calories tbh lol.

The biggest thing about diets is you have to permanently change your diet. If you just go on it for a while and then go off it, your weight will oscillate accordingly.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Nope. I guarantee I worked as hard or harder than you with zero results. Sure, some people are lazy. I'm not. It doesn't matter. You can't correlate obesity with laziness.
why yes, yes you can, son

go on diet 2k cals per day, indefinitely. You will be thin. Shut your hole I don't wanna hear it. Do it, don't be lazy about it. I'll smack you up son. the end, you got me son? Son, I said the end
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
The answer for these people and millions of other addicts lies in them letting go, convincing them that they aren't hopeless, and that they do have control.
Then stop telling them they're 'addicted' as if it's an illness and freeing them of personal responsibility for their actions.
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
when that guy croaks in his bed, they'll have to tear down a wall and bring in a fork lift to get him out
lmfao
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I think wanting to be healthy or at least fit is hardwired into us. I know for a fact that I'm a shallow mofo and wouldn't be happy if I looked like sht thus I workout to build muscle even though I honestly don't love going to the gym. I don't hate it but I do it because I know I'll be a fat, lazy POS if I don't. Then people like my best friend just hate working out to the point of not caring what their body looks like as long as they don't have to do it. People have different levels of drive/motivation for different reasons.
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Originally Posted By AlexTheNewbie⏩
Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero.

I'm counting zero pullups.

I know he's fat as **** and it's super hard. Still strong, but those aren't pullups. He can probably only do 1 or 2 with proper form. I'd rather like to see those!
I thought he was going to start kipping.

Dude, those are pullups. His head reaches the bar where his hands hang. They're clean reps.
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lmfao
You laugh, but this does happen. They don't tear down entire walls, but they have to sledgehammer away doorways to make them larger.
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Originally Posted By TommyRO⏩
Everyone's gotten fat before but most people recognize the issue. To get 500+ though obviously some mental block is happening there
it's like credit card debt: the more you rack up the harder it is to recover, and the easier it is for it to spiral out of control

a lot easier for a 300 pound person to double their weight than someone weighing 150
post 1551292671 05-11-2018, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted By nn586⏩
lmfao
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You laugh, but this does happen. They don't tear down entire walls, but they have to sledgehammer away doorways to make them larger.
Not only forklifts to transport them, but planes to airlift them. Not a helicopter, obviously, but a full-sized plane. Check it:

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post 1551293591 05-11-2018, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
What we need as a society is comprehensive dietary education. Not this food pyramid bullchit. People need to learn to track macros, estimate TDEE, and portion food. That's the biggest thing. Portion control and healthy eating. Restaurants routinely serve up 3000-5000 cal meals depending on where you go. If you just eat like that all the time, you are going to get huge. It's important to portion food. Take pasta for example. 1 serving of pasta is 2 oz. You're supposed to have it with veggies. People instead have no veggies and like 8 oz of pasta at one time.

IDK about fried chicken vs chicken salad. I think the chicken salad might actually have more calories tbh lol.

The biggest thing about diets is you have to permanently change your diet. If you just go on it for a while and then go off it, your weight will oscillate accordingly.
People always underestimate what they eat and it's hilarious. Had a friend ask me how to lose weight so I told them to measure and log into my fitness pal. They were shocked at just how much they were eating. Then there are people like Sandy eating a " healthy salad" but drenching the thing in ranch dressing and wondering why she's not Losing weight. Getting people to measure ane track is also a hard task by itself (make excuses like its too much work) and even peoples family shame those who do.

At the end of the day losing weight is so simple but people love food and fatty high calorific stuff tastes amazing. Can't make someone want to lose weight. Instantloser in this Thread thinks he can't drop weight and its "pointless" while admitting he eats pure trash and w.e he wants lol. That Andi guy would make up any excuse in the book to not cut while believing he can be 10% bodyfat at 290 lbs while Natty. Let fat people cope.

Biggest Cope is when a fat person says they are happy with their bodies. No one that's obese is close to being happy with it lmao. Just pure cope and mental gymnastics because they lack will power to cut and avoid eating 12 donuts a day. If I woke up at 400 pounds tomorrow, I gurantee you id be down over 100 pounds within a year.
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Originally Posted By TommyRO⏩
Instantloser in this threae thinks he can't drop weight and its "pointless" while admitting he eaten pure trash and w.e he wants lol.
^^Case in point about my illiterate comment from before. I am not trying to lose weight right now, ergo I eat whatever I want. I do not expect to lose weight while eating "pure trash". The point I was making is that even while eating correctly and exercising, the results are identical (except I gain some muscle).
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