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03-14-2014, 08:55 AM
#2041
Hate to lose Smitty but from a long term perspective it's the right call.
We're going in the right direction, I think. If we miss on Nicks I hope we take a WR in the first round (assuming there is no dominant OL falling to us there) and start looking to cash in on some top talent at that position for Cam. But the reality is that the way we are built, on defense and running, that we do not need to tie up a ton of money in aging receivers (with huge question marks) because that position ranks behind our DL, LB, DB, OL, QB/RB in terms of our team success. Spending a ton of money there is kind of foolish at the moment as we're not trying to change our entire offensive philosophy over one offseason when we were already 12-4 with what we had the year before.
I'd like to see James Jones come in as he fits what we need pretty much perfectly. A sure handed vet who knows his way around an endzone. Rumor mill a few years ago had us potentially trading DWill for him so I'm sure we're looking at bringing him in anyway.
Get your chins up, boys, we'll be okay. Saints lost a lot of firepower too, even with what they've signed thus far. Look long term and at least wait until after the draft to start freaking out.
We're going in the right direction, I think. If we miss on Nicks I hope we take a WR in the first round (assuming there is no dominant OL falling to us there) and start looking to cash in on some top talent at that position for Cam. But the reality is that the way we are built, on defense and running, that we do not need to tie up a ton of money in aging receivers (with huge question marks) because that position ranks behind our DL, LB, DB, OL, QB/RB in terms of our team success. Spending a ton of money there is kind of foolish at the moment as we're not trying to change our entire offensive philosophy over one offseason when we were already 12-4 with what we had the year before.
I'd like to see James Jones come in as he fits what we need pretty much perfectly. A sure handed vet who knows his way around an endzone. Rumor mill a few years ago had us potentially trading DWill for him so I'm sure we're looking at bringing him in anyway.
Get your chins up, boys, we'll be okay. Saints lost a lot of firepower too, even with what they've signed thus far. Look long term and at least wait until after the draft to start freaking out.
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03-14-2014, 09:21 AM
#2042
Originally Posted By sircharles032⏩
I agree with this.
Hate to lose Smitty but from a long term perspective it's the right call.
We're going in the right direction, I think. If we miss on Nicks I hope we take a WR in the first round (assuming there is no dominant OL falling to us there) and start looking to cash in on some top talent at that position for Cam. But the reality is that the way we are built, on defense and running, that we do not need to tie up a ton of money in aging receivers (with huge question marks) because that position ranks behind our DL, LB, DB, OL, QB/RB in terms of our team success. Spending a ton of money there is kind of foolish at the moment as we're not trying to change our entire offensive philosophy over one offseason when we were already 12-4 with what we had the year before.
I'd like to see James Jones come in as he fits what we need pretty much perfectly. A sure handed vet who knows his way around an endzone. Rumor mill a few years ago had us potentially trading DWill for him so I'm sure we're looking at bringing him in anyway.
Get your chins up, boys, we'll be okay. Saints lost a lot of firepower too, even with what they've signed thus far. Look long term and at least wait until after the draft to start freaking out.
We're going in the right direction, I think. If we miss on Nicks I hope we take a WR in the first round (assuming there is no dominant OL falling to us there) and start looking to cash in on some top talent at that position for Cam. But the reality is that the way we are built, on defense and running, that we do not need to tie up a ton of money in aging receivers (with huge question marks) because that position ranks behind our DL, LB, DB, OL, QB/RB in terms of our team success. Spending a ton of money there is kind of foolish at the moment as we're not trying to change our entire offensive philosophy over one offseason when we were already 12-4 with what we had the year before.
I'd like to see James Jones come in as he fits what we need pretty much perfectly. A sure handed vet who knows his way around an endzone. Rumor mill a few years ago had us potentially trading DWill for him so I'm sure we're looking at bringing him in anyway.
Get your chins up, boys, we'll be okay. Saints lost a lot of firepower too, even with what they've signed thus far. Look long term and at least wait until after the draft to start freaking out.
I'm just so disappointed to lose smitty
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03-14-2014, 11:11 AM
#2043
Originally Posted By kethnaab⏩
My mistake on the age. I had his age confused with Mikell. Mitchell and Troy don't fit together because they are both run defenders. Mitchell is not a great pass defender and Troy lost some speed.
$5.25M guaranteed. average doesn't really mean anything.
explain?
Mitchell seems like a clone of Ryan Clark, just younger and faster.
he's 33 already?
explain?
Mitchell seems like a clone of Ryan Clark, just younger and faster.
he's 33 already?
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03-14-2014, 11:21 AM
#2044
Hmmmm I'm wondering if we're planning on keeping Godfrey now? He was a decent safety even behind an average(at best) front 7.. it would be interesting to see his performance behind our front 7 now.
Only issue there is if we cut him, we gain $5.1 million in cap space. If we keep him, he counts for $7.1m in cap space..
And as for Mitchell, Keth.. he's a decent player. He's by no means a star, but there were few times I looked his way when the secondary made a mistake. He made a bunch of big plays and brought a nasty attitude to the secondary.
Only issue there is if we cut him, we gain $5.1 million in cap space. If we keep him, he counts for $7.1m in cap space..
And as for Mitchell, Keth.. he's a decent player. He's by no means a star, but there were few times I looked his way when the secondary made a mistake. He made a bunch of big plays and brought a nasty attitude to the secondary.
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03-14-2014, 12:01 PM
#2045
Originally Posted By cor030⏩
yeah, that sounds good to me.
And as for Mitchell, Keth.. he's a decent player. He's by no means a star, but there were few times I looked his way when the secondary made a mistake. He made a bunch of big plays and brought a nasty attitude to the secondary.
if he's a good run defender, that allows LeBeau to run his nickel packages with an extra CB instead of another safety. dude's paranoid about the run, which is ironic considering the players Tomlin is forcing on him
03-14-2014, 12:23 PM
#2046
Originally Posted By Jacket60⏩
If the panthers were smart they would do what Atlanta did and trade up for Watkins, if not draft a WR with the 1st and 2nd pick, they way the NFL is leaning you can make a case WR is the second most important position in all of football and as of now we have none.
They're going to draft at least two receivers in the first three or four rounds. And probably sign a FA sometime soon. Cam will have receivers to throw to next year, relax. Losing Smith isn't going to make or break next season. Smith doesn't have that big of an impact anymore. I'm sad to see him go as well, and it's going to be weird not seeing him out there in a Panthers uniform every Sunday. But after thinking about it, it really was the right thing to do. It's time to bring in some new younger guys to start building chemistry with Cam. WR is deep this year and I trust that Gettleman and Rivera will pick some quality guys that can start on day 1.
Losing Smith for personal reason was stupid, now we have to pay him 3 million while he's on a nother team. Smith could of also helped groomed who ever we are drafting. And to be honest I'm scared Rivera and Gettlemen might go Corner or O-line instead of receiver.
03-14-2014, 12:30 PM
#2047
Originally Posted By Swept⏩
This right here is where you're wrong. Smith is notorious for not being the "mentor" type. He views everyone as competition. Having him probably stunted the other receivers (and Cam's, to a certain extent) development a bit because he demands the ball. When he was a guy that COULD carry the entire load and single handedly obliterate a defense, sure that didn't really matter.. but he's just not the same Smitty anymore.
If the panthers were smart they would do what Atlanta did and trade up for Watkins, if not draft a WR with the 1st and 2nd pick, they way the NFL is leaning you can make a case WR is the second most important position in all of football and as of now we have none.
Losing Smith for personal reason was stupid, now we have to pay him 3 million while he's on a nother team. Smith could of also helped groomed who ever we are drafting. And to be honest I'm scared Rivera and Gettlemen might go Corner or O-line instead of receiver.
Losing Smith for personal reason was stupid, now we have to pay him 3 million while he's on a nother team. Smith could of also helped groomed who ever we are drafting. And to be honest I'm scared Rivera and Gettlemen might go Corner or O-line instead of receiver.
and trading draft picks is one of the many ways Hurney destroyed this team. We'd have to give up a future first to trade high enough to get Watkins. This is one of the deepest WR drafts in a while; WE WILL BE FINE.
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03-14-2014, 12:35 PM
#2048
Originally Posted By cor030⏩
Hurney screwed this team over so bad. If only we didn't have so much money tied in to our running backs then we could have easily signed Nicks and Collins with no problem.
This right here is where you're wrong. Smith is notorious for not being the "mentor" type. He views everyone as competition. Having him probably stunted the other receivers (and Cam's, to a certain extent) development a bit because he demands the ball. When he was a guy that COULD carry the entire load and single handedly obliterate a defense, sure that didn't really matter.. but he's just not the same Smitty anymore.
and trading draft picks is one of the many ways Hurney destroyed this team. We'd have to give up a future first to trade high enough to get Watkins. This is one of the deepest WR drafts in a while; WE WILL BE FINE.
and trading draft picks is one of the many ways Hurney destroyed this team. We'd have to give up a future first to trade high enough to get Watkins. This is one of the deepest WR drafts in a while; WE WILL BE FINE.
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03-14-2014, 12:41 PM
#2049
I think the organization wants to bring in both Jones and Nicks. So they can worry about other options in the draft suck as OT.
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03-14-2014, 01:01 PM
#2050
so 3 rounds into a mock draft where I had the Carolina Panthers, I got your boys Jordan Matthews, Morgan Moses and Rashaad Reynolds
03-14-2014, 01:03 PM
#2051
Did anyone else know this feel?
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03-14-2014, 01:40 PM
#2052
Oh, and you all remember Darin Gantt, yeah? Former Panthers beat writer, fired because he wasn't a yes man for the team..
@daringantt: As badly as Dave Gettleman bungled the 89 thing, giving Mitchell, Munnerlyn and Ginn the contracts they got elsewhere would have been worse.
@daringantt: As badly as Dave Gettleman bungled the 89 thing, giving Mitchell, Munnerlyn and Ginn the contracts they got elsewhere would have been worse.
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03-14-2014, 01:57 PM
#2053
Originally Posted By cor030⏩
And the "bungling" was really how it happened. And everyone will forget that quickly. I miss Gantt.
Oh, and you all remember Darin Gantt, yeah? Former Panthers beat writer, fired because he wasn't a yes man for the team..
@daringantt: As badly as Dave Gettleman bungled the 89 thing, giving Mitchell, Munnerlyn and Ginn the contracts they got elsewhere would have been worse.
@daringantt: As badly as Dave Gettleman bungled the 89 thing, giving Mitchell, Munnerlyn and Ginn the contracts they got elsewhere would have been worse.
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03-14-2014, 04:00 PM
#2054
Originally Posted By NickA44⏩
crying like a little bitch. that kid's sister is more of a G than he is.
Did anyone else know this feel?
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03-14-2014, 05:14 PM
#2055
Smith to Ravens
Hakeem to Colts
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03-14-2014, 05:45 PM
#2056
def bummed Nicks signed a 1yr deal there
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03-14-2014, 05:50 PM
#2057
Losing out on a 1 year deal on Nicks sucks. Not the worst though.
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03-14-2014, 08:23 PM
#2058
Originally Posted By cor030⏩
This right here is where you're wrong. Smith is notorious for not being the "mentor" type. He views everyone as competition. Having him probably stunted the other receivers (and Cam's, to a certain extent) development a bit because he demands the ball. When he was a guy that COULD carry the entire load and single handedly obliterate a defense, sure that didn't really matter.. but he's just not the same Smitty anymore.
and trading draft picks is one of the many ways Hurney destroyed this team. We'd have to give up a future first to trade high enough to get Watkins. This is one of the deepest WR drafts in a while; WE WILL BE FINE.
and trading draft picks is one of the many ways Hurney destroyed this team. We'd have to give up a future first to trade high enough to get Watkins. This is one of the deepest WR drafts in a while; WE WILL BE FINE.
What? Smith not a mentor? Smith helped everyone on the team from offense to defense, even Hardy said Smith was the one who inspired this team, and Smith didn't give a F**k is some one else got to shine he was more than happy throwing blocks for other receivers. Nobody is arguing he's not the same Smith but losing 3 million? FOR WHAT? He was still are best receiver and are main third down guy.
Now we lost Nicks SMFH, Gettlemen got to cocky thought he had it in the bank, now we have to settle for James Jones or Sanders who are nothing special, I'm not so sure those guys want to play here anyways.
03-14-2014, 08:24 PM
#2059
Originally Posted By chlaxman⏩
Yeah, but oh well.
Losing out on a 1 year deal on Nicks sucks. Not the worst though.
You know what I absolutely fukking love about this whole offseason, though? I know it sounds all hocus pocus/bullsh*t but the underdog role really is legit. I normally don't believe in that kinda sh*t but the guys just play harder when no one expects anything. Everyone is going to hop off our nuts and we'll fade back into obscurity as "oh that's the team Cam plays on" not "oh that's the team with the 2nd ranked defense with like 3 final second comeback wins".
That make any sense whatsoever? lol.
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03-14-2014, 08:46 PM
#2060
From Bad to worst, it looks like we might resign Brandon Lafell
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03-15-2014, 04:56 AM
#2061
Originally Posted By Swept⏩
No, Smith has never been a mentor. He doesn't help young receivers and actually viewed them as a threat. He's said that publicly several times.
What? Smith not a mentor? Smith helped everyone on the team from offense to defense, even Hardy said Smith was the one who inspired this team, and Smith didn't give a F**k is some one else got to shine he was more than happy throwing blocks for other receivers. Nobody is arguing he's not the same Smith but losing 3 million? FOR WHAT? He was still are best receiver and are main third down guy.
Now we lost Nicks SMFH, Gettlemen got to cocky thought he had it in the bank, now we have to settle for James Jones or Sanders who are nothing special, I'm not so sure those guys want to play here anyways.
Now we lost Nicks SMFH, Gettlemen got to cocky thought he had it in the bank, now we have to settle for James Jones or Sanders who are nothing special, I'm not so sure those guys want to play here anyways.
It's really funny to see the difference in fan base reactions to the Smith and Wilfork situations.
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03-15-2014, 08:16 AM
#2062
Originally Posted By chlaxman⏩
No, Smith has never been a mentor. He doesn't help young receivers and actually viewed them as a threat. He's said that publicly several times.
It's really funny to see the difference in fan base reactions to the Smith and Wilfork situations.
It's really funny to see the difference in fan base reactions to the Smith and Wilfork situations.
I wonder if Laffel and Ginn said Smith didn't help them? cause I can't find it anywhere
LMFAO comparing Wilfork situation with Smith's
Vince is coming off an Achilles tear didn't play the whole season. And is taking up 11 million in Cap.
Smith was the panthers best receiver last season, and the patriots got Revis and Browner to help replace him, who have the panthers got???? Derek Anderson
03-15-2014, 08:32 AM
#2063
Originally Posted By Swept⏩
Smith says it himself. Dear God you are a dumbass. Please just go back to the ****ty RealGM forums.
I wonder if Laffel and Ginn said Smith didn't help them? cause I can't find it anywhere
LMFAO comparing Wilfork situation with Smith's
Vince is coming off an Achilles tear didn't play the whole season. And is taking up 11 million in Cap.
Smith was the panthers best receiver last season, and the patriots got Revis and Browner to help replace him, who have the panthers got???? Derek Anderson
LMFAO comparing Wilfork situation with Smith's
Vince is coming off an Achilles tear didn't play the whole season. And is taking up 11 million in Cap.
Smith was the panthers best receiver last season, and the patriots got Revis and Browner to help replace him, who have the panthers got???? Derek Anderson
Smith was not their best receiver, Olsen was. Who do they have to replace him? The draft and whatever leftovers, which is all they really need to replace the production of all 3 receivers.
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03-15-2014, 08:48 AM
#2064
how do you pick the colts when the panthers offer you more money and the chance to go back home and be the number one receiver…
03-15-2014, 08:55 AM
#2065
Originally Posted By chlaxman⏩
Find me the link
Smith says it himself. Dear God you are a dumbass. Please just go back to the ****ty RealGM forums.
Smith was not their best receiver, Olsen was. Who do they have to replace him? The draft and whatever leftovers, which is all they really need to replace the production of all 3 receivers.
Smith was not their best receiver, Olsen was. Who do they have to replace him? The draft and whatever leftovers, which is all they really need to replace the production of all 3 receivers.
Smith missed basically 2 games last season, he would of easily surpassed Olsen in yards. And I said receiver not tight end. So your saying 3 rookie receivers are gonna make up for the 3 WR that left?
BTW why do people keep avoiding the question, you would rather pay Smith 3 million to leave instead of paying him 7 million to stay?
03-15-2014, 10:42 AM
#2066
^^^^ no one is saying that. Fukk. I think it's safe to say all of us would have loved if Smitty stayed… but he isn't, and forgive us for not jumping off a fukking bridge and giving up on the season because we lost an old, slow receiver that has been declining for 2 seasons.
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03-15-2014, 11:03 AM
#2067
Hoping for good news of some type over the weekend. still without cable or internet due to the storms here and tracking this stuff on my phone sucks dick. i think were for sure drafting receivers early and often this year. barner gonna be our return man?
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03-15-2014, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted By Hotdawgy⏩
When you sign a 1year deal youre playing for next year. he knows the more stats he accumulates the more he willmake and the Colts probably throw it twice as much s we do. hes just hedging his bet.
how do you pick the colts when the panthers offer you more money and the chance to go back home and be the number one receiver…
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03-15-2014, 11:11 AM
#2069
Originally Posted By sircharles032⏩
yeah I hope we don't go OL in the first.. would be nice to get a receiver that can have an impact in year 1.
Hoping for good news of some type over the weekend. still without cable or internet due to the storms here and tracking this stuff on my phone sucks dick. i think were for sure drafting receivers early and often this year. barner gonna be our return man?
who is the fastest dude on the team?
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03-15-2014, 11:23 AM
#2070
Originally Posted By cor030⏩
Inb4 Cam
yeah I hope we don't go OL in the first.. would be nice to get a receiver that can have an impact in year 1.
who is the fastest dude on the team?
who is the fastest dude on the team?
also inb4 richardson brings back Armanti.
TFW Armanti Edwards has had a better career than any wr on the team
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