Look at the length of your posts before i thrashed your sources compared to this one. I’ve completely gutted you. I was never arguing about specifically the creep situation. Just the proof you had

The day after the settlement it was announced that Jordan did not accurately depict his penis. There are official documents stating this. Therefore the FBI agent is outright lying or ONLY going off of what the initial report said. While googling this Dorwin guy, I found this website. I wish I found it pages ago bc it would have saved me time and made you look even more dumb. This is a comprehensive website with pages and pages of sources destroying your points waaaayyyyy better than I already did.


https://themichaeljacksonallegations.com

Cliffs of our convo:
You: “he’s a creep bc _____”
Me: “yea but...______ isn’t even true”
You: “ I’m not saying that! I’m saying he’s a creep bc [repeat false evidence]
Me: “....no. That evidence isn’t true. Here’s proof.”
You: “you’re low IQ. I’m just saying he’s a creep because [false evidence]
Me: “dude. That’s all not true. That’s fake news”
You: “you’re mentally retarded. He’s a creep bc [fake evidence]

You won’t go to that website bc you know it results in your demise. So I’ll just take the consolation of knowing you are bowing out. You lose.

ETHER

I shortened the response because you kept talking about the only mentions of some of the things I'm talking about were coming from Wade and Safechuck. So I gave you a link to an interview done with Bill Dworin. Here's a short version of it in video form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=panosN01Hrk

So now a lead investigator of the 1993 case, who had more than three decades of experience, is saying that Jordan's description of MJ's penis matched. He talked about the hallway alarms. Etc. Does this mean he committed a crime. Nope. But like I said, I'm not arguing about evidence that would have convicted MJ. Been saying this since the first post. I'm arguing about different things, including behavior that add to the overall picture of MJ that in my opinion would label him as a creep. If you don't think any of it makes him a creep. Cool. That's why I'm mocking you and people like you.

So again, here is how our convo is going:

ME: "MJ's obsession with spending time with kids and having sleep overs; him paying off a kid in 1990 and 1993; Jordan's account of MJ's penis which a lead investigator says matched the photos; a lead investigator saying Jordan was believable; alarms in the bedroom hallway; fingerprints on adult magazines; etc, are all enough for me to say that at the very least, MJ was a creep who loved hanging out with kids because he got off on it. And anybody who says otherwise are idiots."

YOU: "OMG! There is no evidence that he ever molested a kid!"

ME: "I never said there was any evidence that would convict him of a crime or any smoking gun."

So what is the argument here??

Except I moved on from the “no evidence of conviction” and started attacking your proof. You are STILL completely ignoring that I debunked your penis thing. Here is an entire IN DEPTH ARTICLE with documents, drawings, testimony, proof, and judicial sources that it didn’t match:

https://themichaeljacksonallegations...by-the-police/

You have successfully used another source that is FALSE. This has got to be the 10th time I have debunked it. 10! As far as the hallway read this section:

https://themichaeljacksonallegations...n-allegations/

Wade was emailing himself allegations that he read on the Internet and incorporating them into his stories. It’s extremely possible that he read that detectives narrative and incorporated it. That’s me using common sense and logic that you mentioned earlier.

That website literally addresses EVERYTHING YOU HAVE POSTED. Read it. And accept your loss. Sorry bud.

Goodnight

If someone gave me $100 and said you must bet on which scenario MJ is

My money goes on a mentally retarded weirdo, asexual but with a weird obsession with little boys, accusers are in financial trouble and need the money

But we'll never know for sure

again, MJ was chemically castrated by his dad to preserve his voice


he had no testosterone, no functioning testicles.

Always lol when people talk about some regular porn vids or photos MJ supposedly had. Meanwhile, miscers would literally kill themselves in hordes if their browser history were to be revealed.

I am willing to bet the majority of the people that post here don't have child pornography in their history so that's ****ing bs.

Read my post. ''REGULAR PORN''. I'm simply referring to people's selective indignation on this. He had some photos of woman in bondage or some chit. fooooor shaaaaaame.

I'm not sure what happened... but what I can tell you is that it was completely abnormal that a grown man had a rotation of little boys that he hung out with and walked around holding hands with and slept in bed with.

he had an extensive collection of

- child pornography
- animal abuse pornography
- women being tortured


"regular porn"

supplied alcohol to and smoked weed with also while having these sleep overs...all underage..

"He has also contributed to two popular biographies of Michael Jackson. His specialisms include the justice system and black music." From Charles wikipedia's. Yeah hes not biased at all

Good job twisting chit around mate. I'm aware of the photos of women in bondage, no mention of torture as far as I know. But tell me, someone supposedly has all that stuff you're mentioning and that person is not thrown in jail immediately? Get the fuk out of here with that bullchit.

he had an extensive collection of

- child pornography
- animal abuse pornography
- women being tortured


"regular porn"

he had an extensive collection of

- child pornography
- animal abuse pornography
- women being tortured


"regular porn"

proof has been posted in this thread several times already and I did look it up so also him not being thrown in jail is an absolute bull**** comment since there are a ton of scumbags walking around freely that were involved in ****philia and child pornography.


there are a lot of people in the "upper echelons" that are involved directly with ****phelia it was even hinted in several tv shows.
none of them were arrested or spend a day in jail.

Journalist Charlie Thomson does a great job of breaking down the motives of Wade and Jimmy. From FB:

By Charlie Thomson - journalist:

I’ve felt total and utter shame at my industry as the coverage of tonight’s Michael Jackson TV show has grown increasingly dishonest and dangerous. I’ve worked in the media since I was a teenager. The whole media knows these two men are liars. But that’s not good for clicks or ratings.

For five years, these men – both professional actors – have been suing Michael Jackson’s estate for hundreds of millions of dollars. This lawsuit has generated thousands of pages of court records: witness statements, motions, depositions and disclosure. These public documents PROVE beyond any reasonable doubt that the men are lying. The whole media knows about these documents, but is refusing to report on their contents.

I’ve tried not to fill my ******** feed with posts about this, but you are all being lied to from every direction. So this is my contribution to the debate on ******** – a list of just some of the public record information the media is refusing to tell you.

*Both men strenuously defended Jackson, including under oath, for decades, and only decided they’d been molested years after his death, when they were both in financial trouble and filed a lawsuit seeking hundreds of millions of dollars. That lawsuit was thrown out of court – twice – but the men are in the middle of an appeal, giving them a gigantic financial motive to lie.

*Since filing their lawsuit, both men have repeatedly changed their stories, frequently telling directly contradictory versions of the same supposed events. For example, Wade Robson has told at least four directly contradictory stories about the first time Jackson supposedly abused him.

*In the lawsuit, Robson was caught lying under oath so brazenly that the judge threw out his entire witness statement and said no rational juror could ever believe his account.

*Between 2012 and 2014, Robson wrote two drafts of an abuse memoir and tried unsuccessfully to sell them to publishers. Meanwhile, he lied under oath and said he’d never discussed his allegations with anyone except his lawyers. When the Jackson estate discovered he’d actually been shopping books, the court ordered him to produce the drafts as evidence. They revealed the story of his abuse had changed significantly from one draft to the next.

*Robson was also ordered to release his emails as evidence. He breached the order repeatedly, first by claiming they didn’t exist, then by simply refusing to hand them over. Then he redacted all the emails between himself and his family members and cited ‘attorney-client’ privilege, even though none of his family are attorneys.

*When he eventually complied with the court order and released the emails, they revealed that at the time he was constructing his lawsuit and abuse memoir, he was researching and emailing himself links to old tabloid newspaper stories about abuse allegations against Michael Jackson.

*The emails showed Robson found one particular story from the early 1990s which specifically named he and his mother. He emailed it to his mother and asked whether it was true. She replied, ‘Wow, none of that is true’. He then included it in his story anyway.

*Emails also revealed that throughout 2011/12, Robson was lobbying Jackson’s estate for a job directing and choreographing an official Michael Jackson tribute show in Las Vegas. His campaign to secure this role had included sending emails explaining that his amazing friendship with Jackson meant nobody was better qualified for the role than he was, and he was devoted to doing the best job he possibly could ‘for Michael’. After being told someone else had got the job, he suddenly claimed he’d been abused and filed a creditor’s claim against the estate for millions of dollars.

*Months later, according to Jimmy Safechuck, he flipped on the TV and saw Wade Robson being interviewed about his lawsuit. In that moment, Safechuck suddenly remembered that he had been abused by Jackson as well, so decided to join the lawsuit. He didn’t mention that this epiphany coincided exactly with his inheritance circling the drain after a relative died and the surviving siblings started suing each other – including him – for control of the family business.

*Robson was also ordered to produce his diaries as evidence. In them, he’d written about how these allegations might rescue his failing career by making him ‘relatable and relevant’. He also wrote, ‘It’s time for me to get mine.’ When questioned under oath about what he’d meant when he wrote that, he refused to answer.

*Both men tell stories in the TV show which directly contradict stories told under oath in their lawsuit. In fact, they have continued to change their stories as recently as within the last week.

*For example, Jimmy Safechuck claims under oath in the lawsuit that he only remembered Jackson had abused him in 2013 when he turned on the TV and saw Robson. Yet in tonight’s TV show and interviews promoting it, he claims he knew he’d been abused in 2005 and thus, when asked to testify for Jackson’s defence ‘towards the end of the trial’, he refused to do so.

*But that’s a provable lie. Safechuck was never asked to testify for Jackson’s defence. The judge ruled long before the trial began that testimony could only be heard about certain children, and Safechuck was not one of them. All testimony about Safechuck was literally banned from the courtroom. So Jackson’s defence cannot have asked him to testify – and certainly not after the trial was already underway.

*Robson claimed in a BBC interview last week that Jackson had abused him ‘hundreds of times’. Yet his mother’s sworn testimony is that they went to Neverland roughly 14 times but Jackson was almost never there. She estimates the number of times they visited the ranch and he was actually there was four.

*Questioned about their financial motive, the men now say they don’t care about money and are only suing to embolden other abuse victims by holding the Jackson estate accountable. This is a provable lie. The lawsuit was originally filed under seal and Robson tried to extract a settlement from the estate with zero publicity. Only when the estate refused to pay a bean did he go public.

I could continue, but if you’re still on board with the TV show and its accusers at this point, you are irrational to the point of mania.

Tonight’s TV show covers up all of this information, instead presenting two professional actors’ heavily edited and completely unchallenged testimony without ever examining their credibility, their proven lies and perjury, their constantly changing stories or their financial motives.

It is a stain on the journalistic profession, as has been the rest of the media’s coverage.

Cliffs: Money is a significant motivator for failing losers who want a free pass.

Again, not denying MJ was weird AF. But 10 years after his death, this documentary explodes onto the scene. Very fishy.

yea I don't think you watched the video lol. She says:

1 - There was never evidence of anything
2 - They have no idea why these checks were written (the FBI found no evidence of him paying off multiple people)
3 - she has never seen him in a bed with a child

lets dissect the links one by one



The screenshot of the legal document that you posted specifically states "there was no child pornography found and no illegal activity." The books that naked kids playing and stuff were old books that was a gift from a fan.



Tabloid site. next you're going to post the daily inquirer or something lol. there was no child porn found in the house. This site is lying.

this is a joke.



The headline is "child porn stash found at Jackson home"...the FBI said there was no child porn found. this site is lying.

also, the first sentence of the article is "rumors have emerged that...."

this is a joke.



This website uses the exact same source that the link before this did. Radar Online. It is completely based on Rumors that were released at the time but before the FBI SPECIFICALLY STATED that no child porn was found. LA Times adds that adult porn was found. then speculates that it was used to groom kids lol. thats like me checking your search history, finding porn, then saying "see! you use that on kids!"

this is a joke.



another Radar Online re post. Read this:https://themichaeljacksonallegations...ns-possession/

you refuse to read, but If you scroll down, it shows you the books that were inside the house. All of which are in the Library of Congress. They are artistic stylings of women and children...Some of them are are like they are puppets on strings. This is described as "books like women and children being strangled." lmfaoooo. the prosecution put together these documents. They purposely word it badly to push their case through. this isn't difficult to figure out.

Next time...dont just google Michale Jackson child porn" and post the first few links you find. you might not be smart enough to hold your own convo but at least LOOK at your fukking sources before you post them in this thread. don't let it happen again.

Once again, and I'll repeat, I am taking everything into account about how Michael Jackson behaved around kids. If I repeat it, it would do no good because you must have read it a dozen times already and it's not registering for you. It is my opinion that MJ was a creep and anybody who doesn't even think that is an idiot. That doesn't mean I have to find evidence that he actually molested a kid. Doing so would be a smoking gun. If such a thing existed, he would be in prison. When it comes to proof, the drawings weren't precise, but the kid did get a marking right. A lead investigator even says he did. Said he found the kid believable. Actually said the hallways had alarms. Etc.

I'll repeat, none of this convicts MJ of a crime. But all of it, when compiled with his other behavior doesn't paint him in a positive light.

And going back to the finger prints to the magazine, you keep saying that doesn't mean anything. Once again, I agree. But when it's added to his behavior around kids, it's just another thing that doesn't help his case.

The dude paid off an accuser 1993. He could have cleared his name if he truly felt he was innocent and he could prove it to the world. But he didn't. Does that mean he was guilty. Nope. But again, it doesn't paint him in a positive light.

I will say it again, MJ was at minimum a creep who got off on hanging out with other people's kids.

Completely useless point. MJ himself admitted in interview, nonchalantly, that he sleeps with boys in his bed as young as 12.

Who cares that his sister says it didnt happen. MJ himself said it did. Her credibility at this point is shot.

LMAO don't bother, he's a Michael Jackson sycophant. He was copying and pasting word for word rebuttals from other Jackson sycophants


BTW multiple investigators actually said the kids penis description perfectly match Jackson penis. Not only that but the whole "Jackson was so to very sick so he settled" its a complete bullchit. There was no hospital record of Jackson being sick, Jackson was kept showing up late to court and kept missing court dates, The reason Jackson settle is cause he knew he was guilty and his attorneys told him to stay home cause he was on the verge of compromising the whole case. Keep in mind Jackson offered the family 1 million dollars of hush money before settling.

Maybe he did but 100% of people in the documentary were doing this for the money

I agree 100%. I’m just saying that’s what she said in the video. He 100% agreed to sleeping with kids in the bed. I was just mentioning that.




You are so dumb lol. There is no official document or report that says it matches the penis exactly. There is, however, the exact fukking opposite. The little boys lawyer specifically moved to have that piece of evidence banned from court bc it wasn’t correct. Jackson’s defense wanted to use that in their case. Why would they want to do that if it was perfect description? You’re smarter than that.

And no. The family came to MJ and extorted him. They asked for 750-$1m. MJ and his team told them to fukk off and that’s when they went to trial.

Also at the end of the day, they had a tour to go on. The trial would have completely detailed that tour AND The following one, Regardless of the outcome of the trial, the public (like you) would think he was guilty anyway. He spent the $23m and then went on tour to make $100m+.

Stop lying in this thread.