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I'm not sure what happened... but what I can tell you is that it was completely abnormal that a grown man had a rotation of little boys that he hung out with and walked around holding hands with and slept in bed with.
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Journalist Charlie Thomson does a great job of breaking down the motives of Wade and Jimmy. From FB:
By Charlie Thomson - journalist:
I’ve felt total and utter shame at my industry as the coverage of tonight’s Michael Jackson TV show has grown increasingly dishonest and dangerous. I’ve worked in the media since I was a teenager. The whole media knows these two men are liars. But that’s not good for clicks or ratings.
For five years, these men – both professional actors – have been suing Michael Jackson’s estate for hundreds of millions of dollars. This lawsuit has generated thousands of pages of court records: witness statements, motions, depositions and disclosure. These public documents PROVE beyond any reasonable doubt that the men are lying. The whole media knows about these documents, but is refusing to report on their contents.
I’ve tried not to fill my ******** feed with posts about this, but you are all being lied to from every direction. So this is my contribution to the debate on ******** – a list of just some of the public record information the media is refusing to tell you.
*Both men strenuously defended Jackson, including under oath, for decades, and only decided they’d been molested years after his death, when they were both in financial trouble and filed a lawsuit seeking hundreds of millions of dollars. That lawsuit was thrown out of court – twice – but the men are in the middle of an appeal, giving them a gigantic financial motive to lie.
*Since filing their lawsuit, both men have repeatedly changed their stories, frequently telling directly contradictory versions of the same supposed events. For example, Wade Robson has told at least four directly contradictory stories about the first time Jackson supposedly abused him.
*In the lawsuit, Robson was caught lying under oath so brazenly that the judge threw out his entire witness statement and said no rational juror could ever believe his account.
*Between 2012 and 2014, Robson wrote two drafts of an abuse memoir and tried unsuccessfully to sell them to publishers. Meanwhile, he lied under oath and said he’d never discussed his allegations with anyone except his lawyers. When the Jackson estate discovered he’d actually been shopping books, the court ordered him to produce the drafts as evidence. They revealed the story of his abuse had changed significantly from one draft to the next.
*Robson was also ordered to release his emails as evidence. He breached the order repeatedly, first by claiming they didn’t exist, then by simply refusing to hand them over. Then he redacted all the emails between himself and his family members and cited ‘attorney-client’ privilege, even though none of his family are attorneys.
*When he eventually complied with the court order and released the emails, they revealed that at the time he was constructing his lawsuit and abuse memoir, he was researching and emailing himself links to old tabloid newspaper stories about abuse allegations against Michael Jackson.
*The emails showed Robson found one particular story from the early 1990s which specifically named he and his mother. He emailed it to his mother and asked whether it was true. She replied, ‘Wow, none of that is true’. He then included it in his story anyway.
*Emails also revealed that throughout 2011/12, Robson was lobbying Jackson’s estate for a job directing and choreographing an official Michael Jackson tribute show in Las Vegas. His campaign to secure this role had included sending emails explaining that his amazing friendship with Jackson meant nobody was better qualified for the role than he was, and he was devoted to doing the best job he possibly could ‘for Michael’. After being told someone else had got the job, he suddenly claimed he’d been abused and filed a creditor’s claim against the estate for millions of dollars.
*Months later, according to Jimmy Safechuck, he flipped on the TV and saw Wade Robson being interviewed about his lawsuit. In that moment, Safechuck suddenly remembered that he had been abused by Jackson as well, so decided to join the lawsuit. He didn’t mention that this epiphany coincided exactly with his inheritance circling the drain after a relative died and the surviving siblings started suing each other – including him – for control of the family business.
*Robson was also ordered to produce his diaries as evidence. In them, he’d written about how these allegations might rescue his failing career by making him ‘relatable and relevant’. He also wrote, ‘It’s time for me to get mine.’ When questioned under oath about what he’d meant when he wrote that, he refused to answer.
*Both men tell stories in the TV show which directly contradict stories told under oath in their lawsuit. In fact, they have continued to change their stories as recently as within the last week.
*For example, Jimmy Safechuck claims under oath in the lawsuit that he only remembered Jackson had abused him in 2013 when he turned on the TV and saw Robson. Yet in tonight’s TV show and interviews promoting it, he claims he knew he’d been abused in 2005 and thus, when asked to testify for Jackson’s defence ‘towards the end of the trial’, he refused to do so.
*But that’s a provable lie. Safechuck was never asked to testify for Jackson’s defence. The judge ruled long before the trial began that testimony could only be heard about certain children, and Safechuck was not one of them. All testimony about Safechuck was literally banned from the courtroom. So Jackson’s defence cannot have asked him to testify – and certainly not after the trial was already underway.
*Robson claimed in a BBC interview last week that Jackson had abused him ‘hundreds of times’. Yet his mother’s sworn testimony is that they went to Neverland roughly 14 times but Jackson was almost never there. She estimates the number of times they visited the ranch and he was actually there was four.
*Questioned about their financial motive, the men now say they don’t care about money and are only suing to embolden other abuse victims by holding the Jackson estate accountable. This is a provable lie. The lawsuit was originally filed under seal and Robson tried to extract a settlement from the estate with zero publicity. Only when the estate refused to pay a bean did he go public.
I could continue, but if you’re still on board with the TV show and its accusers at this point, you are irrational to the point of mania.
Tonight’s TV show covers up all of this information, instead presenting two professional actors’ heavily edited and completely unchallenged testimony without ever examining their credibility, their proven lies and perjury, their constantly changing stories or their financial motives.
It is a stain on the journalistic profession, as has been the rest of the media’s coverage.
Cliffs: Money is a significant motivator for failing losers who want a free pass.
Again, not denying MJ was weird AF. But 10 years after his death, this documentary explodes onto the scene. Very fishy.
By Charlie Thomson - journalist:
I’ve felt total and utter shame at my industry as the coverage of tonight’s Michael Jackson TV show has grown increasingly dishonest and dangerous. I’ve worked in the media since I was a teenager. The whole media knows these two men are liars. But that’s not good for clicks or ratings.
For five years, these men – both professional actors – have been suing Michael Jackson’s estate for hundreds of millions of dollars. This lawsuit has generated thousands of pages of court records: witness statements, motions, depositions and disclosure. These public documents PROVE beyond any reasonable doubt that the men are lying. The whole media knows about these documents, but is refusing to report on their contents.
I’ve tried not to fill my ******** feed with posts about this, but you are all being lied to from every direction. So this is my contribution to the debate on ******** – a list of just some of the public record information the media is refusing to tell you.
*Both men strenuously defended Jackson, including under oath, for decades, and only decided they’d been molested years after his death, when they were both in financial trouble and filed a lawsuit seeking hundreds of millions of dollars. That lawsuit was thrown out of court – twice – but the men are in the middle of an appeal, giving them a gigantic financial motive to lie.
*Since filing their lawsuit, both men have repeatedly changed their stories, frequently telling directly contradictory versions of the same supposed events. For example, Wade Robson has told at least four directly contradictory stories about the first time Jackson supposedly abused him.
*In the lawsuit, Robson was caught lying under oath so brazenly that the judge threw out his entire witness statement and said no rational juror could ever believe his account.
*Between 2012 and 2014, Robson wrote two drafts of an abuse memoir and tried unsuccessfully to sell them to publishers. Meanwhile, he lied under oath and said he’d never discussed his allegations with anyone except his lawyers. When the Jackson estate discovered he’d actually been shopping books, the court ordered him to produce the drafts as evidence. They revealed the story of his abuse had changed significantly from one draft to the next.
*Robson was also ordered to release his emails as evidence. He breached the order repeatedly, first by claiming they didn’t exist, then by simply refusing to hand them over. Then he redacted all the emails between himself and his family members and cited ‘attorney-client’ privilege, even though none of his family are attorneys.
*When he eventually complied with the court order and released the emails, they revealed that at the time he was constructing his lawsuit and abuse memoir, he was researching and emailing himself links to old tabloid newspaper stories about abuse allegations against Michael Jackson.
*The emails showed Robson found one particular story from the early 1990s which specifically named he and his mother. He emailed it to his mother and asked whether it was true. She replied, ‘Wow, none of that is true’. He then included it in his story anyway.
*Emails also revealed that throughout 2011/12, Robson was lobbying Jackson’s estate for a job directing and choreographing an official Michael Jackson tribute show in Las Vegas. His campaign to secure this role had included sending emails explaining that his amazing friendship with Jackson meant nobody was better qualified for the role than he was, and he was devoted to doing the best job he possibly could ‘for Michael’. After being told someone else had got the job, he suddenly claimed he’d been abused and filed a creditor’s claim against the estate for millions of dollars.
*Months later, according to Jimmy Safechuck, he flipped on the TV and saw Wade Robson being interviewed about his lawsuit. In that moment, Safechuck suddenly remembered that he had been abused by Jackson as well, so decided to join the lawsuit. He didn’t mention that this epiphany coincided exactly with his inheritance circling the drain after a relative died and the surviving siblings started suing each other – including him – for control of the family business.
*Robson was also ordered to produce his diaries as evidence. In them, he’d written about how these allegations might rescue his failing career by making him ‘relatable and relevant’. He also wrote, ‘It’s time for me to get mine.’ When questioned under oath about what he’d meant when he wrote that, he refused to answer.
*Both men tell stories in the TV show which directly contradict stories told under oath in their lawsuit. In fact, they have continued to change their stories as recently as within the last week.
*For example, Jimmy Safechuck claims under oath in the lawsuit that he only remembered Jackson had abused him in 2013 when he turned on the TV and saw Robson. Yet in tonight’s TV show and interviews promoting it, he claims he knew he’d been abused in 2005 and thus, when asked to testify for Jackson’s defence ‘towards the end of the trial’, he refused to do so.
*But that’s a provable lie. Safechuck was never asked to testify for Jackson’s defence. The judge ruled long before the trial began that testimony could only be heard about certain children, and Safechuck was not one of them. All testimony about Safechuck was literally banned from the courtroom. So Jackson’s defence cannot have asked him to testify – and certainly not after the trial was already underway.
*Robson claimed in a BBC interview last week that Jackson had abused him ‘hundreds of times’. Yet his mother’s sworn testimony is that they went to Neverland roughly 14 times but Jackson was almost never there. She estimates the number of times they visited the ranch and he was actually there was four.
*Questioned about their financial motive, the men now say they don’t care about money and are only suing to embolden other abuse victims by holding the Jackson estate accountable. This is a provable lie. The lawsuit was originally filed under seal and Robson tried to extract a settlement from the estate with zero publicity. Only when the estate refused to pay a bean did he go public.
I could continue, but if you’re still on board with the TV show and its accusers at this point, you are irrational to the point of mania.
Tonight’s TV show covers up all of this information, instead presenting two professional actors’ heavily edited and completely unchallenged testimony without ever examining their credibility, their proven lies and perjury, their constantly changing stories or their financial motives.
It is a stain on the journalistic profession, as has been the rest of the media’s coverage.
Cliffs: Money is a significant motivator for failing losers who want a free pass.
Again, not denying MJ was weird AF. But 10 years after his death, this documentary explodes onto the scene. Very fishy.
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Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩
the entire basis of your posts is that I, and others, are defending him because we thought his music was too good..you said that yourself. you just contradicted yourself AGAIN.More low IQ merry-go-round. You honestly thought I thought you were defending him because you thought his music was too good? Like that is something you really want to dissect into? You're losing it.
Again, there was findings that show a pattern of questionable behavior. When all put together, do not convict him of a crime. But when looked at as a whole, warrants a lot of people to think that he was at the very least a creep. Said it before and I'll say it again. I never said that he exposed himself willingly to the kid. I said was that the kid was able to identify markings that were on the underside of his penis. All I said is that, if a kid is able to do that, then chances are, you failed at not being a creep.
this is actually incredible. so you weren't saying he exposed himself at all. you were simply saying "if a kid can describe your penis he must have seen it in some way!" you werent implying at all that he may have exposed an erect penis huh? ok dude lol.You can go through all my posts to see the context. I also stated that adult-oriented statues were in his room during the sleepovers. If you have links that say these claims are false, post them. And the other thing I forgot to mention is that the hallway leading to his room was equipped with a sound that would indicate if somebody was coming to his room. None of these are concrete proof he is a ped0. But, taken into context, I and others believe that it at minimum made him into a creep.
I don't have to prove its false. you have to prove its real. the only source you have is vanity fair. ive googled every variation of "ball gag statue Michael jackson' and found nothing. that other point you made is also stolen directly from vanity fair.This, like I said, is a pattern of behavior that warrants people to question his behavior or label him as something something more than just a guy who was "special".
Again, logic and common sense tells me that there is way too much smoke that at the minimum, MJ was at least a creep. And if that's the case, even if he didn't do anything illegal, or could be proven that he did anything illegal, does his actions and behavior warrant people to label him as such. To me, it does. And I personally think people who don't are idiotic.
so lets recap. the only "pattern of behaviour' that you have is things that were completely made up and/or ONLY posted on vanity fair.Again, logic and common sense tells me that there is way too much smoke that at the minimum, MJ was at least a creep. And if that's the case, even if he didn't do anything illegal, or could be proven that he did anything illegal, does his actions and behavior warrant people to label him as such. To me, it does. And I personally think people who don't are idiotic.
pretty strong case bud
Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩
this makes it very clear that you didn't read my posts. HE didn't want to pay them off but his power of attorney made that decision. you lose every post every time. STOP EMBARRISSING YOURSELFIt's funny how people keep saying "MJ paid the family off so that he can go touring!" Yeah, I'm sure it's more important to have that cloud hanging over you than really clearing your name. Paying off a victim doesn't mean an admittance of guilt. But damn, it doesn't look good. People were just willing to overlook it because Thriller was an awesome album.
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Originally Posted By ryankoch⏩
I don’t see what the big deal
Is he was sucking the kids off too, giving them rim jobs and ****, theme park rides all the candy you want. I’m jealous of those kids
Is he was sucking the kids off too, giving them rim jobs and ****, theme park rides all the candy you want. I’m jealous of those kids
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[QUOTE=messomi post_id=1575491591][b]he should not be sleeping in the same bed with under aged children with the doors closed period [/size][/b][/QUOTE]No one disagrees.
Any other incredibly obvious statements you want to make??
Any other incredibly obvious statements you want to make??
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Originally Posted By Godyssey⏩
LMAO.No one disagrees.
Any other incredibly obvious statements you want to make??
Any other incredibly obvious statements you want to make??
The funny thing is nobody here states the obvious. The families were living it up with Michael's money. Suites, first class flights, money and gifts. The moms can say whatever the frack they want, but in their hearts they know why they turned a blind eye to the obvious strange behavior. Because they were too afraid of losing the luxuries provided by him. They were willing to sell their sons for those luxuries.
And they still are. That's why they're in that documentary. That's why they're still bent on getting money from the estate. They got used to the luxuries and now that he's gone and they've had to make it on their own, they're all crying about it.
People and money .. such a sad state of affairs we live in.
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Originally Posted By OneLegSquats⏩
“Occam’s razor is the problem-solving principle that essentially states that "simpler solutions are more likely to be correct than complex ones". When presented with competing hypotheses to solve a problem, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions. Wikipedia”It takes a special kind of weird for a grown ass man to invest millions in a theme park for kids, playing with toys and reading poems with kids, dancing with kids on stage, wanting to meet with kids in private, sending creepy happy birthday video messages to kids. And boys, not fat ugly boys, or girls. Never heard about him smashing groupies, never heard about him even dating anyone really. I dunno mang, maybe we will never know.
I 100% believe he touched them and was into young boys.
He did not penetrate though as he knew that would be 10x harder to cover up.
If you dont think there was any, none, zero attraction for young boys from him youre absolutely not living in reality. My hypothesis is the most likely and most tame. Theres a good chance there was oral maybe even penetration involved. I think he was fuked up mentally and did his best to control it. I dont think he ever wanted to hurt kids - 100% the opposite. That and loss of fans are why theres a good chance it was just touching. Still completely wrong but theres a huge dif between that and penetration.
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Originally Posted By Godyssey⏩
This.CLIFFS
2 people came on a show to say MJ molested them. Those same people testified, under oath, on the behalf of their abuser and said MJ never touched them. They defended him when another person accused MJ Of molestation (who later came out and said they were lying for $$). Those two tried to sell stories, merch, and memorabilia of MJ to make money but failed mostly. Recently, they were denied a producer position on a MJ documentary and then MAGICALLY have a tell all show confessing their abuse. Only after the family all but disowned them.
The Feds investigated MJ for 10 years. They tapped his phone and computer while tracking his movements. They raided his house. Guess what they found! (Spoiler Alert: nothing). This is the same Feds who had a conviction rate as high as 93% .
You can call him weird. Sure I’d say he was a strange cat. But he has quite literally beat the allegations in every possible way. Anyone with a brain would dismiss this BS, just like all the judges and Federal Bureaus before. Wonder why thats not the case with MJ hmmmm.
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2 people came on a show to say MJ molested them. Those same people testified, under oath, on the behalf of their abuser and said MJ never touched them. They defended him when another person accused MJ Of molestation (who later came out and said they were lying for $$). Those two tried to sell stories, merch, and memorabilia of MJ to make money but failed mostly. Recently, they were denied a producer position on a MJ documentary and then MAGICALLY have a tell all show confessing their abuse. Only after the family all but disowned them.
The Feds investigated MJ for 10 years. They tapped his phone and computer while tracking his movements. They raided his house. Guess what they found! (Spoiler Alert: nothing). This is the same Feds who had a conviction rate as high as 93% .
You can call him weird. Sure I’d say he was a strange cat. But he has quite literally beat the allegations in every possible way. Anyone with a brain would dismiss this BS, just like all the judges and Federal Bureaus before. Wonder why thats not the case with MJ hmmmm.
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It is hilarious, no, worrisome how people are saying they watched the whole doc, he is definately guilty. Yea that was agenda of the show, to make him look guilty. They did not include all the details. There are 2 kids, Macully Culckin and Corey Feldman who both say he didnt do anything to them or any other kid when they were there, and just look at that, neither of these two need to make a quick buck. Where are the docs on all the paedos in hollywood and the gov? MJ was and has always been a diversion to take eyes away from the real Paedos. BBC were reporting MJ as a paedo whilst covering up Jummy Saville and STuart Hall. Says it all. Im no fan of MJ either but strongly believe he's innocent.
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Originally Posted By Godyssey⏩
More low IQ posts from this guy.the entire basis of your posts is that I, and others, are defending him because we thought his music was too good..you said that yourself. you just contradicted yourself AGAIN.
this is actually incredible. so you weren't saying he exposed himself at all. you were simply saying "if a kid can describe your penis he must have seen it in some way!" you werent implying at all that he may have exposed an erect penis huh? ok dude lol.
I don't have to prove its false. you have to prove its real. the only source you have is vanity fair. ive googled every variation of "ball gag statue Michael jackson' and found nothing. that other point you made is also stolen directly from vanity fair.
so lets recap. the only "pattern of behaviour' that you have is things that were completely made up and/or ONLY posted on vanity fair.
pretty strong case bud
this makes it very clear that you didn't read my posts. HE didn't want to pay them off but his power of attorney made that decision. you lose every post every time. STOP EMBARRISSING YOURSELF
this is actually incredible. so you weren't saying he exposed himself at all. you were simply saying "if a kid can describe your penis he must have seen it in some way!" you werent implying at all that he may have exposed an erect penis huh? ok dude lol.
I don't have to prove its false. you have to prove its real. the only source you have is vanity fair. ive googled every variation of "ball gag statue Michael jackson' and found nothing. that other point you made is also stolen directly from vanity fair.
so lets recap. the only "pattern of behaviour' that you have is things that were completely made up and/or ONLY posted on vanity fair.
pretty strong case bud
this makes it very clear that you didn't read my posts. HE didn't want to pay them off but his power of attorney made that decision. you lose every post every time. STOP EMBARRISSING YOURSELF
Again with the "you said I only defended him because I like his music!". I don't care why you are defending him. It's a blanket statement. Some people are defending him because they like his music too much. Some are defending him because they like him. Some are defending him because they don't think there's enough evidence to convict him. I don't care what the basis is for somebody defending him. I'm just mocking those who can't even come to the conclusion that he is at least a creep due to their own bias or lack of ability to use logic and common sense.
Like I said, I didn't say there was conclusive proof he exposed himself. Just that if a kid is able to describe your genitalia, you have most likely failed as an appropriate-acting adult. Glad you finally realized it.
Who says I'm saying you have to prove his innocence? I'm just here citing different things I read and heard. If these have been proven to be false, by all means, post the links. But if they're available for reference from sources, that would be in danger of lawsuits if they're proven to be lies, I'll cite them.
So let's recap the pattern of behavior - Adult who liked to sleep in bed with other people's children. A lot. With the doors closed. Behind a hallway that is fully equipped with a warning system. Multiple accusations. And even after paying off one accuser, still continues to sleep in bed with other people's children. Gave gifts to the children's parents. Had questionable material in his room, some being adult magazines where his and the children's fingerprints were found to be on. Kid was able to state that Michael's junk had markings due to his skin condition.
Also, you keep saying his power of attorney is the one who decided to pay off the victim. Yes, yes, Michael wanted to fight the case to the death, but it was not his choice. Please. By the way, it's wasn't the first time he's paid off an accuser either.
https://nypost.com/2004/09/04/jacko-i-paid-off-accuser/
Like I said, the basis of my post was that there is enough for me and others to think that MJ was at the minimum who was a creep who got off on his relationships with kids. That doesn't mean he actually committed a crime, or there is concrete evidence that he did. I am using logic and common sense to decipher the situation and am concluding that he is a creep. I know this is difficult for you to grasp because you're slow, but maybe one day you will. That is why I am mocking individuals such as yourself. You actually want to believe that he was just special and his weird behavior was innocent. Hehe.
People aren't asking to put cuffs on his bones, but his reputation and legacy is tarnished. That's a fact. I was a fan, but it's too ridiculous for me to keep pretending the guy wasn't at least a creep since if he was just some random dude, I would have no hesitation to think so.
03-10-2019, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted By Jacko⏩
Funny how he kept settling. You would think someone charged with molestation would do everything in their power to completely clear their name.“Years ago, I settled with certain individuals because I was concerned about my family and the media scrutiny that would have ensued if I fought the matter in court"
BRB handing out millions but totally innocent.
He was also low key negotiating back and forth with Evan Chandler. Then conveniently checks himself into a hospital and lets friends settle so he can play the "I didn't really want to settle but insurance insisted!!"
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This may be a very stupid qestion but ill ask away.
Since he was chemically castrated how did he end up having kids? and how did he bust nuts with these young boys as they claimed he did? im confused.
Since he was chemically castrated how did he end up having kids? and how did he bust nuts with these young boys as they claimed he did? im confused.
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Originally Posted By JoocyMane13⏩
He wasn't chemically castrated by his father or anyone else.This may be a very stupid qestion but ill ask away.
Since he was chemically castrated how did he end up having kids? and how did he bust nuts with these young boys as they claimed he did? im confused.
Since he was chemically castrated how did he end up having kids? and how did he bust nuts with these young boys as they claimed he did? im confused.
He started growing facial hair and he has an Adam's apple.
These things don't develop in a castrati. Oh.. and acne.
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"He has also contributed to two popular biographies of Michael Jackson. His specialisms include the justice system and black music." From Charles wikipedia's. Yeah hes not biased at allJournalist Charlie Thomson does a great job of breaking down the motives of Wade and Jimmy. From FB:
By Charlie Thomson - journalist:
I’ve felt total and utter shame at my industry as the coverage of tonight’s Michael Jackson TV show has grown increasingly dishonest and dangerous. I’ve worked in the media since I was a teenager. The whole media knows these two men are liars. But that’s not good for clicks or ratings.
For five years, these men – both professional actors – have been suing Michael Jackson’s estate for hundreds of millions of dollars. This lawsuit has generated thousands of pages of court records: witness statements, motions, depositions and disclosure. These public documents PROVE beyond any reasonable doubt that the men are lying. The whole media knows about these documents, but is refusing to report on their contents.
I’ve tried not to fill my ******** feed with posts about this, but you are all being lied to from every direction. So this is my contribution to the debate on ******** – a list of just some of the public record information the media is refusing to tell you.
*Both men strenuously defended Jackson, including under oath, for decades, and only decided they’d been molested years after his death, when they were both in financial trouble and filed a lawsuit seeking hundreds of millions of dollars. That lawsuit was thrown out of court – twice – but the men are in the middle of an appeal, giving them a gigantic financial motive to lie.
*Since filing their lawsuit, both men have repeatedly changed their stories, frequently telling directly contradictory versions of the same supposed events. For example, Wade Robson has told at least four directly contradictory stories about the first time Jackson supposedly abused him.
*In the lawsuit, Robson was caught lying under oath so brazenly that the judge threw out his entire witness statement and said no rational juror could ever believe his account.
*Between 2012 and 2014, Robson wrote two drafts of an abuse memoir and tried unsuccessfully to sell them to publishers. Meanwhile, he lied under oath and said he’d never discussed his allegations with anyone except his lawyers. When the Jackson estate discovered he’d actually been shopping books, the court ordered him to produce the drafts as evidence. They revealed the story of his abuse had changed significantly from one draft to the next.
*Robson was also ordered to release his emails as evidence. He breached the order repeatedly, first by claiming they didn’t exist, then by simply refusing to hand them over. Then he redacted all the emails between himself and his family members and cited ‘attorney-client’ privilege, even though none of his family are attorneys.
*When he eventually complied with the court order and released the emails, they revealed that at the time he was constructing his lawsuit and abuse memoir, he was researching and emailing himself links to old tabloid newspaper stories about abuse allegations against Michael Jackson.
*The emails showed Robson found one particular story from the early 1990s which specifically named he and his mother. He emailed it to his mother and asked whether it was true. She replied, ‘Wow, none of that is true’. He then included it in his story anyway.
*Emails also revealed that throughout 2011/12, Robson was lobbying Jackson’s estate for a job directing and choreographing an official Michael Jackson tribute show in Las Vegas. His campaign to secure this role had included sending emails explaining that his amazing friendship with Jackson meant nobody was better qualified for the role than he was, and he was devoted to doing the best job he possibly could ‘for Michael’. After being told someone else had got the job, he suddenly claimed he’d been abused and filed a creditor’s claim against the estate for millions of dollars.
*Months later, according to Jimmy Safechuck, he flipped on the TV and saw Wade Robson being interviewed about his lawsuit. In that moment, Safechuck suddenly remembered that he had been abused by Jackson as well, so decided to join the lawsuit. He didn’t mention that this epiphany coincided exactly with his inheritance circling the drain after a relative died and the surviving siblings started suing each other – including him – for control of the family business.
*Robson was also ordered to produce his diaries as evidence. In them, he’d written about how these allegations might rescue his failing career by making him ‘relatable and relevant’. He also wrote, ‘It’s time for me to get mine.’ When questioned under oath about what he’d meant when he wrote that, he refused to answer.
*Both men tell stories in the TV show which directly contradict stories told under oath in their lawsuit. In fact, they have continued to change their stories as recently as within the last week.
*For example, Jimmy Safechuck claims under oath in the lawsuit that he only remembered Jackson had abused him in 2013 when he turned on the TV and saw Robson. Yet in tonight’s TV show and interviews promoting it, he claims he knew he’d been abused in 2005 and thus, when asked to testify for Jackson’s defence ‘towards the end of the trial’, he refused to do so.
*But that’s a provable lie. Safechuck was never asked to testify for Jackson’s defence. The judge ruled long before the trial began that testimony could only be heard about certain children, and Safechuck was not one of them. All testimony about Safechuck was literally banned from the courtroom. So Jackson’s defence cannot have asked him to testify – and certainly not after the trial was already underway.
*Robson claimed in a BBC interview last week that Jackson had abused him ‘hundreds of times’. Yet his mother’s sworn testimony is that they went to Neverland roughly 14 times but Jackson was almost never there. She estimates the number of times they visited the ranch and he was actually there was four.
*Questioned about their financial motive, the men now say they don’t care about money and are only suing to embolden other abuse victims by holding the Jackson estate accountable. This is a provable lie. The lawsuit was originally filed under seal and Robson tried to extract a settlement from the estate with zero publicity. Only when the estate refused to pay a bean did he go public.
I could continue, but if you’re still on board with the TV show and its accusers at this point, you are irrational to the point of mania.
Tonight’s TV show covers up all of this information, instead presenting two professional actors’ heavily edited and completely unchallenged testimony without ever examining their credibility, their proven lies and perjury, their constantly changing stories or their financial motives.
It is a stain on the journalistic profession, as has been the rest of the media’s coverage.
Cliffs: Money is a significant motivator for failing losers who want a free pass.
Again, not denying MJ was weird AF. But 10 years after his death, this documentary explodes onto the scene. Very fishy.
By Charlie Thomson - journalist:
I’ve felt total and utter shame at my industry as the coverage of tonight’s Michael Jackson TV show has grown increasingly dishonest and dangerous. I’ve worked in the media since I was a teenager. The whole media knows these two men are liars. But that’s not good for clicks or ratings.
For five years, these men – both professional actors – have been suing Michael Jackson’s estate for hundreds of millions of dollars. This lawsuit has generated thousands of pages of court records: witness statements, motions, depositions and disclosure. These public documents PROVE beyond any reasonable doubt that the men are lying. The whole media knows about these documents, but is refusing to report on their contents.
I’ve tried not to fill my ******** feed with posts about this, but you are all being lied to from every direction. So this is my contribution to the debate on ******** – a list of just some of the public record information the media is refusing to tell you.
*Both men strenuously defended Jackson, including under oath, for decades, and only decided they’d been molested years after his death, when they were both in financial trouble and filed a lawsuit seeking hundreds of millions of dollars. That lawsuit was thrown out of court – twice – but the men are in the middle of an appeal, giving them a gigantic financial motive to lie.
*Since filing their lawsuit, both men have repeatedly changed their stories, frequently telling directly contradictory versions of the same supposed events. For example, Wade Robson has told at least four directly contradictory stories about the first time Jackson supposedly abused him.
*In the lawsuit, Robson was caught lying under oath so brazenly that the judge threw out his entire witness statement and said no rational juror could ever believe his account.
*Between 2012 and 2014, Robson wrote two drafts of an abuse memoir and tried unsuccessfully to sell them to publishers. Meanwhile, he lied under oath and said he’d never discussed his allegations with anyone except his lawyers. When the Jackson estate discovered he’d actually been shopping books, the court ordered him to produce the drafts as evidence. They revealed the story of his abuse had changed significantly from one draft to the next.
*Robson was also ordered to release his emails as evidence. He breached the order repeatedly, first by claiming they didn’t exist, then by simply refusing to hand them over. Then he redacted all the emails between himself and his family members and cited ‘attorney-client’ privilege, even though none of his family are attorneys.
*When he eventually complied with the court order and released the emails, they revealed that at the time he was constructing his lawsuit and abuse memoir, he was researching and emailing himself links to old tabloid newspaper stories about abuse allegations against Michael Jackson.
*The emails showed Robson found one particular story from the early 1990s which specifically named he and his mother. He emailed it to his mother and asked whether it was true. She replied, ‘Wow, none of that is true’. He then included it in his story anyway.
*Emails also revealed that throughout 2011/12, Robson was lobbying Jackson’s estate for a job directing and choreographing an official Michael Jackson tribute show in Las Vegas. His campaign to secure this role had included sending emails explaining that his amazing friendship with Jackson meant nobody was better qualified for the role than he was, and he was devoted to doing the best job he possibly could ‘for Michael’. After being told someone else had got the job, he suddenly claimed he’d been abused and filed a creditor’s claim against the estate for millions of dollars.
*Months later, according to Jimmy Safechuck, he flipped on the TV and saw Wade Robson being interviewed about his lawsuit. In that moment, Safechuck suddenly remembered that he had been abused by Jackson as well, so decided to join the lawsuit. He didn’t mention that this epiphany coincided exactly with his inheritance circling the drain after a relative died and the surviving siblings started suing each other – including him – for control of the family business.
*Robson was also ordered to produce his diaries as evidence. In them, he’d written about how these allegations might rescue his failing career by making him ‘relatable and relevant’. He also wrote, ‘It’s time for me to get mine.’ When questioned under oath about what he’d meant when he wrote that, he refused to answer.
*Both men tell stories in the TV show which directly contradict stories told under oath in their lawsuit. In fact, they have continued to change their stories as recently as within the last week.
*For example, Jimmy Safechuck claims under oath in the lawsuit that he only remembered Jackson had abused him in 2013 when he turned on the TV and saw Robson. Yet in tonight’s TV show and interviews promoting it, he claims he knew he’d been abused in 2005 and thus, when asked to testify for Jackson’s defence ‘towards the end of the trial’, he refused to do so.
*But that’s a provable lie. Safechuck was never asked to testify for Jackson’s defence. The judge ruled long before the trial began that testimony could only be heard about certain children, and Safechuck was not one of them. All testimony about Safechuck was literally banned from the courtroom. So Jackson’s defence cannot have asked him to testify – and certainly not after the trial was already underway.
*Robson claimed in a BBC interview last week that Jackson had abused him ‘hundreds of times’. Yet his mother’s sworn testimony is that they went to Neverland roughly 14 times but Jackson was almost never there. She estimates the number of times they visited the ranch and he was actually there was four.
*Questioned about their financial motive, the men now say they don’t care about money and are only suing to embolden other abuse victims by holding the Jackson estate accountable. This is a provable lie. The lawsuit was originally filed under seal and Robson tried to extract a settlement from the estate with zero publicity. Only when the estate refused to pay a bean did he go public.
I could continue, but if you’re still on board with the TV show and its accusers at this point, you are irrational to the point of mania.
Tonight’s TV show covers up all of this information, instead presenting two professional actors’ heavily edited and completely unchallenged testimony without ever examining their credibility, their proven lies and perjury, their constantly changing stories or their financial motives.
It is a stain on the journalistic profession, as has been the rest of the media’s coverage.
Cliffs: Money is a significant motivator for failing losers who want a free pass.
Again, not denying MJ was weird AF. But 10 years after his death, this documentary explodes onto the scene. Very fishy.
03-10-2019, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted By CalmWind⏩
The question of him being a paedophile wouldn't keep popping up over the years if there wasn't anything there to suggest it in the first place. I'm not to clued up on the whole thing I'm still on part 1 yet but if there's all these accusations going round then surely we should not be ignoring it.If any of that was true, why didn't they charge him with kiddy porn?
He was found not guilty in 2005.
It's not true. If it was true.... he would have been sent to prison.
He was found not guilty in 2005.
It's not true. If it was true.... he would have been sent to prison.
Tbh I don't know what to think I hate the thought of a paedophile just the name alone makes me sick and it's even worse that I used to love his music as a kid growing up
03-10-2019, 05:56 PM
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Is this worth watching?
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Originally Posted By GravityLee⏩
Invoking Occam never proves anything“Occam’s razor is the problem-solving principle that essentially states that "simpler solutions are more likely to be correct than complex ones". When presented with competing hypotheses to solve a problem, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions. Wikipedia”
I 100% believe he touched them and was into young boys.
He did not penetrate though as he knew that would be 10x harder to cover up.
If you dont think there was any, none, zero attraction for young boys from him youre absolutely not living in reality. My hypothesis is the most likely and most tame. Theres a good chance there was oral maybe even penetration involved. I think he was fuked up mentally and did his best to control it. I dont think he ever wanted to hurt kids - 100% the opposite. That and loss of fans are why theres a good chance it was just touching. Still completely wrong but theres a huge dif between that and penetration.
I 100% believe he touched them and was into young boys.
He did not penetrate though as he knew that would be 10x harder to cover up.
If you dont think there was any, none, zero attraction for young boys from him youre absolutely not living in reality. My hypothesis is the most likely and most tame. Theres a good chance there was oral maybe even penetration involved. I think he was fuked up mentally and did his best to control it. I dont think he ever wanted to hurt kids - 100% the opposite. That and loss of fans are why theres a good chance it was just touching. Still completely wrong but theres a huge dif between that and penetration.
a hypothesis has to be testable to be valid
what you have stated is speculation
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Originally Posted By nikeoneplatinum⏩
honestly brah its so graphic i had to turn it off. If you take some form of pleasure in hearing extremely detailed stories about a grown mans sexual encounters with little boys then yes it is definetly worth watching.Is this worth watching?
but otherwise fk no, its actually gross (be the stories true or not).
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They ruined his career, reputation, and ultimately killed him. They being the jews of course. Michael Jackson was aware of them and called them out in a few of his songs and there are recordings of him talking about them. "They dont care about us" "jew me **** me you will never....", etc.
He was indeed a complete weirdo, but highly doubtful he ever molested children. His unusual and odd behavior is a result of him being severely abused by his father(why he ultimately had such self hatred and literally tried to paint himself white), hollywood moguls and being denied an actual childhood.
He was indeed a complete weirdo, but highly doubtful he ever molested children. His unusual and odd behavior is a result of him being severely abused by his father(why he ultimately had such self hatred and literally tried to paint himself white), hollywood moguls and being denied an actual childhood.
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Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩
explicitly saying "YOU ARE HERE TO ARGUE THAT BECAUSE HIS MUSIC IS GOOD HE GETS A PASS" is not a blanket statement. its a direct accusation. you specifically stated that MY argument was his music is good so he gets a pass. I never said that. therefore - you are a liar. and you admitted to as much.Again with the "you said I only defended him because I like his music!". I don't care why you are defending him. It's a blanket statement.
if a kid is able to describe your genitalia, you have most likely failed as an appropriate-acting adult.
you're right. if a kid could describe your penis correctly, it is bad. good thing that never happened. good thing that rumor was debunked and there is direct judicial evidence that supports that. it isn't true. the kid NEVER DESCRIBED HIS GENITALIA CORRECTLY. this is like the millionth time I've said that. stop using it in your posts. it never happened.if they're available for reference from sources, that would be in danger of lawsuits if they're proven to be lies, I'll cite them.
you truly are an idiot.you're quoting Vanity Fair and NY Daily Post articles that are taking quotes of the same two people from the SAME documentary. people who testified against another kid **under oath** that they were not molested. thats right bro. the entire basis of your argument is coming from unreliable websites that are quoting unreliable sources that have already been exposed for lying. GREAT sources. also - they ARE NOT in danger of lawsuits if they are quoting a so called witness. PLEASE CONTINUE showing your ignorance of law.
Heres your accusations:
1. Adult who liked to sleep in bed with other people's children - yup weird. we already been over this.
2. hallway fully equipped with a warning system - give me a reliable source. SOMETHING other than articles quoting these lying kids.
3. Gave gifts to the children's parents - not creepy at all. stop reaching
4. porn with fingerprints - this means nothing. Snooping kids finding things in your closet doesn't make you a creep.
5. Kid was able to state that Michael's junk had markings - we have addressed the kid drawing thing that you seem to forget was untrue.
If you are keeping track, thats 4 out of 5 "patterns of behavior" proven to be false. you have NO pattern now. your entire basis just fell apart.
Also, you keep saying his power of attorney is the one who decided to pay off the victim. Yes, yes, Michael wanted to fight the case to the death, but it was not his choice. Please.
oh nice. so you just simply DONT believe this even though it is a documented fact that this settlement was not handled by Michael Jackson and that He and his legal team was against it. okay...............the basis of my post was that there is enough for me and others to think that MJ was at the minimum who was a creep
I debunked all of your evidence. 4 out of 5 pieces actually. Look up there. now you have no pattern and you don't have enough evidence. unless you are ONLY going by the bed thing. then yea. that is strange. you have no pattern though
You actually want to believe that he was just special and his weird behavior was innocent. Hehe.
I NEVER said this or implied this. you're lying again. I addressed each point of yours directly with facts. this is all public information.stop lying.
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SPOT ONInvoking Occam never proves anything
a hypothesis has to be testable to be valid
what you have stated is speculation
a hypothesis has to be testable to be valid
what you have stated is speculation
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Originally Posted By Godyssey⏩
This is the moment I actually think that you're not low IQ, but actually mentally retarded. I repeat, I do not care what your reasoning is for defending Michael Jackson. It doesn't matter to me if you're defending him because you like his music; like him; are related to him; bias for any other reasons; think there is not enough evidence to convict him of a crime; are on a bet; etc. I don't care. I honestly thought me making a statement like "you're defending him because you like his music" was harmless enough that you would respond with - "I don't like his music." And my response to that would be - "Okay.". Jesus Christ. It was a blanket statement. There are some people that are defending MJ because they're too much of a fan of his music. If you're not, then cool. Proceed with the core of the discussion. This sh!t would be hilarious if it wasn't so mindblowingly puzzling. Get your OCD checked. Anyway....explicitly saying "YOU ARE HERE TO ARGUE THAT BECAUSE HIS MUSIC IS GOOD HE GETS A PASS" is not a blanket statement. its a direct accusation. you specifically stated that MY argument was his music is good so he gets a pass. I never said that. therefore - you are a liar. and you admitted to as much.
Like I said, the core of my posts in this thread is that:
I believe MJ was a creep at the minimum. This doesn't mean he actually molested any kids. It doesn't mean there was concrete evidence to convict him. I just believe that he was, at least, a creep that actually got off on behaving the way he did with kids.
As for why I have to come to this conclusion - He liked to sleep in bed with other people's kids. Paid off a kid, which he admitted to, in 1990. Still continued to sleep in the same bed with more children from different families. Pays off another accuser. Continues to sleep in bed with other people's children. Has his fingerprints on adult magazines with children fingerprints. Has a warning system in his room. Kid knew he had discoloration/markings in his penis. So using all of these, I'm using logic and common sense to say that if it wasn't for the fact that he was a famous pop star, and he was just some dude that worked at the Dollar Store, he would have been shunned by the community he lived in.
Back to the instances like having one's fingerprints on adult magazines along with childrens' - that in itself does not portray a crime or something illegal going on. I've already said it. But if it's compiled with his other behaviors, like, you know, spending a lot of time behind locked doors and sleeping in bed with other people's children, then it becomes suspect. Again, doesn't indicate a crime has taken place. But within the context of his behavior with children, it becomes suspect.
If there are links or articles to refute these claims, by all means, post them. Until then, I am citing these from news sources and articles. Even without some of these, I would still come to the conclusion that MJ was a creep. Again, if an adult had an undying need to spend time behind closed doors and sleep in the same bed with other people's kids, and has had to pay off some of them, then my instincts would tell me that it is due to sinister intentions. This isn't complicated. Anything added to that just bolsters my assumptions about them.
Once again, I never said there was concrete proof of MJ being a child molester. If there was, the dude would be in prison. I just said that at the minimum, he was a dude who was a creep. You can be a creep without committing any crimes.
You are on the side that says you think he's a weird dude, but do not think he is a creep. And it is because of that I mock you and people like you.
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you..you can't make this chit up. you are basically saying "I think he's a creep based on this evidence that was never proven and this evidence that never actually happened..and this evidence that doest actually mean anything."
The kidaccurately describing MJ penis NEVER HAPPENED. cross that off. The porn mags mean NOTHING. cross that off.
"But but but but but Godyssey!!! the hallway with alarms and stuff!"
your only two sources citing that were Vanity Fair and NY Daily Post. BOTH OF THOSE sources pulled quotes from Wade Robson and James Safechuck and the documentary. those were the only people to mention that and there is no mention of bells and alarms in the FBI documents. ill lay it out for you since you are of such high IQ....stick with me here. Im going to attack your sources credibility.
- Wade Robson and James Safechuck both testified UNDER OATH that their relationship with Michael Jackson was never sexual. They were cross examined by multiple FBI agents and lawyers.THIS IS IMPORTANT.
- Robson highly praised MJ and cherished their relationship after MJ death. Describing him as amazing. In 2013, he wanted to be lead choreographer for "Michael Jackson: ONE." he BEGGED for the position. He was turned down. essentially OVER NIGHT he decided to bring allegations against MJ ONE MONTH before Michael Jackson: ONE was set to premiere. fishy huh??? it gets better! he attempted to get a book deal during that same time but it failed.
- Robson and Safechuck hired the same lawyer and filed a Multi million dollar lawsuit against MJ estate. In 2017 a judge threw the suit out of court and said "no rational fact finder could possibly believe the sworn testimony." they allegedly Owe the Jackson Estate $70k-$100k in legal fees now.
before you say "I'm not arguing legal! why are you bringing up testimony, trials and judges!?"..this has NOTHING TO DO WITH LEGAL STUFF. STICK WITH ME
listen to this - Your ONLY sources as to why you think he is a creep are VF and NY Daily Post quoting Wade Robson and James Safechuck. Two men who lied under oath, desperately wanted to be apart of the Jackson Estate, and had Judges laugh them out of court. THOSE are your sources dude. get a fukking grip.
"he paid off multiple kids!"
FBI found NOTHING about him paying off multiple people. He would have missed his world tour if he didn't pay off the Jordan kid. they were going to make $100 million on that tour. They copped a settlement, burned $23 million so they could go on and get that hundo..
your sources are toast. you have nothing now. nothing. just say "he's weird bc he shared a room with other kids" and leave it at that. bc that other chit is now MEANINGLESS
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The kidaccurately describing MJ penis NEVER HAPPENED. cross that off. The porn mags mean NOTHING. cross that off.
"But but but but but Godyssey!!! the hallway with alarms and stuff!"
your only two sources citing that were Vanity Fair and NY Daily Post. BOTH OF THOSE sources pulled quotes from Wade Robson and James Safechuck and the documentary. those were the only people to mention that and there is no mention of bells and alarms in the FBI documents. ill lay it out for you since you are of such high IQ....stick with me here. Im going to attack your sources credibility.
- Wade Robson and James Safechuck both testified UNDER OATH that their relationship with Michael Jackson was never sexual. They were cross examined by multiple FBI agents and lawyers.THIS IS IMPORTANT.
- Robson highly praised MJ and cherished their relationship after MJ death. Describing him as amazing. In 2013, he wanted to be lead choreographer for "Michael Jackson: ONE." he BEGGED for the position. He was turned down. essentially OVER NIGHT he decided to bring allegations against MJ ONE MONTH before Michael Jackson: ONE was set to premiere. fishy huh??? it gets better! he attempted to get a book deal during that same time but it failed.
- Robson and Safechuck hired the same lawyer and filed a Multi million dollar lawsuit against MJ estate. In 2017 a judge threw the suit out of court and said "no rational fact finder could possibly believe the sworn testimony." they allegedly Owe the Jackson Estate $70k-$100k in legal fees now.
before you say "I'm not arguing legal! why are you bringing up testimony, trials and judges!?"..this has NOTHING TO DO WITH LEGAL STUFF. STICK WITH ME
listen to this - Your ONLY sources as to why you think he is a creep are VF and NY Daily Post quoting Wade Robson and James Safechuck. Two men who lied under oath, desperately wanted to be apart of the Jackson Estate, and had Judges laugh them out of court. THOSE are your sources dude. get a fukking grip.
"he paid off multiple kids!"
FBI found NOTHING about him paying off multiple people. He would have missed his world tour if he didn't pay off the Jordan kid. they were going to make $100 million on that tour. They copped a settlement, burned $23 million so they could go on and get that hundo..
your sources are toast. you have nothing now. nothing. just say "he's weird bc he shared a room with other kids" and leave it at that. bc that other chit is now MEANINGLESS
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Originally Posted By OneLegSquats⏩
Oh, thank god, you finally stopped with "But you said I liked his music!".I came away with three potential conclusions:
1. Everything these victims say is true, MJ just covered it all up with his fame and money.
2. Bunch of extremely sociopathic/psychopathic pathological liars, extremely good actors whom have invested countless hours compiling an entirely fictional story to make money in the knowledge that the accused can not respond.
3. Somewhere in between. Probably molested but over the years and from influence of others, their memories have gotten more dramatic than actual events. Implanted memories etc, but still MJ did some shady chit and should have been brought to justice.#
It takes a special kind of weird for a grown ass man to invest millions in a theme park for kids, playing with toys and reading poems wiuot;I'm not arguing legal! why are you bringing up testimony, trials and judges!?"..this has NOTHING TO DO WITH LEGAL STUFF. STICK WITH ME
listen to this - Your ONLY sources as to why you think he is a creep are VF and NY Daily Post quoting Wade Robson and James Safechuck. Two men who lied under oath, desperately wanted to be apart of the Jackson Estate, and had Judges laugh them out of court. THOSE are your sources dude. get a fukking grip.
"he paid off multiple kids!"
FBI found NOTHING about him paying off multiple people. He would have missed his world tour if he didn't pay off the Jordan kid. they were going to make $100 million on that tour. They copped a settlement, burned $23 million so they could go on and get that hundo..
your sources are toast. you have nothing now. nothing. just say "he's weird bc he shared a room with other kids" and leave it at that. bc that other chit is now MEANINGLESS
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1. Everything these victims say is true, MJ just covered it all up with his fame and money.
2. Bunch of extremely sociopathic/psychopathic pathological liars, extremely good actors whom have invested countless hours compiling an entirely fictional story to make money in the knowledge that the accused can not respond.
3. Somewhere in between. Probably molested but over the years and from influence of others, their memories have gotten more dramatic than actual events. Implanted memories etc, but still MJ did some shady chit and should have been brought to justice.#
It takes a special kind of weird for a grown ass man to invest millions in a theme park for kids, playing with toys and reading poems wiuot;I'm not arguing legal! why are you bringing up testimony, trials and judges!?"..this has NOTHING TO DO WITH LEGAL STUFF. STICK WITH ME
listen to this - Your ONLY sources as to why you think he is a creep are VF and NY Daily Post quoting Wade Robson and James Safechuck. Two men who lied under oath, desperately wanted to be apart of the Jackson Estate, and had Judges laugh them out of court. THOSE are your sources dude. get a fukking grip.
"he paid off multiple kids!"
FBI found NOTHING about him paying off multiple people. He would have missed his world tour if he didn't pay off the Jordan kid. they were going to make $100 million on that tour. They copped a settlement, burned $23 million so they could go on and get that hundo..
your sources are toast. you have nothing now. nothing. just say "he's weird bc he shared a room with other kids" and leave it at that. bc that other chit is now MEANINGLESS
ETHER BOY.
So here's an interview with Bill Dworin, one of the lead detectives of the 1993 case, talking about Jordan's accounts of Jackson's penis. The alarm in the hallway etc. He's basically saying what I've been saying - there was no smoking gun, which is what is needed to convict somebody like him, but all these instances add to the overall picture. MJ was a creep. But you can keep defending him.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3080078/ns...k-accusations/
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Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩
Look at the length of your posts before i thrashed your sources compared to this one. I’ve completely gutted you. I was never arguing about specifically the creep situation. Just the proof you hadOh, thank god, you finally stopped with "But you said I liked his music!".
So here's an interview with Bill Dworin, one of the lead detectives of the 1993 case, talking about Jordan's accounts of Jackson's penis. The alarm in the hallway etc. He's basically saying what I've been saying - there was no smoking gun, which is what is needed to convict somebody like him, but all these instances add to the overall picture. MJ was a creep. But you can keep defending him.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3080078/ns...k-accusations/
So here's an interview with Bill Dworin, one of the lead detectives of the 1993 case, talking about Jordan's accounts of Jackson's penis. The alarm in the hallway etc. He's basically saying what I've been saying - there was no smoking gun, which is what is needed to convict somebody like him, but all these instances add to the overall picture. MJ was a creep. But you can keep defending him.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3080078/ns...k-accusations/
The day after the settlement it was announced that Jordan did not accurately depict his penis. There are official documents stating this. Therefore the FBI agent is outright lying or ONLY going off of what the initial report said. While googling this Dorwin guy, I found this website. I wish I found it pages ago bc it would have saved me time and made you look even more dumb. This is a comprehensive website with pages and pages of sources destroying your points waaaayyyyy better than I already did.
https://themichaeljacksonallegations.com
Cliffs of our convo:
You: “he’s a creep bc _____”
Me: “yea but...______ isn’t even true”
You: “ I’m not saying that! I’m saying he’s a creep bc [repeat false evidence]
Me: “....no. That evidence isn’t true. Here’s proof.”
You: “you’re low IQ. I’m just saying he’s a creep because [false evidence]
Me: “dude. That’s all not true. That’s fake news”
You: “you’re mentally retarded. He’s a creep bc [fake evidence]
You won’t go to that website bc you know it results in your demise. So I’ll just take the consolation of knowing you are bowing out. You lose.
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