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considering cholestrol is a leading factor in heart disease, and heart disease is a top killer in the US i find that to be enough evidence...

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To be technical we are herbivores eating an omnivorous diet.

Teeth that grind, amylase (carbohydrate enzyme in our mouth), long digestive systems, are susceptible to heart disease which is caused by dietary cholesterol (real omnivores and carnivores don't get heart disease even if they were fed pure cholesterol). Not to mention the fact that our closest animal cousins are mainly herbivores.

Just because you feed a dog plants doesn't mean its a herbivore. Just because you feed a human meat doesn't mean its a omnivore.

And vitamin b defficiency is what? Your point makes no sense. You know that EVEN your own body makes cholesterol and from cholesterol you make vitamin d. Its about how much you have. Brb drinking 20 litre of water a day.

Always non-white countries doing this stuff.

literally the only thing animal products give is vitamin b but at the cost of many other anti nutrients. You can easily get vitamin b other ways. For crying out loud animal products only have vitamin b because it is supplemented into their diets via FORTIFIED PLANTS

To be technical we are herbivores eating an omnivorous diet.

Teeth that grind, amylase (carbohydrate enzyme in our mouth), long digestive systems, are susceptible to heart disease which is caused by dietary cholesterol (real omnivores and carnivores don't get heart disease even if they were fed pure cholesterol). Not to mention the fact that our closest animal cousins are mainly herbivores.

Just because you feed a dog plants doesn't mean its a herbivore. Just because you feed a human meat doesn't mean its a omnivore.

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Why are you checking out my kid?

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Why are you checking out my kid?

Oh here we go, the fukkin pussies have turned up who want to claim it's manly to bully, torture, and terrorise defenceless creatures.

Yeah, these same "men" that are glad they live in the "softened society" they do now, because they would piss their pants in a truly natural tribal world, like the fukkin hypocritical pansy fuks they are.



Here you go, get to work, you big brave men!!

must be nice to make arguments based off of unverifiable claims and still take yourself seriously.

Why can't I? Because I don't have to. I kill my own meat, making sure it doesn't suffer in the process, and only kill animals well into their lifespan. I treat animals better than anyone does, provide humane slaughter for free range animals that I have to work to find and kill, and leave everything else alone.

I don't need to give up meat because I provide the conditions that vegans bash farms for not having. Stay mad, it doesn't change the fact that you're a fuktard of a person. Most people ITT think you're a complete joke, and you coming at me solidified that you're just a tantrum having mong flinging his **** anywhere he can.

Not only that, but LOL at thinking I need to prove to you and justify to you why I do what I do in life. So much for not thinking you're superior, you fuking joke.

so animals dont feel pain? what are you saying

"I didn't mean it as an absolute statement, did I? I didn't anticipate my comment would be so thoroughly scrutinized by the misc police."

He can say whatever he needs to, and you can too, but you know you had a whiny tone to your response.

You seem upset.

Then you get defensive for no reason lmao. The fact that 'chicken and fish are not as sentient an animal as cows, sheep, goats and pigs' is not a valid justification for the disproportionate treatment they receive in factory farming. I know you'd like to believe it is, but it's not. Again, keep coping.

Get off your 'free range' high horse bull chit.

I commend you on seeing the light, brah. But chickens and fish are still sentient. A fish pulled from water has one of the worst deaths of all, because it's like you being dragged into water along with other humans, in a net, and just being held there until you're either crushed by other humans or suffocate to death.

Chickens... they also have a chitty life, whether for eggs or slaughter.

Lab meat is coming, brah. But in the mean time, you can be better and give up the chicken and fish! Plenty of protein in plants!

Dairy is the absolute worst industry of all when you pay attention to the process, my friend. Female cows go through the same stresses as raped women, because, well, they are raped... and again, before you think that's sensationalist, they are actually put into a device that the industry itself refers to as "a rape rack".

Then they have their offspring snatched away from them where it will lie locked in a wooden box in darkness for veal. Imagine the grief and heartbreak a mother goes through losing a child... well, that's cows in the dairy industry. Yet instead of time to grieve, they're stood on concrete for 14-18 hours a day, with a metal apparatus constantly sucking at their udders until their udders turn blackened and swollen, and so the milk has to have hormones pumped into it to clear infections that might pass onto humans. She'll be in this machine for 2 years until her body finally collapses from exhaustion... and then she's sent to slaughter anyway

I love the idea of "lab meat" to be honest. Can't wait for it to be viable. I will be on board even if it costs more (as I don't consume much anyhow).

I realize that fish and chickens are sentient, but I guess I just don't have enough empathy for them to bother restricting them from my diet in the same way I do cows, sheep, pigs, goats, etc. I still want them to have a good life and be treated well hence why I try to buy from local farms as opposed to mass supermarket chains. Ultimately, the thought of them being slaughtered (especially on local farms) isn't that gruesome or appalling to me. I may get there one day but for the time being...

As for dairy, I can see the logic against it. It doesn't sit well that cows are separated from their offspring and are then forced to "work" (be milked) all day every day essentially. And, obviously, the veal industry is disgusting. Milk/dairy may just be the next thing to go from my diet. Not to mention that I think too much of it gives me breakouts (possibly).

this is exactly why your argument is not logical. you don't have a concrete belief system. all of your decisions are based off of feelings, which can change. there's no reason to expect anyone else to accept it as their own beliefs.

want to go vegan or veggie but still eats chicken occasionally crew....respects vegans crew....thinks most meat eaters hating on vegans are generally low intelligence crew

want to go vegan or veggie but still eats chicken occasionally crew....respects vegans crew....thinks most meat eaters hating on vegans are generally low intelligence crew

70% of vegans stop being vegans after a couple of years due to health issues.