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post 1551302941 05-11-2018, 10:36 AM
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Obesity and Willpower
Many people seem to think that weight gain and obesity are caused by a lack of willpower.

That’s not entirely true. Although weight gain is largely a result of eating behavior and lifestyle, some people are at a disadvantage when it comes to controlling their eating habits.

The thing is, overeating is driven by various biological factors like genetics and hormones. Certain people are simply predisposed to gaining weighthttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23360386.

Of course, people can overcome their genetic disadvantages by changing their lifestyle and behavior. Lifestyle changes require willpower, dedication and perseverance.

Nevertheless, claims that behavior is purely a function of willpower is far too simplistic.

They don’t take into account all the other factors that ultimately determine what people do and when they do it.

Looking at Genetics
Obesity has a strong genetic component. Children of obese parents are much more likely to become obese than children of lean parents.

That doesn’t mean that obesity is completely predetermined. What you eat can have a major effect on which genes are expressed and which are not.

Non-industrialized societies rapidly become obese when they start eating a typical Western diet. Their genes didn't change, but the environment and the signals they sent to their genes did.

Put simply, genetic components do affect your susceptibility to gaining weight. Studies on identical twins demonstrate this very wellhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2336074.

Food addiction

Many sugar-sweetened, high-fat junk foods stimulate the reward centers in your brain

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...06452205004288

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/

In fact, these foods are often compared to commonly abused drugs like alcohol, *******, nicotine and cannabis.

Junk foods can cause addiction in susceptible individuals. These people lose control over their eating behavior, similar to people struggling with alcohol addiction losing control over their drinking behavior.

Addiction is a complex issue that can be very difficult to overcome. When you become addicted to something, you lose your freedom of choice and the biochemistry in your brain starts calling the shots for you.

Leptin Resistance

Leptin is another hormone that plays an important role in obesity.

It is produced by fat cells and its blood levels increase with higher fat mass. For this reason, leptin levels are especially high in people with obesity.

In healthy people, high leptin levels are linked to reduced appetite. When working properly, it should tell your brain how high your fat stores are.

The problem is that leptin isn't working as it should in many obese people, because for some reason it cannot cross the blood-brain barrier.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25497342

This condition is called leptin resistance and is believed to be a leading factor in the pathogenesis of obesity.
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Originally Posted By stealthlife49⏩
I think what they're trying to convey is that you're saying traditional methods don't work while at the same time eating well above maintenance. I understand you're not trying to lose weight at the moment, but it does seem like you're trying to gain it. Hypothyroidism sucks, but your body can't magically create fat from nothing.

I'm prepared for the neg, but everyone seems like they're legitimately trying to help you get back on your feet, and I hope you can before it's too late.
If you read what they posted, they clearly didn't read anything I said, or they read like the first sentence and drew a conclusion based on that. We've been talking about this for several pages, and most of these guys responding have read (again) like 1 or 2 sentences from Page 7 and then responded based on that tiny snippet of the entire conversation. Their intentions may or may not be good, but they're wasting their time responding to things I've already stated in multiple posts.
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post 1551303951 05-11-2018, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted By SkinnyBeast24⏩
Obesity and Willpower
Many people seem to think that weight gain and obesity are caused by a lack of willpower.

That’s not entirely true. Although weight gain is largely a result of eating behavior and lifestyle, some people are at a disadvantage when it comes to controlling their eating habits.

The thing is, overeating is driven by various biological factors like genetics and hormones. Certain people are simply predisposed to gaining weighthttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23360386.

Of course, people can overcome their genetic disadvantages by changing their lifestyle and behavior. Lifestyle changes require willpower, dedication and perseverance.

Nevertheless, claims that behavior is purely a function of willpower is far too simplistic.

They don’t take into account all the other factors that ultimately determine what people do and when they do it.

Looking at Genetics
Obesity has a strong genetic component. Children of obese parents are much more likely to become obese than children of lean parents.

That doesn’t mean that obesity is completely predetermined. What you eat can have a major effect on which genes are expressed and which are not.

Non-industrialized societies rapidly become obese when they start eating a typical Western diet. Their genes didn't change, but the environment and the signals they sent to their genes did.

Put simply, genetic components do affect your susceptibility to gaining weight. Studies on identical twins demonstrate this very wellhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2336074.

Food addiction

Many sugar-sweetened, high-fat junk foods stimulate the reward centers in your brain

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...06452205004288

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2235907/

In fact, these foods are often compared to commonly abused drugs like alcohol, *******, nicotine and cannabis.

Junk foods can cause addiction in susceptible individuals. These people lose control over their eating behavior, similar to people struggling with alcohol addiction losing control over their drinking behavior.

Addiction is a complex issue that can be very difficult to overcome. When you become addicted to something, you lose your freedom of choice and the biochemistry in your brain starts calling the shots for you.

Leptin Resistance

Leptin is another hormone that plays an important role in obesity.

It is produced by fat cells and its blood levels increase with higher fat mass. For this reason, leptin levels are especially high in people with obesity.

In healthy people, high leptin levels are linked to reduced appetite. When working properly, it should tell your brain how high your fat stores are.

The problem is that leptin isn't working as it should in many obese people, because for some reason it cannot cross the blood-brain barrier.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25497342

This condition is called leptin resistance and is believed to be a leading factor in the pathogenesis of obesity.
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Originally Posted By TommyRO⏩
I didn't read a single one of your novels in this thread
You've been brained washed into insta-gratification. Sad. I could read my entire post in under 2:00 and I bet you could learn something too.
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Wait....wait...wait......

Let me go to healthline dot com and copy and paste a bunch of dumb chit to smack the problem with miscer knowledge. Smack down son.
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Originally Posted By SonnyBoyoSmacko⏩
Wait....wait...wait......

Let me go to healthline dot com and copy and paste a bunch of dumb chit to smack the problem with miscer knowledge. Smack down son.
Ya dam straight boyo. I've got folders saved of plenty of things on many topics. Literature Review 101. If I ever want to start a blog, I'll have the right studies to write it up in my own way.
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has that dude posted a vid of him doing pullups at 400 lbs bodyweight yet?
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Originally Posted By ssilv⏩
I'm not going to go up to a fatty either and disrespect them in public, but if they can't fit through a door in front of me I would laugh. There is 0 accountability coming from these people.
and maybe thats part of their problem. They were never bullied about their weight when they were in HS so they never had motivation to lose weight. Then when they hit their 30's and their metabolism starts to slow and babies pop into the picture they really have no time to lose weight. Coupled with enabler relatives that get guilt tripped into buying them chit food and partners with fat fetishes thats a recipie for morbid obesity.
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
and maybe thats part of their problem. They were never bullied about their weight when they were in HS so they never had motivation to lose weight. Then when they hit their 30's and their metabolism starts to slow and babies pop into the picture they really have no time to lose weight. Coupled with enabler relatives that get guilt tripped into buying them chit food and partners with fat fetishes thats a recipie for morbid obesity.
breh no sjw but the evidence is pretty conclusive that bullying/shaming does not positively change behavior

note that this does equate with fat acceptance which is actually anything but accepting
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Originally Posted By SkinnyPhatBrah⏩
has that dude posted a vid of him doing pullups at 400 lbs bodyweight yet?
bumping until I see this
Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
they were never bullied about their weight when they were in HS so they never had motivation to lose weight
so much truth behind this. if i didn't have people who talked down to me in high school, i would've never seen any problem with myself and probably wouldn't have gone to the gym so much. fatties need to hear that they are fat. anorexic, skinny dudes need to hear that they are too skinny. the human body adapts to what you put it through and consistency creates results that cannot be lied about.
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Originally Posted By midcoastking33⏩
breh no sjw but the evidence is pretty conclusive that bullying/shaming does not positively change behavior
I strongly disagree with this statement. Evey scumbag, liar, cheater, drug addict, fat person, person with an eating disorder that I have EVER known has had lazy parents who made excuses for them and enabled them. Maybe if they had parents who made them feel shame over their bad behavior, or called them out and put their feet down, they would have turned out differently.
Originally Posted By ssilv⏩
bumping until I see this



so much truth behind this. if i didn't have people who talked down to me in high school, i would've never seen any problem with myself and probably wouldn't have gone to the gym so much. fatties need to hear that they are fat. anorexic, skinny dudes need to hear that they are too skinny. the human body adapts to what you put it through and consistency creates results that cannot be lied about.
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Originally Posted By ssilv⏩
bumping until I see this



so much truth behind this. if i didn't have people who talked down to me in high school, i would've never seen any problem with myself and probably wouldn't have gone to the gym so much. fatties need to hear that they are fat. anorexic, skinny dudes need to hear that they are too skinny. the human body adapts to what you put it through and consistency creates results that cannot be lied about.
no, that's called an inferiority complex. not the same thing
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Originally Posted By ssilv⏩
so much truth behind this. if i didn't have people who talked down to me in high school, i would've never seen any problem with myself and probably wouldn't have gone to the gym so much. fatties need to hear that they are fat. anorexic, skinny dudes need to hear that they are too skinny. the human body adapts to what you put it through and consistency creates results that cannot be lied about.
Funny, I spent my entire time in school getting bullied for being fat, and then I went home and got bullied by my older, taller, thinner brother for the same reasons.
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Originally Posted By jordanair45⏩
When I could hear myself breathing
cant stand when i can hear fatties breathing
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Originally Posted By midcoastking33⏩
no, that's called an inferiority complex. not the same thing
call it whatever you want. i will continue to get gains and promotions from feeling inferior.
Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Funny, I spent my entire time in school getting bullied for being fat, and then I went home and got bullied by my older, taller, thinner brother for the same reasons.
maybe it was because it wasn't apparent that you were doing anything about it? idk. i see fat people come to the gym a lot and then leave after a few weeks. like said above, it took you years to put it on and it will take years to take it off. look at it as an investment in yourself and your future.
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Originally Posted By ssilv⏩
maybe it was because it wasn't apparent that you were doing anything about it? idk. i see fat people come to the gym a lot and then leave after a few weeks. like said above, it took you years to put it on and it will take years to take it off. look at it as an investment in yourself and your future.
Maybe it's because they were *******s.
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Originally Posted By SkinnyBeast24⏩
I literally tell my clients. It took years for you to put on that weight and it will take years to get it off. Go ahead and try some 90 day bull**** fad diet and when you gain all your weight back, don't tell me that I didn't tell you so.

I prep them for the inevitable week when they don't lose anything and then have to give the whole recomposition talk. Putting on muscle. etc.
Yep. I yo-yo'd a couple different times trying to do crash diets, Atkins, Medifast, etc. Finally getting traction and back on track counting every calorie I can.
Originally Posted By MichaelDuong⏩
Habits and/or mentality.

Growing addiction to food, absolutely love food, then they realize they're getting fat but then the thought of having to work it off and do all that complicating calorie **** makes them not give a fok.

It slowly adds up over time and creeps up on them and the denial begins to kick in. Hopelessness takes over and they're pretty much obese
Eerie how spot-on your description is. Srs.



InstantLoser: I read every post you've made ITT so far. Simple question from me:

If you counted/tracked your calories and ate 2,000 daily starting tomorrow (with appropriate fat/carb/proteins) would you lose weight?

Yes
No
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Originally Posted By PeaceWithin⏩
InstantLoser: I read every post you've made ITT so far. Simple question from me:

If you counted/tracked your calories and ate 2,000 daily starting tomorrow (with appropriate fat/carb/proteins) would you lose weight?

Yes
No
Possibly for a while. No way to know unless I did it, but the end result is that my body adapts, and the weight returns. The only thing worse than no hope is false hope. Nothing like losing 50 pounds and thinking "This is it, I've fukcing got it this time!" only to have the same chit that happens every time happen again. I cannot sustain weight loss. It's random, but eventually I always plateau, then gain the weight back. Calories be damned, exercise be damned, the same thing happens every time.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Possibly for a while. No way to know unless I did it, but the end result is that my body adapts, and the weight returns. The only thing worse than no hope is false hope. Nothing like losing 50 pounds and thinking "This is it, I've fukcing got it this time!" only to have the same chit that happens every time happen again. I cannot sustain weight loss. It's random, but eventually I always plateau, then gain the weight back. Calories be damned, exercise be damned, the same thing happens every time.
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Originally Posted By ffguitarist14⏩
You must think I enjoy this. It must not occur to you that things outside of your realm of experience in fact exist. All I can do is offer anecdotes, but I have 38 years worth and I'm telling you the same thing happens literally every time I try to lose weight.

-Initial success (sometimes, sometimes it doesn't work at all)
-Plateau (after a random period of time)
-Weight regained (and usually more than I lost) even while maintaining the same level of caloric intake that got me to the plateau (which should be maintenance)
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
You must think I enjoy this. It must not occur to you that things outside of your realm of experience in fact exist. All I can do is offer anecdotes, but I have 38 years worth and I'm telling you the same thing happens literally every time I try to lose weight.

-Initial success (sometimes, sometimes it doesn't work at all)
-Plateau (after a random period of time)
-Weight regained (and usually more than I lost) even while maintaining the same level of caloric intake that got me to the plateau (which should be maintenance)
Sure man. When the going gets tough, give up.
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Originally Posted By ffguitarist14⏩
Sure man. When the going gets tough, give up.
Literally the opposite of what I wrote.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Possibly for a while. No way to know unless I did it, but the end result is that my body adapts, and the weight returns. The only thing worse than no hope is false hope. Nothing like losing 50 pounds and thinking "This is it, I've fukcing got it this time!" only to have the same chit that happens every time happen again. I cannot sustain weight loss. It's random, but eventually I always plateau, then gain the weight back. Calories be damned, exercise be damned, the same thing happens every time.
Been there and done that. Currently doing it again myself.
Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
You must think I enjoy this. It must not occur to you that things outside of your realm of experience in fact exist. All I can do is offer anecdotes, but I have 38 years worth and I'm telling you the same thing happens literally every time I try to lose weight.

-Initial success (sometimes, sometimes it doesn't work at all)
-Plateau (after a random period of time)
-Weight regained (and usually more than I lost) even while maintaining the same level of caloric intake that got me to the plateau (which should be maintenance)
Yes, I know exactly how this goes.

Example:

Was 301. Cut weight to 268. Felt like I plateau'd around 268-272. Just "couldn't" drop further. Basically took a month off from giving a fck because I got frustrated and put the weight back on. Relapsed all the way to 286.

Cutting again and slowly making the progress again.

My only suggestion to you: Don't give up hope. The law of thermodynamics applies to all of us, you just might have to work harder if you have a medical condition fcking with your progress.

You have two options, and two options only:

>Continue how you have been going
>Do something differently

Buy a scale (I love my Fitbit scale). Weighallyour food using a food scale, down to the gram and oz. When you plateau with your weight loss, focus onmaintainingthat weight instead of trying to continue to cut. Let your body readjust for a month or so, and then get back to cutting.

GL.

Also for reference... even one month of "ehhh, I don't care" can go badly

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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Literally the opposite of what I wrote.
Oh sorry, I must've misread something earlier about you being 400lbs and not exercising anymore because it's pointless and always ends the same. But hey at least you tried your absolute best, right?

I'm sure deep down you know there is not one more thing you could've possibly done to better your situation. With that peace of mind it must be wonderful having no regrets knowing that you never gave up on yourself and did everything in your power to make a positive change for your health and well being. Truly inspiring.
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post 1551319351 05-11-2018, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted By ffguitarist14⏩
Oh sorry, I must've misread something earlier about you being 400lbs and not exercising anymore because it's pointless and always ends the same. But hey at least you tried your absolute best, right?

I'm sure deep down you know there is not one more thing you could've possibly done to better your situation. With that peace of mind it must be wonderful having no regrets knowing that you never gave up on yourself and did everything in your power to make a positive change for your health and well being. Truly inspiring.
If you could eat properly and weigh 400lbs, or eat like chit and weigh 400lbs, what would be the point in eating well?
"That boulder is too large. I could lift a smaller one."

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post 1551319461 05-11-2018, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
If you could eat properly and weigh 400lbs, or eat like chit and weigh 400lbs, what would be the point in eating well?
That's the spirit.

When the going gets tough, give up.
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post 1551319551 05-11-2018, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted By ffguitarist14⏩
That's the spirit.

When the going gets tough, give up.
More like "when the going is impossible, choose the option that requires less effort since you're going to get the same result regardless".
"That boulder is too large. I could lift a smaller one."

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post 1551319591 05-11-2018, 02:44 PM
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Mirin Japan for being thin and healthy overall. And I think shaming is big over there if you're fat.
post 1551319711 05-11-2018, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
More like "when the going is impossible, choose the option that requires less effort since you're going to get the same result regardless".
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