I agree that there is an anti-white narrative in US MSM. And it's a big phuckin problem. (It's also curious how Jews are left out of the discussion, despite their institutional power, and that everything is being blamed on whites only.)

Nativism will help, also will promoting people to value character above race (or anything else), and encouraging the culture to adopt that.

There's really no way IMO a person can promoting judging others character on the basis of race, and then complain when others do that to you. (I've said the same thing IRL when debating about BLM.)

Promoting a culture of character analysis rather than identity politics IMO is the way to prevent the kind of thing you are talking about, and having having honest discussions about race relations.

(IMO too many right wingers deny that there are problems towards non-whites in institutions, despite a number of studies showing that there is a problem. And IMO too many left wingers deny the growing anti-white and white guilt sentiment.)

Culture stems from both race and ethnicity in my opinion but Europeans and their descendants are going to have more in common with each other than they will with Sub Saharan African or Chinese immigrants on average. The United States is nation settled, built, & risen to prominence by white Europeans predominantly from the British Isles but also significantly by Germans, and the Dutch. What we can see by looking at the history of the country is the immigrants that ended up coming later on were often times people who were the same groups who settled the country so naturally they were easily assimilated. However there were groups such as Italians, Russians, Irish, Poles, Greeks, and such that mostly came later but still managed to assimilate, albeit with a little bit more difficultly in some cases. They were expected to speak the English language, pledge allegiance to this nation, & adhere to American constitutional values.

But culture is just one aspect, it goes beyond culture. It’s a deep, ancient, biological tribalism, because culturally Italians have more in common with Mexicans than Germans but most Italians would still feel more comfortable around Germans. Now this is purely anecdotal but spending enough time around Italians throughout my life you can take my word for it, or don’t it’s your choice.

Now that the former European ethnic groups have largely been assimilated under the banner of white Americans the cultural differences between Europeans has become less and less, and what remains is remnants of similar culture. On top of that we have people who look similar to each other, who’s ancestors come from the same continent (often times same countries), and share common group interests.

Every race does this, actually more so than whites. Whites are the race least likely to see race as an important part of our identity. Many whites don’t even acknowledge or care about the culture war or power struggle between races because many whites are very individualistic.

Our school systems, institutions, and our social pressures and prejudices used to be geared toward making foreigners American. However do to modern progressive liberalism that idea regarding the recent Latin American, Asian, and Middle Eastern immigration has been thrown out the window. There is no pressure for them to assimilate, so what is happening is massive cultural clashes and racial demographic and power struggles.

As for your experiences with white nationalists, all I can say is we have had different experiences. I actually saw that debate with Destiny you are talking about and that Nazbol he was debating sounded very poorly read for much of the debate and to your credit you seem fairly well read on history in general so I wouldn’t be surprised if your knowledge of European history surpassed some of them. Your debate style actual reminds me of destiny in the way you dissect arguments.

I called it a suicide because these globalist politicians are allowing waves of unrelenting non-white immigration into the country both legally and illegally and even if there is more white people than ever before we can’t outbreed 90% of the planet. The desire to immigrate to Europe, Canada, Australia, or the USA is very strong for much of that 90%.

Diversity doesnt work in the U.S because integration of 2-3 generations doesn't keep up with the pace of 1st generation immigrants flooding in. Go to the city boyos most people that reap the benefits of the USA and have been living here for 5 or more years dont consider themselves Americans at all.

I agree. Like I said, Christianity was a unifying cultural force for Europe.I agree with you. Culture and character are immaterial, and we have tribal instincts. So the easiest route is to base our tribe on the information from our senses - people who look like us.

My overall point thought was IMO many people who talk about demographics (i.g. White Nationalists) are primarily arguing for biological tribalism, and the cultural concerns are a distant second. Nationalist Conservatives care about Culture and social cohesion first, and race/ethnicity second.I think that is mainly Western whites, and even more than that Whites who live in major cities and are more educated. Jonathan Haidt introduced me to the concept of WEIRDs Western, educated, industrialized, rich and democratic. They tend to be the most individualistic, modern liberal, or classically liberal.I believe that we need to bring back pressure to assimilate, for the sake of social cohesion.

Either Cultural Nationalism, or a mass adopted individualism, IMO is needed to fix the social tensions. Like you seem to be implying though, individualism isn't adopted or encouraged to be adopted by many minority groups, we are 'left' or encouraged to base our identity through the minority demographics we belong to.Honestly, I'm don't see myself as well read. Which is why I shake my head whenever I come across people who talking about preserving European heritage, who know less about European heritage than I do.

My debate style comes from my New Atheism days.

Destiny is the best of the leftist debaters that I've come across.

Overall - I'm aware of the irony, because I'm debating with you now - this year I've come to increasingly believe that debating, and politics, is largely a big part of the current problems we are facing.

That is a very long term outlook.

In absolute numbers, whites are in no danger of being outbred.

In relative numbers, it's very rare that trends continue indefinitely.

One huge problem and cause of the immigration to Europe, is often Whites and Jews working with corrupt leaders in Latin America, Africa and the Middle East, and even outright murdering leaders, subverting governments, sanctions, and outright invasions, which makes people want to flee chitholes.

One huge current example is Libya. Ghaddafi even warned that if he died Islamists would rise to power in the region, and Europe would see a wave of immigration. His prediction was spot on.

If White and Jewish bankers and military leaders allowed these non white nations to develop using Economic Nationalism, and without slapping them sanctions, then they could develop and they would want to immigrate less.

I phucking hate Destiny, huge *******. Nick ran circles around him.

Cultural naturalism is never going to happen. We move further from that everyday. Honestly that is what Trump preached and the left hated him for it. The whites who supported him and cultural nationalism are going to realize that's not sufficient.

Mass adopted individualism isn't going to happen either. People like being part of a "tribe." That only appeals to WEIRDs as you put it. Believing in some intangible idea like democracy and liberty. They're academics who's ideas have no tangible benefits in the real world. I see some of those types here, they're very smarmy and elitist and no one likes them.

Most Right Wingers probably share your thoughts. I honestly think though that objectively speaking he is a very good debater.

Just like I can say the objectively Keith Woods is one of the most intelligent pundits that I've ever come across. I find him simply brilliant. (I also highly respect that Keith is willing to put his face out there, and not 'hide his power level').

I wish that Destiny and Keith Woods would have a debate.No cultural change happens without a struggle. Cultural Nationalism being acceptable to the left requires a massive shift in culture.

I'm being honest, and I'm not trying to piss you off, but I've noticed that many White Nationalists lack resolve.

Women, Blacks, and Gays had to literally risk being imprisoned, ostracized, assault, arson and murder to get their rights. But IME in the 21st century I've noticed that White Nationalists tucked their tails between their legs after the backlash from Charlottesville, and do not have the resolve to endure backlash from the state, Big Tech and the MSM.

I respect Trump supporters because they were publicly based IRL and online in the face of liberal, MSM and social media backlash. From what I've seen many white nationalists began passing around the 'don't reveal you power level' meme after Charlottesville, and refuse to show their faces online. The same is not true of Nationalist Conservatives.I agree.

I think part of the solution may be to base a notion of a tribe on something more than genetics. Like values, shared interests and experiences.

We're all going to gather round the television with our hot cocoa and listen to Biden's fireside chats about how much we have in common. It's not going to happen. There are no signs of any progress towards something like that. I personally don't believe it's even possible in a country so diverse as America. It's going be a constant struggle until a collapse or globalist police state. This country doesn't even have any values besides consumerism.

I'm not a white nationalist either. I believe in a white majority that should be maintained, not a complete shutdown to other races. Not that it matters at this point because the country is a piece of chit and I'm looking towards balkanization or leaving.

The popularity of Trump is a sign.

He ran on a Cultural Nationalist and Nativist platform (I don't believe he delivered on those regards, but that's besides the point). No other Republican presidential candidate was so explicit about their Cultural Nationalism and Nativism in the 21st century, from what I can tell.

It was - and is - still incredibly popular. Tucker Carlson is a very popular pundit, who promotes Cultural Nationalism, Nativism, and Economic Nationalism.

Cultural shifts take time, and IMO what Nationalist Conservatives needs is to continue promoting those talking points, and influencing the Republican party and candidates in that direction. IMO spending less time on 'owning the libs', and more time on building up philosophically what American Nationalist Conservatism stands for.Dat dere Capitalism.

American Conservatism sounds like it needs the equivalent of a Roger Scruton. From what I can see, American Conservatism relies on Evangelical Christianity for it's spiritual insights. Which is understandable, because it is a distinctly American form of Christianity, and so it's an inherent and influential part of US heritage.My mistake, I thought you were.

Sounds like you are a Nationalist Conservate? Nativism, Cultural Nationalism, and Economic Nationalism. Intrinsically pro-white American, but not exclusively pro-white American.

It's incredibly popular with some Americans. It also generates extreme hostility with others. I don't see that as unifying, it's something Americans fight each other over. It's also going to be even harder to get that message out with the left wing technocracy we have brewing where they'll just shut that stuff down. With all the immigration we have (and bound for a lot more), I just don't see it catching on, on a large enough scale.Pretty much. But demographics are an important piece of that, anyone who doesn't acknowledge that, I think they're wrong. Like the discussion we're having, I don't think what you're advocating for is possible in a majority non white America. Whites would have to remain close to 70% of the population for it to work in my opinion and we've long crossed that Rubicon.

Lots of truth above. American elite has toppled a lot of governments around the world since 2nd world war and put their puppets in charge to benefit elites here in the name of “American interest”. American interventionism is a huge cause of mass migration to Europe and America.

It’s easy to sit back as a regular white American male and say I don’t want immigrants from ****hole countries. A lot of these countries are a ****hole because they were colonised and since being independent have had consistent western intervention to enrich western elite. Who cares about the local people as long as it’s in the interest of few elites. Outright gangsterism.

I don't disagree with that. I'm not sure what can be done about it when there is so much money to be made by certain people when they have all the tools necessary. It doesn't matter how you vote for, it's just going to keep happening because of all the money.

It really can't be stopped in a democratic capitalist type system.

Watch any NFL game commercial.

75-80% of the commercials have black people in them. This despite only have 13-14% of the population.

There is a huge effort to glamorize the black race, despite them being the poorest, the least educated, and the most violent race in America.

It is almost comical at this point at how obvious the agenda is.

At least you agree with this much. If these countries are given a chance without intervention and let them sift through the process, a lot of them will make it. There were quite a few liveable places that we just ruined in the last twenty years in the name of freedom. Of course we can’t say out loud who it benefits because if you dare criticise the beneficiaries, you’ll be persona non grata forever.

In agreement with you, especially when it comes to black male and white female couples. It’s almost forced. I disagree with that.

You average american male does not want to be a second class citizen to a ruling elite, be it royalty, politicians, etc

Lots of people are fine with being ruled over, poor 3rd worlders and women love this part, generalizing here but look at the world.

If the elite want to truly be the ruling elite, you turn group 2 on group 1 until they join group 2. We are already quite close to this point.

The problem in America, is we have a history of defending against tyranny, at a certain point enough is enough and your average male drives a killdozer through a city. Which is why the push to disarm the masses is so strong.

Throughout history and nature, young violent males provide an equilibrium through violence in their grasp for power. Modern society has used laws and other means of pacifying the male, but he also reaps certain rewards of playing by societies rules, comfy life, pretty wife, etc.

Societys social contract has been broken. There are less and less benefits to conforming to societies rules each and every day. To be ruled over is to be enslaved.

Progression will take us forward as a society. Until we progress full circle and the laws of society are burned to the ground and the laws of nature rule.

Yeah the black male/white female combo is very popular.

And when it is the black female with with a white guy or by herself? They almost always have the afro or long curly hairdo going.

Lately I have even seen a fair amount of black males/Asian females.

Watch the new one with the black ballerina. Goes on for a minute at least on her struggle to become one.

It's comical in it's pandering.

It was for Amazon. Which you didn't even know until the Amazon logo appears in the last 2 seconds.

If people really want to understand what is going on they should read up on the Cultural Marxism and the Frankfurt School. There are tons of links and videos on it. Diversity is a big part of Cultural Marxism.

Basically in a nutshell Marxism failed in the west for a variety of reasons so they focus on destroying culture from the inside out. When Hitler came to power they left Germany and settled in the US. Many of them ended up in the Ivy League and govmt. They proceeded to tear western society apart. By the 60s it was already all over US college campuses.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...hXVs28Vt0_f_3F

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...stern-society/

https://www.spartareport.com/2020/10...erted-america/

Just remember the ultimate goal is the destruction of the society. Mass immigration is just one of the tools to make it happen.

How is that relevant to anything to that I wrote?

I also don't watch Team Sports. It doesn't interest me.

I don't watch Ads in general. I use AVG browser which has a built in Ad Blocker, and I watch streaming services.

No, nativism protects whatever the current population is. Nativism is supported in conjunction with Cultural Nationalism in Nationalists Conservatism.

Whites being a relative minority is a long way off 2045, and that is only if trends continue unabated until then.

The biggest difference between nice areas and bad areas in super populated NJ is this: in nice areas people uphold communal values. They want the best for their community, not just themselves. That mindset is more important than race imo, but is often lost.

China has minorities and affirmative action

What do you think about secession or at least granting states far greater autonomy so they can decide their own policy regarding economic nationalism, immigration, ect..

Balkanization of the United States sounds like a good idea to me, honestly. For a number of reasons.

Do you think that it would be something worthwhile promoting?

Whatever we were doing to produce the cultural climate of the early 2000's, I'd like that. I don't recall anywhere near the level of racial divide back then

Absolutely. I've been promoting the idea for awhile. If a country becomes too big with too many conflicting interests it seems like the best peaceful solution. That way people are free to live where they feel most comfortable. Big problem is the logistics of such an effort. And of course the globalists and corporatists would fight it tooth and nail.

Social media is frankly the main reason.

The left would say blacks and other POCs were under white people's thumbs then.