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post 10000103876 03-28-2026, 03:42 PM
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How does it feel knowing the foundation of your math is arbitrary

When you push on maths foundation and corner them they eventually fall back behind the buzzwords of “consistency” and “utility” to defend the bullshit but those words are meaningless

1. Anything can be consistent with arbitrary rules

2. Just because something was built with current math doesn’t mean it used it’s current axiom, people used to correctly navigate ships thinking earth was the center of the world.

arbitrary: decisions, actions, or rules based on random choice, personal whim, or impulse rather than reason, logic, or a system.
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Be specific when you say mathematics. What exactly are you talking about specifically? There's nothing arbitrary about basic mathematics.
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post 10000103880 03-28-2026, 03:45 PM
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So we got these plebs running around in circles of a trapped maze of a false axiom lmao. Running around in their own shit like cattle. Running around in delusion For 5,000 years

We brainwash them since birth to believe the map is the territory
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Originally Posted By Bonobo⏩
Be specific when you say mathematics. What exactly are you talking about specifically? There's nothing arbitrary about basic mathematics.
Exactly what I said. Your foundation of math is arbitrary bullshit and I just proved it
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Originally Posted By Gesten1⏩
Exactly what I said. Your foundation of math is arbitrary bullshit and I just proved it
So when a plane is landing on a runway using electronic guidance the mathematics they use to calculate where to land is arbitrary?
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post 10000103899 03-28-2026, 03:57 PM
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It’s gets a lot more weird than that.

I advise destroying all attachments and understandings of the nature of reality.
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post 10000103901 03-28-2026, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
It’s gets a lot more weird than that.

I advise destroying all attachments and understandings of the nature of reality.
Thats called eating a bag of shrooms
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post 10000103911 03-28-2026, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted By Bonobo⏩
Thats called eating a bag of shrooms
An amazing teacher.
“The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.“

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post 10000103919 03-28-2026, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Bonobo⏩
So when a plane is landing on a runway using electronic guidance the mathematics they use to calculate where to land is arbitrary?
Already addressed how utility is meaningless with the ship example
post 10000103921 03-28-2026, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
It’s gets a lot more weird than that.

I advise destroying all attachments and understandings of the nature of reality.
How do you people feel that 1x1=1, and groups exist no where in raw concrete reality?

Math is suppose to model reality, yet your starting foundational operation maps absolutely nothing. It models fiction
post 10000103925 03-28-2026, 04:19 PM
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post 10000103931 03-28-2026, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted By ymer⏩
So is language, yet here you are using it to convey your ideas.
Never said I have a problem with a map

I have a problem with a map that maps fiction

And unfortunately your foundation of math maps fiction. Your starting operation 1x1=1 and “groups” exist no where in raw concrete reality. They exist no where on the territory
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Originally Posted By Gesten1⏩
Already addressed how utility is meaningless with the ship example
Just because something was built with current math doesn’t mean it used it’s current axiom, people used to correctly navigate ships thinking earth was the center of the world.
The "Earth was the center of the world....." did you mean universe?

They navigated the Earth using astronomy and that astronomy is precise. Whether or not they thought the Earth was the center of the universe had no impact on the actual navigation. Acceleration for a free falling object is 9.8 meters per second and whether I think that's caused by the mass of the Earth or pixie dust is irrelevant. The calculation is still the same irrespective of what I thought. Your point is invalid
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Originally Posted By Gesten1⏩
When you push on maths foundation and corner them they eventually fall back behind the buzzwords of “consistency” and “utility” to defend the bullshit but those words are meaningless

1. Anything can be consistent with arbitrary rules

2. Just because something was built with current math doesn’t mean it used it’s current axiom, people used to correctly navigate ships thinking earth was the center of the world.

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Originally Posted By Gesten1⏩
How do you people feel that 1x1=1, and groups exist no where in raw concrete reality?

Math is suppose to model reality, yet your starting foundational operation maps absolutely nothing. It models fiction
I acknowledge any time any language has been used to describe the nature of reality that description is not even close.

I accepted this a long time ago.

I think most people are simply concerned with short term survival/satisfaction goals for this conversation to even matter
“The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.“

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post 10000103943 03-28-2026, 04:26 PM
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Mathematics are 100 percent fake
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post 10000103944 03-28-2026, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
I acknowledge any time any language has been used to describe the nature of reality that description is not even close.

I accepted this a long time ago.

I think most people are simply concerned with short term survival/satisfaction goals for this conversation to even matter
Math used to model reality 5,000 years ago before reification was introduced

The problem is one of the ones in 1x1=1 does not exist in raw concrete reality, and neither do groups.

The operation is an abstract describing an abstract concept

Your own logic says an abstract describing an abstract is delusion. Your own logic is calling your starting foundational operation delusion

“in logic once abstractions only define other abstractions, the system is no longer a map it’s a self referential delusion”

I just gave you 3 flaws and fallacys of your foundation of math that can not be refuted. Your logic calls it delusion. It contradicts against logic

& I can give you a 4th one how it contradicts against laws of physics
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Originally Posted By Bonobo⏩
Be specific when you say mathematics. What exactly are you talking about specifically? There's nothing arbitrary about basic mathematics.
shutup wincel you fucking autist
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Originally Posted By fate0311⏩
shutup wincel you fucking autist
You’re one to talk chit for brains.

Negged at 100% x 100% = 100%
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Originally Posted By fate0311⏩
shutup wincel you fucking autist
Talk some Adderall and fist yourself to death
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Originally Posted By Bonobo⏩
Talk some Adderall and fist yourself to death
Stupid ass gorilla avatar you fucking gay shit
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Originally Posted By fate0311⏩
Stupid ass gorilla avatar you fucking gay shit
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Originally Posted By Bonobo⏩
The "Earth was the center of the world....." did you mean universe?

They navigated the Earth using astronomy and that astronomy is precise. Whether or not they thought the Earth was the center of the universe had no impact on the actual navigation. Acceleration for a free falling object is 9.8 meters per second and whether I think that's caused by the mass of the Earth or pixie dust is irrelevant. The calculation is still the same irrespective of what I thought. Your point is invalid
you just proved my point. whether they thought earth was center had no impact on navigation. The calculation is the same regardless
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Originally Posted By Gesten1⏩
you just proved my point. whether they thought earth was center had no impact on navigation. The calculation remains the same regardless
You just proved my point. The math is a math, and it's not subjective
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Originally Posted By Bonobo⏩
You just proved my point. The math is a math, and it's not subjective
Wrong. That doesn’t follow. I gave you the ship example but you ignored it. The ship example proves the same math can be used within a wrong foundation and still work. Utility doesn’t prove objectivity
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Originally Posted By Gesten1⏩
you just proved my point. whether they thought earth was center had no impact on navigation. The calculation is the same regardless
So, op, I was thinking… what if the world was actually flat and everyone has been LYING to me my whole life?!? And only me and a few chosen people are special enough to see the truth that no one else can see (no cult).
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how could math be real when ur numbers aren't real
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Originally Posted By explosiveMidget⏩
how could math be real when ur numbers aren't real
Numbers ain’t real. They’re abstractions describing concrete matter

The problem is when abstractions are describing abstract concepts. Ie: 1x1=1

Addition is fine
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