lol what

If god didn't exist then how are there even hbbs? Hbb has the words "heavenly" and "blessed" in it.

Also, science edgelords, if your religion is so good then how come science can't create this:



Or this:



Or even this:



Science only creates gay chit like fermi lab and stupid head transplants. Gotta try harder, boyos.

Good idea OP. Why don't you start this movement. Start by going over to the Middle East and talk to ISIS. I'm sure that will work out well.

I don't think religion is the problem, I actually like religion. I think literalist/traditional interpretations of religion are a problem.

I have no problem with Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhist, Hindus, etc who are humanists.

I also think that the combination of stories, myth, and art that religion tends to combine so well is something vital for a fulfilling emotional life.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH493NsM31Y

Agnostic, science popularizer and critic of religion Carl Sagan knew the importance of myth, art and stories, and combined them in his TV and book Cosmos. If anyone has read and/or watched Carl Sagan's Cosmos you'll know that he was an expert at combining myth and science, every chapter of the series and book had a mythical title.

His books were as much about popularizing science as promoting a narrative of appreciation and common humanity.

I've slowly become more and more interested in myth, after I realized the benefit it can have on the appreciation of life.



Religion and science do not have to be at odds...





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVluixCD7SA



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You know nothing, ****

The majority of people have never read some of the basic evidence for; evolution by means of natural selection, basic laws of physics, the big bang theory, etc.

Just because the information is available doesn't mean that it's internalized. I would blame the education system.

most of the religious people arent smart enough to understand what scientists are saying in the first place

i figured out religion is bullchit by the age of 10 with 4 years elementary school education

if someone hasnt figured that out during elemtary + high school and possibly collage then there is not much u can do

Religion has done more to advance the world in the right direction than anything else. Its currently going to chit because it's the cool thing right now to be an edgy atheist with no morals

That's a good point, I underestimated human ignorance, lol.

Having said that, at this point it's willful ignorance. The information is right there and it's in any format you could want - from diagrams and videos that a 3 year-old could understand to highly advanced research papers.

It's not just ignorance, it's the desire to know the answers to questions that science couldn't possibly explain, but that religious organizations make good money from pretending to know the answers to: the notion of an afterlife. That's literally the only thing religious people ultimately care about. All the teachings of kindness, compassion, brotherhood, charity etc. etc. are aimed at one thing: buying you a ticket to heaven and avoiding hell at all costs.

Until science can somehow fill that void of uncertainty, people will keep flocking to the snake-oil merchants.

bill nye is a jackass shill who doesnt actually have anything other than a bachelors

tired of all the anti religiosity spiel...when I see liberals, climate change alarmists, trump supporters and music stans I realize people are willing to believe any amount of stupid chit provided it coddles to their emotions and ego.

Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Hitler all proved that you dont need a religion to commit mass slaughter and descent into regressive stupidity

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I hate people like u...have probably never actually participated in a STEM degree. "Science" is not religion. There is a reason why philosophy and STEM faculties dont cross paths. Science doesnt exist to fill any void of anything, it exists purely to test hypothesis and alter them where applicable. Its not a tool to be used in politicized bull****.

There are no answers, only questions and proposed theories. Philosophy doesnt seek to merely buy one entry into heaven, if thats what you surmise then the problem may be due to your own interpretation rather than the religion itself.

The only problem I have with the lack of belief is that no one seems to stand for anything or believe in anything anymore. Only what they dont want. These unending smugness, where people think because of the democratized forms of information accrual (and I mean the internet - though its now hardly what I would call democratized) that they're somehow smarter than anyone else.

My grandmother watched him. His name is Joel Olsteen and he's one of those evangelical pastors with the mega monster churches. His success mainly lies in the fact that his dad was in the same "business" back in the 70's and 80's. He's just following in his dads footsteps.

I would argue that 'science' can't, because science is just an epistemology.

Popularizers of science, artists, and philosophers can.

I do agree that alternative narratives to traditional/literalist religion are necessary for people to leave religion. However, I also think narratives are necessary to have a meaningful life in general.

I wouldn't be so harsh on religion, I think we all need a 'meta narrative' - a story that gives our lives a sense of meaning and purpose - to guide us in life. Even vehemently anti-religious people have a story of purpose/mission in their lives (eg. become the best version of themselves, leave a legacy, take care of their family, etc) and a way of consoling themselves during tough times - religion just provides that on a grander scale.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLj4iwa0__8



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd4jTUF3CLo

You are right. I'd say the main issue is the education, we also have to consider the fact that some people are simply stupid. I happen to know plenty of educated people who are retarded, they are missing things like common sense and logic. We just have to deal with the fact that we haven't evolved enough as a race for everyone to be smart and educated. Average citizen of the world is a ****ing imbecile. Things like homosexuality, religion, race shouldn't be an issue in our world but we'd rather argue who's god is better instead of exploring Space. Most people are backward, it's just a reality.

Also this

nothing is more amusing that watching european fukktards complain about religion and then whine about millions of muslims pouring through the border and "taking over"...the irony is immense. The problem with religion is that it didnt bother to modernize. Catholicism, in particular, failed to embrace scholarly questioning rather than just wholesale regurgitating. What spread in its place was communism and cultural marxism, just another indoctrination tool where the young now treat the state as god rather than any higher power. Problem is that the state is dysfunctional and a shadow of its former self.

You mean the first man and woman who are ironically always depicted with bellybuttons whose kin went on to have incestuous sex? Oh wait that probably explains why there are so many stupid people in the world in the first place.....

sorry, I'm not usually a dick, but you kinda fell into that one.

those places are no different then Scientology to be honest. just cult masses. My family is from soviet union, those rallies and brainwashing are really not that surprising in effectiveness. It was't just peasants that were affected, it was engineers, doctors, high ranking military. It's something in people's brains that allows this stuff to be effective.

religion is a great thing for some people a lot of people cant get thru adversity by them self they need something to believe in i have friends that have quit drugs thru their faith i know people that have recovered from disease and surgery because they had something to cling to.

i dont believe but u cant knock other people because they do

As a lurker I remember some of your own racist comments from back in the day.

I notice people who tend to call other people stupid tend to be stupid themselves

and u should know that space exploration is pointless and has very little yield for the costly investment...its a nice way for pop-science dip****s to sound smart though. I expect a NDJ quote any minute now...he's an agnostic BTW.

Join date: May 16, mmmkay.That's why you're an idiot.

I actually agree with the guy. The ROI on any space tech now is so low. How can you call someone an idiot over that?

If people are willingly attending? Are they really being brainwashed?

Narrative is important. People need a narrative for their lives. Look at the misc, a backward bunch of beta males going nowhere who dont seem to have any real goals in life rather than getting swole and getting pussy. Surprise, surprise 95% of this forum achieves neither. They're pointless goals in the grand scheme of things and those who do achieve them often end up being unfulfilled.

What the soviet union so compelling whats its ideals of liberty, to achieve prosperity for all of those within it. Yes, they failed in that effort. Failked spectacularly. But the ability for that movement to mobilise half a continent is pretty telling. The same goes for Osteen, he seems to be a half decent pastor who empower people with the belief that the sum of their lives is more than their car and their mortgage. Again is he committing any sin?

The robber barons who run this crony capitalistic society have convinced us that buying endless amounts of material bullchit means something. We line their pockets and they sink further and further into depravity because we allow them to. Surprise, surprise an empty and morally bankrupt culture is run by empty and morally bankrupt people.

Its gotten to the point that I don't bother trying to explain chit to people on the internet that make ridiculous claims;

-why are there still "monkeys" if we came from them?
-the earth is flat?
-most arguments about carbon dating and the 4kyo earth believers?

because they require at least a basic understanding of the sciences, and if your highest level of education is high school or you're in college pursuing a non STEM based degree you simply won't remember or understand the prerequisites to even begin proper discussion.

implying science isn't like how the church was way back in Galileo's time

go against it and you're ridiculed

these people hold their theories as absolute truth and will do anything to protect this reality of theirs against anything that will contradict their ideas

This + the original = the fact that humans are driven to hold a religion-like belief system at some level. As statism become more and more dominant, it isn't hard to see why science is being pushed and religion is being driven out of society. In establishing further human dependence on the state, one key step is to remove beliefs/dependence on ideas outside of the state. I'm not really an NWO type of guy, but a lot of that stuff is based on reality. With future economies (after large job losses due to automation) uncertain right now, I think there is some preparation for state dependence that has been underway for a while now (see all various forms of divisiveness continuously fed to you by all forms of media now).

Yeah man but there was no morallity in soviet union either. It was a national movement of people bashing their heads against a brick wall to put it lightly. I remember my father and many like him just turned to hard drugs and alcohol due to disparity. Heroin use in the mid 80s was through the roof. Crazy suicide rates, underground cults taking peoples money etc. at least here people can be happy doing what they want, and if its making gains and slaying pussy then **** it.

lets not go down that road.

Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin revered themselves as gods, so those weren't atheistic societies and as for hitler?

this is the truth, they used the same brainspace as organized religion to attain power