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Thread: Fuk it I'm going Vegan. Fuk this disgusting gay earth and it's revolting inhabitants.

post 1448199363 06-17-2016, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted By iTunesBrah⏩
sorry but I cant respect anyone who values animals life over a humans.

brb kids are getting sexually abused every day, innocent women are being raped and men forced into slave labour all across the world. African kids are starving across the world.

Yet you care more about how live stock is being treated and making sure the entire world knows you're vegan and making a difference..
wtf you speak as if we can all just be superheroes and fly in and stop bad people, but instead we all just save animals.

its as simple as not eating it and / or not partaking in the industry. Im sure if we can stop sexual predators as easily as we can refuse to eat steak we would
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Originally Posted By hell2thenaw⏩
I agree with the point... but to play devil's advocate, ever see a cat kill a mouse?

Edit: was replying to:

"No one is debating that. The problem here is the unnecessary pain inflicted on livestock."
this. you guys seem to be blissfully unaware that many animals in nature play with their prey, and unnecessarily traumatize and terrify their food before it's actually dead.

That's obviously not to justify us humans doing this though...we know better. Or at least we should.

Still eating meat though. Until vegetarianism becomes a world-wide international movement or something, these livestock will keep on being treated like this, and meat will still be produced, so I may as well enjoy it.
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Originally Posted By Shirohige⏩
Been vegan for one and a half years now. I have never felt better. Physically and mentally.

Something doesn't need to die for me to live, let alone a healthier and longer life.
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Originally Posted By Mehilove⏩
I challenge you to try convincing people of poverty, third world/developing countries/fishermen (northern indians that live off fish and seal)/hunters who live off the land to go vegan, you will be laughed at.
People wonder why vegans are angry... again, it's because we see the same atrocious arguments over and over that have been debunked ad-infinitum.

"Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of and cruelty to animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."


Third world tribes or Inuits or remote fishermen are not contradicting any of the above. They cannot derive adequate nutrition from the plants around them. Ergo, by the dictates of their actions, they are vegans themselves unbeknownst to them.
Originally Posted By Zackad⏩
Still eating meat though. Until vegetarianism becomes a world-wide international movement or something, these livestock will keep on being treated like this, and meat will still be produced, so I may as well enjoy it.
That is the silliest attitude to have. It keeps getting produced because you people want to keep enjoying it. If you know it's wrong, stop supporting it and it will stop being produced.

So would you have owned a black slave in the 1,700's because "Since people continue owning them, until it's abolished, I might as well enjoy them!" See how ridiculous that sounds!

Your appeal to futility fallacy is just that... a fallacy... impact IS happening:

http://latestvegannews.com/400-milli...ing-less-meat/
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Originally Posted By Dizson⏩
Rich people eat meat, but yeah if it works for you..
What does rich people eating meat have to do with anything that i just said? Its a fact that vegans live longer than meat eaters.
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post 1448199673 06-17-2016, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted By maingains⏩
we are not carnivores
we share nothing in common with carnivores

we have long intestines like many herbivores. due to this cholesterol gets into our blood stream. True carnivores have short intestines and do not accumilate cholesterol in the blood stream. True carnivores also have protein receptors on the tongue. Humans do not, and have always prefered and desired carbs/sugars
To be technical we are omnivores. Omnivores eat meat.
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post 1448199703 06-17-2016, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted By Mehilove⏩
Bro you are completely wrong.

Veganism isn't anti-meat eating its anti-factory farming/industrialization of animals.

I challenge you to try convincing people of poverty, third world/developing countries/fishermen (northern indians that live off fish and seal)/hunters who live off the land to go vegan, you will be laughed at.

Veganism relies way too much on imported food from other countries. You're just to privileged to realize it because if you want something vegan you can just walk down the street and grab it.
your counter argument doesnt even address any of my points.... a carnivore is a being that requires meat to survive and can survive exclusively on meat.
post 1448199813 06-17-2016, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted By FannySkelper⏩
unrelated


But why would you put a pic of your kid on the misc? With all the fckin weirdos on here. Feels sickening to even think about it
Unrelated

Why are you checking out my kid?
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Originally Posted By primetime32⏩
We are carnivores. Deal with it.
Age: 41
Doesn't know Humans are omnivores.

Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns.

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Originally Posted By Shirohige⏩
What does rich people eating meat have to do with anything that i just said?Its a fact that vegans live longer than meat eaters.
Source on this? Would really like to see one. A scientific study by the way. Inb4 buzzfeed.

Also you seemed to ignore what I just said about pro athletes, but sure they feed pro players with garbage.
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Originally Posted By MetalLover⏩
You hunt, but again, that is not a solution for mankind. We cannot tell everyone to hunt, but we must give up on animal agriculture. So what do we do? Tell everyone else they can't hunt, but the small amount of animals that there are to hunt in comparison to the human population must be left alone for IncelLoser?
Hah, either you're trolling me at this point or you're just not very bright and looking for a fight.

Keep attacking strawmen, and make sure to take your trace minerals after this encounter.

Twat.
Originally Posted By Mehilove⏩
Bro you are completely wrong.

Veganism isn't anti-meat eating its anti-factory farming/industrialization of animals.

I challenge you to try convincing people of poverty, third world/developing countries/fishermen (northern indians that live off fish and seal)/hunters who live off the land to go vegan, you will be laughed at.

Veganism relies way too much on imported food from other countries. You're just to privileged to realize it because if you want something vegan you can just walk down the street and grab it.
I've always wanted to see a scenario where a vegan must live off the land and only live off of foliage and berries.

I accept that veganism has its place in the modern world, but I don't tolerate fukwads like MetalLover who impose their diets onto everyone and act like AIDS Skrillex when someone has a differing opinion.

******* was confident that I was buying meat from factories and saying I can't justify it meanwhile I get my meat from hunting, killing only 2 animals a year to sustain myself, then he switches the tone and tried fighting me for apparently suggesting everyone hunts.
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Why do people continue to personify animals? Serious question.
I don't neg.
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Originally Posted By JeenyusJr⏩
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Doesn't know Humans are omnivores.
here is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns.

Only this matters.
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Originally Posted By VocelLoser⏩
Hah, either you're trolling me at this point or you're just not very bright and looking for a fight.

Keep attacking strawmen, and make sure to take your trace minerals after this encounter.

Twat.
Another retard dispatched who is too weak willed to give up meat and cannot provide ample justification for it.
Originally Posted By RhinoBody⏩
Why do people continue to personify animals? Serious question.
This silly remark gets made often. It's not anthropomorphising animals to state a biological fact, that they suffer pain and emotions. Just because they cannot think in abstract ways, doesn't mean they're like vegetables with no sentience or care or feeling. You've only got to watch one piece of the countless footage in this thread to hear their screams of agony and terror to know they are capable of experiencing the same pain and emotion we do.

And animals do in fact possess individual personalities and traits.
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Originally Posted By MetalLover⏩


So, being that you've just admitted that starving kids is something you care about... I suspect you'll be turning vegan now, right? I can hear the backpedalling from here!
Not arguing with anything you said besides the picture.

Those 760 million tons of grain have to be bought by a cattle raising company, lets use McDonald's for example.

If McDonald's decides to switch to a vegan menu they aren't going to just give away all their grains for free.

Those kids will still starve to death because they do not have money.

We would just start producing less grains because of a lesser demand.

The world could feed everyone on the planet and still sell meat if they wanted. We are great at growing food, just terrible at distributing it, we literally have more than we know what to do with, so we throw it away.
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Originally Posted By MetalLover⏩
Another retard dispatched who is too weak willed to give up meat and cannot provide ample justification for it.
Why can't I? Because I don't have to. I kill my own meat, making sure it doesn't suffer in the process, and only kill animals well into their lifespan. I treat animals better than anyone does, provide humane slaughter for free range animals that I have to work to find and kill, and leave everything else alone.

I don't need to give up meat because I provide the conditions that vegans bash farms for not having. Stay mad, it doesn't change the fact that you're a fuktard of a person. Most people ITT think you're a complete joke, and you coming at me solidified that you're just a tantrum having mong flinging his **** anywhere he can.

Not only that, but LOL at thinking I need to prove to you and justify to you why I do what I do in life. So much for not thinking you're superior, you fuking joke.
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Originally Posted By primetime32⏩
To be technical we are omnivores. Omnivores eat meat.
To be technical we are herbivores eating an omnivorous diet.

Teeth that grind, amylase (carbohydrate enzyme in our mouth), long digestive systems, are susceptible to heart disease which is caused by dietary cholesterol (real omnivores and carnivores don't get heart disease even if they were fed pure cholesterol). Not to mention the fact that our closest animal cousins are mainly herbivores.

Just because you feed a dog plants doesn't mean its a herbivore. Just because you feed a human meat doesn't mean its a omnivore.
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Originally Posted By Mehilove⏩
It seems like vegans only get the attention of other people by showing slaughter house videos, which is horrible in it self but veganism is more than just watching slaughter house videos.

You gave us a chance to watch a video but completely tell us to skip the story of the man who does the slaughtering, don't you think that plays a role in your cause?
Yeah, they think showing us horror videos will convince us to become vegans.
Instead of getting the industries to work right, they tell humans to stop eating meat.
It's like replacing a whole chair because one of it's legs is broken, no logic.
Told you to skip it because he speaks Hebrew, no one understands it.


[color=red]Anyway to my story :[color]
Not gonna stop consuming dairy products and chicken breasts.
I was "vegan" till the age of 19, not by choice, but because I only liked crappy and processed foods.
I was so sick, so pale, extremely weak muscles, a tiny bit of a mass, low iron levels, low everything...

[color=red]Started eating chicken breast and dairy products :[color]
* My face looks much better, came back to life, full of colors.
* Blood test came excellent, I have upper limits of Iron levels, Hemoglobin, B12, D, Zinc, RBC.
* Excellent liver and kidney function.
* Gained 40lbs of lean muscle mass, became much stronger.
* Stable hormones level (I had high as hell estrogen and super low testosterone).
* Better cognitive performances, better memory and I became really quick at solving problems.

Haven't been any better, srs.
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Originally Posted By Shirohige⏩
To be technical we are herbivores eating an omnivorous diet.

Teeth that grind, amylase (carbohydrate enzyme in our mouth), long digestive systems, are susceptible to heart disease which is caused by dietary cholesterol (real omnivores and carnivores don't get heart disease even if they were fed pure cholesterol). Not to mention the fact that our closest animal cousins are mainly herbivores.

Just because you feed a dog plants doesn't mean its a herbivore. Just because you feed a human meat doesn't mean its a omnivore.
I wouldn't listen to this guy. Claims vegans live longer, provides no source.
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Originally Posted By Shirohige⏩
To be technical we are herbivores eating an omnivorous diet.

Teeth that grind, amylase (carbohydrate enzyme in our mouth), long digestive systems, are susceptible to heart disease which is caused by dietary cholesterol (real omnivores and carnivores don't get heart disease even if they were fed pure cholesterol). Not to mention the fact that our closest animal cousins are mainly herbivores.

Just because you feed a dog plants doesn't mean its a herbivore. Just because you feed a human meat doesn't mean its a omnivore.
Our closest animal cousins also **** where they sleep and don't use tools.

You're welcome to go nudist if you want to compare yourself, a fuking human, to other animals.
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well the only thing we can do is put in laws and chit where they have to be killed by injection or something.. other than that I'm not going to abandon meat. The companies have better practices than others, can't group them all the same. You already have a lot of products on the store shelves today that claim to be cage free, etc etc to animals.
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Originally Posted By MetalLover⏩
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People wonder why vegans are angry... again, it's because we see the same atrocious arguments over and over that have been debunked ad-infinitum.

"Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of and cruelty to animals for food, clothing or any other purpose."


Third world tribes or Inuits or remote fishermen are not contradicting any of the above. They cannot derive adequate nutrition from the plants around them. Ergo, by the dictates of their actions, they are vegans themselves unbeknownst to them.
I completely agree with you.

What I was trying to say is veganism is about anti-factory farming and anti-industrialization not anti-meat eating. Humans are meant to eat meat otherwise people living on remote islands or harsh climates wouldn't survive on just the land (like you stated above).
Originally Posted By maingains⏩
your counter argument doesnt even address any of my points.... a carnivore is a being that requires meat to survive and can survive exclusively on meat.
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Originally Posted By xHiroko⏩
Yeah, they think showing us horror videos will convince us to become vegans.
Instead of getting the industries to work right, they tell humans to stop eating meat.
It's like replacing a whole chair because one of it's legs is broken, no logic.
Told you to skip it because he speaks Hebrew, no one understands it.


[color=red]Anyway to my story :[color]
Not gonna stop consuming dairy products and chicken breasts.
I was "vegan" till the age of 19, not by choice, but because I only liked crappy and processed foods.
I was so sick, so pale, extremely weak muscles, a tiny bit of a mass, low iron levels, low everything...

[color=red]Started eating chicken breast and dairy products :[color]
* My face looks much better, came back to live, full of colors.
* Blood test came excellent, I have upper limits of Iron levels, Hemoglobin, B12, D, Zinc, RBC.
* Excellent liver and kidney function.
* Gained 40lbs of lean muscle mass, became much stronger.
* Stable hormones level (I had high as hell estrogen and super low testosterone).
* Better cognitive performances, better memory and I became really quick at solving problems.

Haven't been any better, srs.
you stopped eating processed crap foods of course you experienced positive results. everyone can always clean up their diet.

also regardless of how animals are slaughter. the fact that 50 billion animals die a year is insane. these animals are often kept caged up.

idc how "humane" the slaughter is. no living being should be forced to march to its death
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Originally Posted By Shirohige⏩
To be technical we are herbivores eating an omnivorous diet.

Teeth that grind, amylase (carbohydrate enzyme in our mouth), long digestive systems, are susceptible to heart disease which is caused by dietary cholesterol (real omnivores and carnivores don't get heart disease even if they were fed pure cholesterol). Not to mention the fact that our closest animal cousins are mainly herbivores.

Just because you feed a dog plants doesn't mean its a herbivore. Just because you feed a human meat doesn't mean its a omnivore.
The unbiased answer is that we're omnivorous- the evidence for that is more than dentition; if we were herbivorous we would be unable to derive nutrition from meat based sources, and if we were carnivorous we would be unable to digest plant matter.
Cats are an example of an obligate carnivore, meaning they must eat meat- they simply cannot survive on plant material. Horses are an example of an obligate herbivore- they must eat plant material or die of starvation.
Humans can derive nutrition from multiple sources, whether plant or animal-based. Ergo, humans are omnivorous. QED.

In the end I know that not a single darwin book were in your hand.
It's irrelevant what we were in the past, we'd be categorised based on what we eat now. Therefore we'd be omnivores as we (generally) consume meat in additions to other foodstuffs.
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Originally Posted By VocelLoser⏩
Why can't I? Because I don't have to. I kill my own meat, making sure it doesn't suffer in the process, and only kill animals well into their lifespan. I treat animals better than anyone does, provide humane slaughter for free range animals that I have to work to find and kill, and leave everything else alone.

I don't need to give up meat because I provide the conditions that vegans bash farms for not having. Stay mad, it doesn't change the fact that you're a fuktard of a person. Most people ITT think you're a complete joke, and you coming at me solidified that you're just a tantrum having mong flinging his **** anywhere he can.

Not only that, but LOL at thinking I need to prove to you and justify to you why I do what I do in life. So much for not thinking you're superior, you fuking joke.
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Originally Posted By MetalLover⏩
That is the silliest attitude to have. It keeps getting produced because you people want to keep enjoying it. If you know it's wrong, stop supporting it and it will stop being produced.

So would you have owned a black slave in the 1,700's because "Since people continue owning them, until it's abolished, I might as well enjoy them!" See how ridiculous that sounds!

Your appeal to futility fallacy is just that... a fallacy... impact IS happening:

http://latestvegannews.com/400-milli...ing-less-meat/
I never said it was the best attitude, or the solution. I'm not trying to solve the problem. are cows endangered? no. Are they sacred? not in this country. Do we need all those cows that died to stay alive for any reason? no. would I ever take part in the atrocities that meat plants commit? fuk no, because it takes a heartless soul to do that. At the end of the day, in this current time, people want meat, and meat will be made. If some nation or international union could convince major countries to switch to a vegetarian diet, or phase out meat, I wouldn't have a problem with it, and would happily go along. But that doesn't mean I won't enjoy it until then.
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Originally Posted By Dizson⏩
The unbiased answer is that we're omnivorous- the evidence for that is more than dentition; if we were herbivorous we would be unable to derive nutrition from meat based sources, and if we were carnivorous we would be unable to digest plant matter.
Cats are an example of an obligate carnivore, meaning they must eat meat- they simply cannot survive on plant material. Horses are an example of an obligate herbivore- they must eat plant material or die of starvation.
Humans can derive nutrition from multiple sources, whether plant or animal-based. Ergo, humans are omnivorous. QED.

In the end I know that not a single darwing book was in your hand.
It's irrelevant what we were in the past, we'd be categorised based on what we eat now. Therefore we'd be omnivores as we (generally) consume meat in additions to other foodstuffs.
Humans live longer on a plant based diet. gtfo with your bull**** fam.
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Originally Posted By Mehilove⏩
I completely agree with you.

What I was trying to say is veganism is about anti-factory farming and anti-industrialization not anti-meat eating. Humans are meant to eat meat otherwise people living on remote islands or harsh climates wouldn't survive on just the land (like you stated above).



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the human body is extraordinary. it can do many things in order to survive. but as many people have pointed out we do live in a luxury today. those in 1st world countries should be eating a diet that has the least amount of anti nutrients in it. it is silly to argue that just because you can survive on something means that it is okay. I can survive on water once every 3 days and food every 3 weeks. it doesnt mean i should
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Originally Posted By Shirohige⏩
Humans live longer on a plant based diet. gtfo with your bull**** fam.
Keep making a joke of yourself, there is no scientific evidence of your statement.

By the way about the human digestive system, just lol @ you claiming we are herbivores because of that.


Human: Mouth (saliva/teeth/tongue start the breakdown), eso****us, stomach, liver, pancreas, gallbladder, duodenum, various colons, small and large intestine, rectum.
Lion (carnivore): Saliva, eso****us, stomach, liver, gallbladder, pancreas, small intestine, large intestine, pancreas, colon, rectum.
Cow (herbivore, ruminant): Mouth, eso****us, stomach 1 (rumen), stomach 2 (reticulum), stomach 3 (omasum), stomach 4 (abomasum, or "true stomach"), small intestine, large intestine.
Checking out the elephant, giant herbivore, you have a stomach that doesn't do much, and intestines that do all the work. But they also don't actually absorb much of the nutrients in their food, so their poo is nutrient-rich (as in plenty of other animals like dung beetles and birds live off it).
tl;dr Our digestive tract can extract all sorts of nutrients from many sources. Dedicated herbivores' cannot, nor can dedicated carnivores (who still eat grass to clear themselves out). Ours is closer to other omnivores (see other hominids especially, but also bears and plenty of others
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Originally Posted By Dizson⏩
Keep making a joke of yourself, there is no scientific evidence of your statement.
considering cholestrol is a leading factor in heart disease, and heart disease is a top killer in the US i find that to be enough evidence...
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Originally Posted By maingains⏩
you stopped eating processed crap foods of course you experienced positive results. everyone can always clean up their diet.

also regardless of how animals are slaughter. the fact that 50 billion animals die a year is insane. these animals are often kept caged up.

idc how "humane" the slaughter is. no living being should be forced to march to its death
I didn't say I stopped eating crappy foods, I just said I started eating dairy and meat ALONG with the previous diet.
I still eat crap to this day, on a daily basis.
Sneakers, White chocolates, Kinder Bueno, "Energy snacks", candies and shyt.
But I can eat healthy as well, sometimes I eat plane chicken breast with a bit of salt along with a whole wheat bread or oats and a cup of water.
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