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post 1453344303 07-18-2016, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted By blowwzilla⏩
-acres upon acres of the Amazon Rain forest in Brazil were destroyed in order to grow crops to produce feed for chickens and other factory farmed animals.
lmao yea so lets all eat crops... wait wut.

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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
I can understand vegetarianism. But the whole vegan ethical thing seems like such BS logic at its core as there are so many holes in it.
For me, it's the other way around. I don't know why anyone would be vegetarian, but if someone is vegan for moral reasons, I'm totally cool with that. I don't agree with those moral reasons, but that's fine, I can at least respect a person for sticking to their beliefs.
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Originally Posted By blowwzilla⏩
-2,400 Gallons of water is needed to produce 1 pound of meat, only 25 gallons is needed to produce 1 pound of wheat.
-Close to half of all water used in the USA goes to the production of animals for food.
-acres upon acres of the Amazon Rain forest in Brazil were destroyed in order to grow crops to produce feed for chickens and other factory farmed animals.

bruh...not sustainable
neither diets are sustainable in the long term

while meat may be a worse offender, its solely due to our overconsumption in the US
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Originally Posted By blowwzilla⏩
-2,400 Gallons of water is needed to produce 1 pound of meat, only 25 gallons is needed to produce 1 pound of wheat.
-Close to half of all water used in the USA goes to the production of animals for food.
-acres upon acres of the Amazon Rain forest in Brazil were destroyed in order to grow crops to produce feed for chickens and other factory farmed animals.

bruh...not sustainable
I love these sustainable arguments. As if it will even make a difference. We're going to wipe ourselves out by the time unsustainable practice really affects us. This species is fuking doomed overall. So is the planet, for that matter. It's a fact that the sun will swallow up the earth. So, in the end, nothing matters at all. Nothing.
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In to answer the stupid question about how we eat plants because they are living

Plants don't have a nervous system
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Originally Posted By Miscuided⏩
In to answer the stupid question about how we eat plants because they are living

Plants don't have a nervous system
Also the fact that a cow eats 100x more plants than a human, so if you are an idiot who says plants are living too hurr durr, well...
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love eatin meat, eat meat on a daily basis and not a single fuk is given.


i don't even have feelings for people i don't know, so i definitely don't have feelings for animals that i don't know. srs
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Originally Posted By Myrh⏩
love eatin meat, eat meat on a daily basis and not a single fuk is given.


i don't even have feelings for people i don't know, so i definitely don't have feelings for animals that i don't know. srs
yes i do agree it's sad animals have to die to keep trash alive. especially since only 2% of the people on planet earth are valuable anyway. please practice safe sex.
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Humans are meant to eat a diet of both plants and animals. You are retarded to say otherwise. Being a omnivore is a evolutionary trait allowing a species to live on either or. Vegan logic is 9/10 self righteous and following articles of extreme bias for facts. Do I support how animals get treated? No. But being a Vegan or vegaterian is not exactly the most efficient method of sustainment. The best option IMO is a small farm raising your own livestock in a humane way and a garden for vegetables. But with how busy people are in todays world even that can be difficult.
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Originally Posted By blowwzilla⏩
-2,400 Gallons of water is needed to produce 1 pound of meat, only 25 gallons is needed to produce 1 pound of wheat.
-Close to half of all water used in the USA goes to the production of animals for food.
-acres upon acres of the Amazon Rain forest in Brazil were destroyed in order to grow crops to produce feed for chickens and other factory farmed animals.

bruh...not sustainable
Yet the expansion continues. Clearly the evidence points against your argument.

We were supposed to run out of oil 20 years ago. Funny... that hasn't happened yet either.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
Caging animals, fencing them in, or taking them out of their natural habitat is wrong...

Do you own a cat? Do you own a dog? Wut? Do you transport it sometimes in a cage? Wut? Is it in its natural habitat? Wut? Can it not get out because its trapped in your house or backyard by a fence? Wut?

But we're feeding them and being nice to them... okay... so then my next point...


Wont eat an unfertilized free range chicken egg...

Yet many vegans have no issue with human abortion...


Many justify eating plants because they don't feel pain despite them being living organisms...

So is it okay to eat animals, insects, or aquatic life that don't feel pain? Can i drug my cows first and then kill them? If not... whats the difference?


Won't eat honey...





PLEASE EXPLAIN ... cause i seriously do not get the logic
What is a dog or cats "natural habitat"? They are domesticated animals. If someone has an issue with a WILD animal being caged, I don't see how dogs or cats apply.

If someone has an issue with eating eggs, then hey don't want to eat eggs. That has nothing to do with believing in abortion unless you specifically say you think you're killing an innocent chicken. That in itself is not a good comparison. However, if someone IS saying that then you have a problem with hypocrites or idiots (not vegans).

If something feels pain then it seems like a pretty damn good reason to not want to eat it. How do you know the things you listed don't feel pain? How trustworthy are your sources.


You're an idiot. Stop trying to be an intellectual and stick to lifting heavy things. Might want to lose some body fat too, chubby.
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Originally Posted By aaron501⏩
i want to be a vegetarian, tho it's fuarking hard to get protein in.
LMAO no its ****ing not. I'm vegetarian and I'm doing just fine and am just as strong and big as I was when I was a meat eater.

Can't stand when people say that... "me caveman... me need meat for protein... meat is only source of protein".. cro magnon logic
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One of my best friends is vegan and he's chill af. Some people will just use the cause to call other people inferior and whatnot just because of insecurity.
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Originally Posted By derkerkjerk⏩
neither diets are sustainable in the long term

while meat may be a worse offender, its solely due to our overconsumption in the US
How is a plant based diet not sustainable???
You are wrong, flat out.

-less land
-less water
-less CO2
-less waste

What the US produces in cow feed could feed the entire world a 2,000 calorie diet, fact. We could end global hunger in a decade by eliminating 90% of our meat intake and converting farmland to human feed.


You are wrong, you have let your emotional attachment to meat get in the way of clear, logical thinking. Please stop posting false information.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
Yet the expansion continues. Clearly the evidence points against your argument.

We were supposed to run out of oil 20 years ago. Funny... that hasn't happened yet either.
Thats not really true. Anyone who knew anything about oil 20 years ago knew we had plenty of it. Its obtaining it thats the problem, either too costly, dangerous, or under a national park/out of jurisdiction
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Five pages in and not a single ethical vegan has produced a rebuttal to my points.

Instead i get, "YOU'RE COMPARING PETS TO INDUSTRIAL CHICKEN FARMS!" ... umm no ... i'm questioning your logic when you cherry pick certain domesticated animal conditions over others to feed your logic. For instance, its wrong to shoe and ride a horse, but yet its okay to dress your dog in clothes, shave them, or die their hair?

Maybe we should stray into how many people spend more on their dogs/cats than they do to combat human suffering? That's right ... it just isn't convenient to go in that direction is it?
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
its wrong to shoe and ride a horse, but yet its okay to dress your dog in clothes, shave them, or die their hair?
bahahaha are you stupid? you're comparing riding horses, which can strain them...to putting clothes on a dog which does nothing physically harmful? yeah they're totally the same thing.. you definitely leveled out the playing field man.. you sure got em!!! lol meat eater logic .. your brain is fogged with that toxic **** man
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Originally Posted By naich⏩
Thats not really true. Anyone who knew anything about oil 20 years ago knew we had plenty of it. Its obtaining it thats the problem, either too costly, dangerous, or under a national park/out of jurisdiction
Sorry but it is true, they've been talking about oil running out for over 100 years now. The advancement of technology has smashed those ideas.
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Originally Posted By Succeeded⏩
bahahaha are you stupid? you're comparing riding horses, which strains them...to putting clothes on a dog which does nothing physically harmful? yeah they're totally the same thing.. you definitely leveled out the playing field man.. you sure got em!!! lol meat eater logic .. your brain is fogged with that toxic **** man
So clothing on an animal that doesn't sweat and must pant to cool itself couldn't possibly harmful...

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Originally Posted By saiyar1⏩
What is a dog or cats "natural habitat"? They are domesticated animals. If someone has an issue with a WILD animal being caged, I don't see how dogs or cats apply.
Cows and chickens are domesticated animals too. If its wrong to cage one domesticated animal then its wrong to cage/confine them all.
If someone has an issue with eating eggs, then hey don't want to eat eggs. That has nothing to do with believing in abortion unless you specifically say you think you're killing an innocent chicken. That in itself is not a good comparison. However, if someone IS saying that then you have a problem with hypocrites or idiots (not vegans).
You clearly missed the point. People that wont eat honey or an unfertilized egg... but find nothing ethically questionable in slightest for destroying a human fetus clearly haven't thought their position through.
If something feels pain then it seems like a pretty damn good reason to not want to eat it. How do you know the things you listed don't feel pain? How trustworthy are your sources.
Because the same logic that was applied to the plant was used.
You're an idiot. Stop trying to be an intellectual and stick to lifting heavy things. Might want to lose some body fat too, chubby.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
So clothing on an animal that doesn't sweat and must pant to cool itself couldn't possibly harmful...

Lol stupid example. Riding horses is cruel to vegans because its, dressing up a dog isn't cruel by any means.. ridiculous and silly? depends on the person but its not on the same level as putting a saddle on a horse and riding it with your body weight. Riding horses can **** their **** up if its done the wrong way where putting clothes on a dog does nothing. I see what you're saying but it's not as serious as a horse.. use better examples if you want your questions taken earnestly. Maybe thats why no one else replied to you respectfully yet.


http://www.petmd.com/dog/seasonal/ev...aters_for_dogs

^ clothes can benefit dogs in a way
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Originally Posted By Succeeded⏩
Lol stupid example. Riding horses is cruel to vegans because its USE OF AN ANIMAL,dressing up a dog isn't cruel by any means.. ridiculous and silly? depends on the person but its not on the same level as putting a saddle on a horse and riding it with your body weight. Riding horses can **** their **** up if its done the wrong way where putting clothes on a dog does nothing. I see what you're saying but it's not as serious as a horse.. use better examples if you want your questions taken earnestly. Maybe thats why no one else replied to you respectfully yet.
That's why various animal rights organizations have threatened legal action over it. That's why there are thousands of internet sites and articles against it.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
That's why various animal rights organizations have threatened legal action over it. That's why there are thousands of internet sites and articles against it.
Post a link and paste a good example backed up by a reputable source on why its so cruel then?
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Originally Posted By Succeeded⏩
Post a link and paste a good example backed up by a reputable source on why its so cruel then?
"To see a little dog dressed up in boots, I think, is a little over the top.

"You can buy anything fashion wise for your dog. I have an extreme love of the dog, but I don't like to see them dressed up as little human beings. I don't think they like it either. It's unnatural."

Earlier this week animal welfare officers also warned thatdog clothing could cause the animals to overheat.


... rocket science

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...rosecuted.html
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
"To see a little dog dressed up in boots, I think, is a little over the top.

"You can buy anything fashion wise for your dog. I have an extreme love of the dog, but I don't like to see them dressed up as little human beings. I don't think they like it either. It's unnatural."

Earlier this week animal welfare officers also warned thatdog clothing could cause the animals to overheat.


... rocket science

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...rosecuted.html
Experts believe there are occasions where dog clothing is acceptable, such as with small dogs and short-haired varieties, and during cold weather.

You just got cucked in your own game. You're generalizing saying dressing up every dog is cruel.. hmmm yet experts are saying it's acceptable in certain occasions. You lose. Use better examples.
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Originally Posted By Succeeded⏩
Experts believe there are occasions where dog clothing is acceptable, such as with small dogs and short-haired varieties, and during cold weather.

You just got cucked in your own game. You're generalizing saying dressing up every dog is cruel.. hmmm yet experts are saying it's acceptable in certain occasions. You lose. Use better examples.
Actually i originally pointed out the hypocrisy in your logic that you previously stated...
bahahaha are you stupid?you're comparing riding horses, which can strain them...to putting clothes on a dog which does nothing physically harmful?yeah they're totally the same thing.. you definitely leveled out the playing field man.. you sure got em!!! lol meat eater logic .. your brain is fogged with that toxic **** man
You're the one talking in absolutes.
to putting clothes on a dog whichdoes nothing physically harmful?
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
Actually i originally pointed out the hypocrisy in your logic that you previously stated...



You're the one talking in absolutes.

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You're making it seem that dogs dressed up is physically harmful at all times. Ok, it can be to a certain degree according to that article but at the same time we have experts saying clothes can be necessary so I'm more right than you, even if you point out the hypocrisy you still lost and your word over an experts being taken seriously is slim to none, your example was flawed and is now null and void.
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Originally Posted By Succeeded⏩
You're making it seem that dogs dressed up is physically harmful at all times. Ok, it can be to a certain degree according to that article but at the same time we have experts saying clothes can be necessary so I'm more right than you, even if you point out the hypocrisy you still lost and your word over an experts being taken seriously is slim to none, your example was flawed and is now null and void.
1. Expert says clothing can be harmful
2. Expert says clothing is generally unnecessaryexcept on occasion.

Then you claim you're right more than me... and then have to follow up with this diatribe...
so I'm more right than you, even if you point out the hypocrisy you still lost and your word over an experts being taken seriously is slim to none, your example was flawed and is now null and void.
"There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle." -Gym Jones
"The soul becomes dyed with the color of its thoughts." - Marcus Aurelius

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