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Thread: 👻Some vegan logic that boggles my mind...

post 1453490143 07-19-2016, 12:20 PM
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I love when vegans provide the argument that the "life cycle", aka hunting/killing for food and the industrial farms/slaughterhouses are not the same.

Don't get me wrong...they aren't the same at all. but that's where you stop being right. at the end of the day, how the animals are being killed is semantics. predators kill prey, etc etc. So either you're okay with people killing animals for food, or you arent. You don't get to cherry pick HOW those animals are killed...maybe centuries ago when the world population was a miniscule fraction of what it is today.

but yes, lets support hunting, arm all individuals in the world, and then when free-roaming animals start to thin out and there's no grocery stores to pick up food, we can see what happens.
Originally Posted By Mehilove⏩
This wasting water fact always bugs me.

Correct me if I'm wrong - Earth is a closed system meaning everything that has been on earth since the beginning is still here and always will be. So when we are using all this water to feed the animals it will eventually return back into the earth through whatever means.
you are somewhat correct. however think of it this way...if you have a big pool full of drinkable water and leave it open for as long as it takes all the water in it to evaporate, then it rains down into the ocean, then it is no longer drinkable, and we have to use resources to make it drinkable again.
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Lol at vegans who care more about animals than other humans.
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If you really wanna save the earth or whatever, just kill yourself (not srs) since over population is our biggest problem (srs).

Honestly, you can do whatever you like. Eat meat, don't eat meat.
Just stop forcing your beliefs down others throat. It's no better than Jehovas witnesses.
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Originally Posted By Zackad⏩
I love when vegans provide the argument that the "life cycle", aka hunting/killing for food and the industrial farms/slaughterhouses are not the same.

Don't get me wrong...they aren't the same at all. but that's where you stop being right. at the end of the day, how the animals are being killed is semantics. predators kill prey, etc etc. So either you're okay with people killing animals for food, or you arent. You don't get to cherry pick HOW those animals are killed...maybe centuries ago when the world population was a miniscule fraction of what it is today.

but yes, lets support hunting, arm all individuals in the world, and then when free-roaming animals start to thin out and there's no grocery stores to pick up food, we can see what happens.



you are somewhat correct. however think of it this way...if you have a big pool full of drinkable water and leave it open for as long as it takes all the water in it to evaporate, then it rains down into the ocean, then it is no longer drinkable, and we have to use resources to make it drinkable again.
I said this before and ill say it again...i (and the majority of vegans) dont care how the animals are killed (obviously the least painful way would be preferred);

what i can't stand is the living conditions of these animals...if you happen to have some spare time just do some research on mass farms and tell me if this is acceptable to you.

Concentration camps were heaven compared to most farms...."but you cant compare the human holocaust to this animal holocaust" is what youre probably thinking...why? cause animal have no feelings? cause they feel no pain? well guess what? They have emotions like you and me, they feel pain and they do not deserve to live an horrible life just because "meat is tasty!"
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Originally Posted By xam1996⏩
I said this before and ill say it again...i (and the majority of vegans) dont care how the animals are killed (obviously the least painful way would be preferred);

what i can't stand is the living conditions of these animals...if you happen to have some spare time just do some research on mass farms and tell me if this is acceptable to you.

Concentration camps were heaven compared to most farms...."but you cant compare the human holocaust to this animal holocaust" is what youre probably thinking...why? cause animal have no feelings? cause they feel no pain? well guess what? They have emotions like you and me, they feel pain and they do not deserve to live an horrible life just because "meat is tasty!"
strong assumption in that entire last paragraph. I'm well aware animals feel pain and have emotions, and anyone who is going to deny that is ignorant. But at the end of the day, it's nature. There's many animals that play with and torture their food before they eat it, and there are even animals who kill just for the hell of it. But humans eating cows/chickens/pigs/whatever for food is nature.

Obviously I'm not advocating for terrible conditions for those animals, but insofar, that is what has been necessary to feed our world the way we have been. If it can be changed, then that would be lovely, and I would be all for voting in favor of that.

As for your first sentence...you may be the minority, because most vegans I have encountered are very vigilant about emphasizing that animals have just as much right to staying alive as we do, which is something I don't entirely agree with. If one must be eliminated for the other to survive and flourish, then I will choose the human most times (assuming they aren't a degenerate scumbag piece of sht) (also talking on an individual basis, not the entire species)
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Originally Posted By batspoof⏩
The problem now is that you're making statements which are not true, in order to justify your own narrative. I'm a vegan and I'm pro sustainable-hunting. The problem (for me, and for the vast majority of people living in first-world cities) is that hunting in modern society is entirely impractical.

The other point is that hunting animals for food (in modern society) is completely unnecessary for human sustenance, and puts added strain on the health system due to all thechronic diseases that the consumption of animal meat causes in human populations.

What you also don't seem to understand is that ethical farming is not profitable. Animal agriculture is a business, and like any business their main endeavor is to maximize profit. The suffering and death of animals is of no concern to them. Sure, there are some small family-owned and operated farms who keep their animals in better conditions, but such farms cannot provide enough meat to feed the masses.
India is the closest country you can get to being Vegan yet it has the one of the worst rates of chronic disease in the world.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country

Japan is a country that is known for its sea food dishes yet it is in the top 5 healthiest countries.

France has a diet of mostly meat and dairy and despite smoking 10x more than india has 10x less chronic disease rates.

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I went vegetarian a few months ago and I love it. Veganism is definitely more hardcore but I can see how it is a healthier way of living. I am slightly lacrose intolerant anyway. Eh might make the switch sometime down the line...who knows.
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[QUOTE=Mehilove post_id=1453496463]India is the closest country you can get to being Vegan yet it has the one of the worst rates of chronic disease in the world.[/url]

France has a diet of mostly meat and dairy and despite smoking 10x more than india has 10x less chronic disease rates.[/QUOTE]exactly. France has Evian though, India's water is kinda "unsafe".
eeeh probably got nothing to do with it
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Originally Posted By TheJunkMan81⏩
wait.....how are eggs vegetarian?
They're not meat, are they?
Originally Posted By xam1996⏩
But just tell me where in the wild animals keep their prey in cages where they barely fit for years, in horrible conditions, only to kill them once they no longer need them
Because they're not as smart as we are. Also, I don't know if you realize this, but where in the wild do animals discuss things on message boards?
Originally Posted By batspoof⏩
Yeah, except that countless studies have proven that it causes artherosclerosis, cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes, alzheimer's, and various cancers.
That's not true. Processed meat is what's causing issues, and on red meat the jury is still out there. The studies that showed any risks with it were correlational and there are many critiques out to there for each of them that refute such conclusions as yours. Also, even if red meat was the problem, there is other meat than red and processed, so meat itself is not the problem. That would be like saying we shouldn't eat mushrooms, because some are poisonous. There's absolutely nothing wrong with dairy products, poultry or seafood, and especially the latter can actually have a very beneficial impact on health.
Originally Posted By Angeluvlove⏩
I'm still considered half a vegan I don't drink milk eat cheese, or red meat, as well as could go 1-2 months just on salads, vegetables, and fruits.I do stop though after awhile and eat seafood , rarely chicken. You may consider me an omnivore but since I can go 1-2 months as a vegan it isn't the case so being judgemental on my half vegan lifestyle is bigotry. I will be a full vegan someday as well as ,I try not to eat living animals but certain seafood has lots of omegas and benefits for your heart .Skinless chicken breast has very good protein. Everyone knows the benefits of eating more fruits and vegetables, it reduces more heart problems and heart attacks, protects the heart ,decreases strokes it even could prevent most cancers.So that's why I'm mostly vegan but after sometime choose to eat seafood, chicken because eating both has benefits ,and I believe both lifestyle eating habits have benefits.Like I said I will , hope to become a full vegan someday because of the whole animal killing that doesn't seem so ethical.
You're half vegan, OK. You are either stupid or a troll.
Originally Posted By Hyruliangoat⏩
it is complete hypocrisy to feel outraged when you see a dog with a cut on its face wanting the dog to receive some sort of justice for its abuse but to turn the blind eye to a cow. its also hypocritical for people to be upset at asian cultures for using dogs and cats for its fur or eating them or whatever but to again still turn the blind eye to the cow the chicken the pig etc. logically there is no argument to defend factory farming what so ever.

also do not claim to be an animal lover if you have no problem with factory farming and what not. you are a dog/cat/hamster whatever lover not an animal lover. this is something i realized was hypocritical about myself. i volunteer at SPCA frequently and id feel awful for a cow there or a horse or whatever but would go eat a burger right after ignoring the fact of the abuse id just see of the same animal and claiming to be an animal lover.
There's nothing hypocritical about that first situation. If someone decides to just care about dogs, but not cows, then that's a perfectly legitimate position. It would only be hypocritical if he was claiming he wants no animals hurt, but then turned a blind eye to how cows are treated. There's also nothing hypocritical about liking horses, but still killing and eating them. Again, a perfectly legitimate position. There's no rule that you have to have super general views on things. I don't have to either like or not like all animals, I can also just like some and not others.
Originally Posted By xam1996⏩
Concentration camps were heaven compared to most farms...."but you cant compare the human holocaust to this animal holocaust" is what youre probably thinking...why? cause animal have no feelings? cause they feel no pain? well guess what? They have emotions like you and me, they feel pain and they do not deserve to live an horrible life just because "meat is tasty!"
They sure asfuck don't have emotions like you and me. Human emotions are different than those of animals. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong morally with killing people, either, and people refrain from it for selfish reasons, but I'd have to say feeling sympathy for members of your own species is much more natural than that of others. So there's absolutely no problem saying you care about people, but not animals. The latter don't deserve or not deserve anything. No living creature deserves or doesn't deserve anything, life is a neutral experience from that standpoint.
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Originally Posted By Violettt⏩
I went vegetarian a few months ago and I love it. Veganism is definitely more hardcore but I can see how it is a healthier way of living. I am slightly lacrose intolerant anyway. Eh might make the switch sometime down the line...who knows.
First veggie ITT that actually looks healthy.

Rest look like they got a visit from Oskar Schindler.
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Originally Posted By VocelLoser⏩
First veggie ITT that actually looks healthy.

Rest look like they got a visit from Oskar Schindler.
Look up Jon Venus. I follow him on IG and youtube. He's a vegan bodybuilder. Actually seems like a really cool guy.
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They don't want to eat meat, but still want to eat food that looks and tastes like meat. WTH have tofurkey or veggie burgers? Just eat tofu or vegetables and call it what it is.
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Originally Posted By VocelLoser⏩
First veggie ITT that actually looks healthy.

Rest look like they got a visit from Oskar Schindler.
this guy manages to blend very funny jokes with high brow cultural references (Schindler, the jews in concentration camps, looking skinny)
in case it flew over your head, you stupid vegans

this guy. funny and intelligent. a rare combination
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Originally Posted By JoshW2480⏩
They don't want to eat meat, but still want to eat food that looks and tastes like meat. WTH have tofurkey or veggie burgers? Just eat tofu or vegetables and call it what it is.
yes, because a lot of them actually liked meat. they don't like what's behind meat.
so if you can get close to replicating the experience without the whole imprisoning and killing, that's good.
clear enough?
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Originally Posted By ARNOLD_Layne⏩
yes, because a lot of them actually liked meat. they don't like what's behind meat.
so if you can get close to replicating the experience without the whole imprisoning and killing, that's good.
clear enough?
Yeah, I find no issue with vegan or vegetarian foods mimicking the look, texture and taste of meat. There's nothing hypocritical about that and doesn't undermine the choice to go vegan.
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Originally Posted By Zackad⏩
strong assumption in that entire last paragraph. I'm well aware animals feel pain and have emotions, and anyone who is going to deny that is ignorant. But at the end of the day, it's nature. There's many animals that play with and torture their food before they eat it, and there are even animals who kill just for the hell of it. But humans eating cows/chickens/pigs/whatever for food is nature.

Obviously I'm not advocating for terrible conditions for those animals, but insofar, that is what has been necessary to feed our world the way we have been. If it can be changed, then that would be lovely, and I would be all for voting in favor of that.

As for your first sentence...you may be the minority, because most vegans I have encountered are very vigilant about emphasizing that animals have just as much right to staying alive as we do, which is something I don't entirely agree with. If one must be eliminated for the other to survive and flourish, then I will choose the human most times (assuming they aren't a degenerate scumbag piece of sht) (also talking on an individual basis, not the entire species)
Alright, got your point...i also agree with your last paragraph, all i'm saying is that if you just cant give up animal products, just try to eat less of them : many many vegans alternatives out there, try them and i promise you wont be disappointed.
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Originally Posted By EmperorRyker⏩
Because they're not as smart as we are. Also, I don't know if you realize this, but where in the wild do animals discuss things on message boards?
So just because we are smarter we have permission to treat them like sht?

So if a smarter species came out of nowhere and did to us what we do to animals, would be acceptable because they're smarter?
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Originally Posted By EmperorRyker⏩
Yeah, I find no issue with vegan or vegetarian foods mimicking the look, texture and taste of meat. There's nothing hypocritical about that and doesn't undermine the choice to go vegan.

9 ingredients to replace 1.
Inferior in every single way.
Processed as ****.
"Herp derp but cholesterol!!!!"
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No doubt about it, these are worse for you than actual eggs. So embarrassing to be an idiotic vegan.
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Originally Posted By xam1996⏩
So just because we are smarter we have permission to treat them like sht?

So if a smarter species came out of nowhere and did to us what we do to animals, would be acceptable because they're smarter?
you don't even need a smarter species. smart people should eat dumb people right now. I would not complain, even though I would get eaten.
so their reasoning makes perfect sense
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Originally Posted By jamesovercome⏩
No doubt about it, these are worse for you than actual eggs. So embarrassing to be an idiotic vegan.
yeah look at that.. flour, salt, cellulose. that's chernobyl shit right there

yeast. there's even fuking yeast. bleah. dangerous
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[QUOTE=jamesovercome post_id=1453510073][IMG]http://i68.tinypic.com/10mj48m.png[IMG]
9 ingredients to replace 1.
Inferior in every single way.
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No doubt about it, these are worse for you than actual eggs. So embarrassing to be an idiotic vegan.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I was just talking from a purely "look at the act itself of doing it" perspective. I didn't say it was necessarily healthy (although just because those things have extra ingredients, I don't see why it's unhealthy, either).

[QUOTE=xam1996 post_id=1453509813]So just because we are smarter we have permission to treat them like sht?

So if a smarter species came out of nowhere and did to us what we do to animals, would be acceptable because they're smarter?[/QUOTE]No, not because we are smarter. It's because we don't need permission. And yes, morally it would be acceptable for someone to do that to us. I hope no one does it, though.
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I understand the animals in cages thing it's terrible what they do to those animals in mass production "farms" if you cant see a problem with it then you don't want to see it
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Originally Posted By EmperorRyker⏩
And yes, morally it would be acceptable for someone to do that to us.
because..

and how much smarter would they have to be?
like if I can solve a mathematical problem in 50 minutes and they could do it in 3, is it ok if they eat me?
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Originally Posted By ARNOLD_Layne⏩
this guy manages to blend very funny jokes with high brow cultural references (Schindler, the jews in concentration camps, looking skinny)
in case it flew over your head, you stupid vegans

this guy. funny and intelligent. a rare combination
Haha calm down, Giuseppe.

All that soy-estrogen got you sarcastically chitposting like a woman on her rag.
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Originally Posted By VocelLoser⏩
Haha calm down, Giuseppe.

All that soy-estrogen got you sarcastically chitposting like a woman on her rag.
and here he goes again. who can stop this guy. this time, instead of malnourished jews, I am compared to a woman on her period (always a funny topic).

don't ever change dude
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Originally Posted By jamesovercome⏩

9 ingredients to replace 1.
Inferior in every single way.
Processed as ****.
"Herp derp but cholesterol!!!!"
https://examine.com/faq/will-eating-...y-cholesterol/

No doubt about it, these are worse for you than actual eggs. So embarrassing to be an idiotic vegan.
Yep, that is some of the most retarded processed crap I have ever seen & that Gellan Gum crap is nasty as hell.
post 1453513403 07-19-2016, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted By EmperorRyker⏩
No, not because we are smarter. It's because we don't need permission.
oh ok missed this part. still doesn't make sense to me. how does permission, or not needing it, equal "morally right"
The problem is I'm focusing on the things in life that don't really matter.
post 1453513993 07-19-2016, 02:48 PM
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Lets take a look at fast food.
Bun = vegan(sugar,HFCS)
Ketchup = Vegan(sugar, HFCS)
Mustard = Vegan(sugar, HFCS)
Tomato, Lettuce(no problems here)
Cheese
Beef
Bun(sugar, HFCS)
Fries = Vegan
Pop = Vegan(Pepsi and coke contains no animal products or pepsin despite all cries otherwise)

And you have the nuts to claim its that ****ty meat and cheese that causes obesity and disease and not the empty calories, sugar and carbs that repeatedly spike insulin with little nutritional value? Lol what a delusional mindset vegans have.
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post 1453514103 07-19-2016, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted By ARNOLD_Layne⏩
because..

and how much smarter would they have to be?
like if I can solve a mathematical problem in 50 minutes and they could do it in 3, is it ok if they eat me?
Originally Posted By ARNOLD_Layne⏩
oh ok missed this part. still doesn't make sense to me. how does permission, or not needing it, equal "morally right"
I'm not saying it's morally right, just that it's not wrong. Look at my title, thereisno wrong or right. There are just actions, we can observe them, but there's no moral filter that we can apply to them. Everything is neutral and just happens.
"In all things there is a poison and there is nothing without a poison. It depends only upon the dose whether a poison is a poison or not." ~ Paracelsus
post 1453514253 07-19-2016, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted By ARNOLD_Layne⏩
and here he goes again. who can stop this guy. this time, instead of malnourished jews, I am compared to a woman on her period (always a funny topic).

don't ever change dude


Thing is, you actually do sound like a bitch with your sarcastic responses and getting offended over everything.
Originally Posted By EmperorRyker⏩
I'm not saying it's morally right, just that it's not wrong. Look at my title, there is no wrong or right.
Don't even bother arguing with the dumb wop, he'll just respond with sass.
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