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post 1453835843 07-21-2016, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted By johsin28⏩
For every 100 times they get chit on, they get one praise.
You can literally say that about any profession...

But being a police officer, you are under much more scrutiny and rightfully so...

Besides bad stories always get more views, that's why the news leads with Neighborhood murders, instead of the 5 year old girl collecting beer caps to save homeless kittens...
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
because the people outraged aren't the one's doing those things in the first place, and you can't just tell criminals to stop it. they are criminals and by definition don't listen to even the law.
It's because enough people aren't outraged because they just consider it a way of life for them, unite like you are now against violence in your own communities and see what happens, the change would be great I would think.
Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
if you don't live in the community, it doesn't impact you. Whether or not thugs are killing each other in a poor black neighborhood doesn't impact or have anything to do with the rich white nuclear family in the burbs. get real here
I'm in Dallas in a fairly nice area, there is a community "ghetto" less than 2 miles from my house where people are shot and stabbed frequently!!!! How far do stray bullets fly in the air? My children do play outside, even inside bullets do travel through walls.. It doesn't affect me directly I don't have to live with it day in and day out but yes sir it does affect me. If we live less than 2 miles from the ghetto what school do you think our kids will attend, attend together most likely.. So yeah, again our children growing up together that affects me. U think we are all white privileged entitled nuclear families... The majority of whites are not rich and don't live in ritzy neighborhoods.
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
most of that 40% are in jail for drug related, non violent crimes that white people aren't hunted for or convicted for.

That's a result of police bias.

no shock you're voting for trump lol
More excuses, not surprised you voted for Obama and soon to be Hillary..
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
Police are supposed to be involved when crime happens, whether it's thugs or not. Nobody is up in arms about police doing their job.

They are pi$$Ed because there are too many circumstances like this oneWHERE COPS ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT

if you are concerned about the backlash, stop telling BLM that they are a racist terrorist group and start supporting the cause to hold cops to higher standards aka not allowing them kill blacks and get away with it
I agreed with that bolded part earlier in the thread and more. It still ends up involving everyone directly or indirectly.

BLM's reputation is another issue. They would need to change their focus from a race based issue to one of police injustice regardless of race. I think they would garner a lot more support that way and not labeled as a racist/terroristic group. That and some of their leaders are viciously ignorant, violent, racists that should never be allowed in public or to represent their cause.
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Originally Posted By Captain554⏩
BLM's reputation is another issue. They would need to change their focus from a race based issue to one of police injustice regardless of race. I think they would garner a lot more support that way and not labeled as a racist/terroristic group.
Agreed!
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post 1453838343 07-21-2016, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted By NeverTilt⏩
It's because enough people aren't outraged because they just consider it a way of life for them, unite like you are now against violence in your own communities and see what happens, the change would be great I would think.
This isn't true, like I said most black are not criminals and thugs they want to have nice safe communities but there's a ghetto subset that does not give a fuk, they won't take responsibility for anything, and they are ruining things for everyone. No amount of outrage among the good is going to fix them. What ends up happening is people start giving up and just telling those communities to go fuk itself.


In terms of living two miles away from the ghetto, why don't you move then? Free will homie. I grew up in the ghetto and now I live in a safe burb
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Originally Posted By InVentive44⏩
Just LOL if you think the policeman will be held accountable! He'll get a slap on the wrist and some PAID time off. Meanwhile buddy will have to fight tooth and nail for compensation.
You're exactly the type of person that is starting sh*t and increasing racial tensions. Jumping to strong conclusions and spreading fear by spouting off the cop will get off easy without letting the process unfold first.

You should really be ashamed of yourself. You're doing more harm than good (I don't actually think you're trying to do good honestly).



Let me tell you, you're treading a slippery slope with all the hate and resentment aimed toward law enforcement bro. Do you think an attack on the police force in this manner is going to improve the quality of police work? It won't. The opposite is true. Fewer people will want to even go in that field with the intense, sweeping hate the public is beginning to throw their way. Before long you'll have fewer officers out there trying to prevent even more crimes.

Instead of chalking it up to an inadequate level of preparation and training of forces that leads to these mistakes and try to work with law enforcement to improve training to eliminate these mistakes you'd rather point the finger and make it a case of corruption and intent.

Stay safe bro.
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Originally Posted By Captain554⏩
BLM's reputation is another issue. They would need to change their focus from a race based issue to one of police injustice regardless of race. I think they would garner a lot more support that way and not labeled as a racist/terroristic group. That and some of their leaders are viciously ignorant, violent, racists that should never be allowed in public or to represent their cause.
why aren't black people allowed to acknowledge their own struggles. I don't care what you say, my white friends don't have to deal with the things I do when it comes to police.

They don't worry every single time a cop even comes around them, I do
They don't worry about being assumed a thug on sight
They don't worry about cops being called just for looking "out of place"

This is a black issue, why can't they fuking call it that?
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Originally Posted By jason_bh⏩
Not true. You need to educate yourself. You're just going on spewing what you hear from the media and buying into what you want to hear.


5 Statistics You Need To Know About Cops Killing Blacks
http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5...-aaron-bandler

NOTE: I am not commenting on the video in OP. I believe it a senseless shooting based on the video alone.
Strong logic, a shame that the majority of people will never use that logic. I'm ashamed to see such unrelenting and biased opinions on police officers in here. It's sickening, just remember not to call 911 when something terrible happens to you guys so you don't support the police officers!
Originally Posted By Julio49⏩
You're exactly the type of person that is starting sh*t and increasing racial tensions. Jumping to strong conclusions and spreading fear by spouting off the cop will get off easy without letting the process unfold first.

You should really be ashamed of yourself. You're doing more harm than good (I don't actually think you're trying to do good honestly).



Let me tell you, you're treading a slippery slope with all the hate and resentment aimed toward law enforcement bro. Do you think an attack on the police force in this manner is going to improve the quality of police work? It won't. The opposite is true. Fewer people will want to even go in that field with the intense, sweeping hate the public is beginning to throw their way. Before long you'll have fewer officers out there trying to prevent even more crimes.

Instead of chalking it up to an inadequate level of preparation and training of forces that leads to these mistakes and try to work with law enforcement to improve training to eliminate these mistakes you'd rather point the finger and make it a case of corruption and intent.

Stay safe bro.
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
why aren't black people allowed to acknowledge their own struggles. I don't care what you say, my white friends don't have to deal with the things I do when it comes to police.

They don't worry every single time a cop even comes around them, I do
They don't worry about being assumed a thug on sight
They don't worry about cops being called just for looking "out of place"

This is a black issue, why can't they fuking call it that?
Police injustice is not just a black issue. I don't care what they call their group, they could call it Malcom X and the Flying Unicorns, and it wouldn't matter one fuk to me. When they are violent and racist or start infringing on other people's freedoms and liberties, then the group as a whole becomes an issue- not just their name.

I understand there are black issues and struggles that I will never know. That being said, I have black friends whose parents grew up in poor black communities and when they became adults, they moved out of those communities and raised their black children in what you describe "rich white nuclear family" community. They don't face half the struggles as those in those poor black communities. They generally present themselves differently than those in the poor communities and are sometimes ostracized from the people of those communities because of the way the act and present themselves. There needs to be change and a lot of it needs to come from inside the community and not the rest of the population conforming to accept the negative things that happen as a fact-of-life and "not their problem."
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Originally Posted By Captain554⏩
I understand there are black issues and struggles that I will never know. That being said, I have black friends whose parents grew up in poor black communities and when they became adults, they moved out of those communities and raised their black children in what you describe "rich white nuclear family" community. They don't face half the struggles as those in those poor black communities. They generally present themselves differently than those in the poor communities and are sometimes ostracized from the people of those communities because of the way the act and present themselves. There needs to be change and a lot of it needs to come from inside the community and not the rest of the population conforming to accept the negative things that happen as a fact-of-life and "not their problem."
this is all true, but none of that has anything to do with cops killing blacks when they do not need to and getting away with it. That is the only reason that BLM was started and as soon as it stops happening BLM will end. Cops need to stop shooting black men for no reason and getting vacation and a pension as a reward. simple as that. Throw them in jail
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Originally Posted By Captain554⏩
They generally present themselves differently than those in the poor communities and are sometimes ostracized from the people of those communities because of the way the act and present themselves.
Dated some black women in the past and they were always different around their family than they were when it was just us because they would get roasted if they "acted white". Always the same question.."so why you wanna date a black girl man?"...ummm lets see, because shes pretty and funny? Why do you date any woman? They seemed to think I was up to something and had a master plan cause you can't really trust no white man, no sir.
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Originally Posted By CrookedDink⏩
Absolutely nothing happened in that video. Am i missing something?
this

People don't just film while nothing is happening and then just HAPPEN to stop right before the relevant stuff happens

Cop didn't just shoot him for no reason. Obviously knew there were bystanders and witnesses. There is more to the story that is conveniently left out.

IF THERE ISNT, then obviously cop should be charged. But I don't buy it, and since no one here knows for sure, it is once again jumping to conclusions to condemn cops.
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Originally Posted By Mcfreako⏩
this

People don't just film while nothing is happening and then just HAPPEN to stop right before the relevant stuff happens

Cop didn't just shoot him for no reason. Obviously knew there were bystanders and witnesses. There is more to the story that is conveniently left out.

IF THERE ISNT, then obviously cop should be charged. But I don't buy it, and since no one here knows for sure, it is once again jumping to conclusions to condemn cops.
unbelievable.
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
unbelievable.
which part is unbelievable? The part where I said, IF nothing relevant happened during the most critical part of that video where the witness stopped filming, then YES the cop should be charged.

Or the part where I said, SINCE WE DIDNT SEE THE WHOLE THING, you are jumping to conclusions without having the facts

Seems like I'm the one being rational
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Something sounds way too fishy. I say it's a conspiracy and done on purpose to get people more heated against cops and guns
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
this is all true, but none of that has anything to do with cops killing blacks when they do not need to and getting away with it.That is the only reason that BLM was started and as soon as it stops happening BLM will end. Cops need to stop shooting black men for no reason and getting vacation and a pension as a reward. simple as that. Throw them in jail
I'll agree... mostly, but I also think people need to know the full story before getting enraged. How many shootings were justified vs unjustified or is every shooting unjustified?

This thread's shooting seems obviously unjustified from what we know so far. Some of the other shootings... maybe not. If you're a known violent criminal with a huge rap sheet of violent crime and you're resisting arrest while illegally carrying a firearm and the police are responding to call where a man just threatened another with a gun, maybe the officers were justified. My only point is there needs to be as much outrage as there is criticism instead of blind outrage. There needs to be better scrutiny on both sides of this argument.
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Originally Posted By Mcfreako⏩
this

People don't just film while nothing is happening and then just HAPPEN to stop right before the relevant stuff happens

Cop didn't just shoot him for no reason. Obviously knew there were bystanders and witnesses. There is more to the story that is conveniently left out.

IF THERE ISNT, then obviously cop should be charged. But I don't buy it, and since no one here knows for sure, it is once again jumping to conclusions to condemn cops.
your painting your own narrative bro.
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
this is all true, but none of that has anything to do with cops killing blacks when they do not need to and getting away with it. That is the only reason that BLM was started and as soon as it stops happening BLM will end. Cops need to stop shooting black men for no reason and getting vacation and a pension as a reward. simple as that. Throw them in jail
Just as many white males are killed by police as are black males and you're going to sit here with a presumably straight face and say police officers shoot black men for no reason!!!! Not only that, the number of unarmed whites vs blacks killed is roughly the same! While it's true blacks are 15% of the population, they commit the majority of violent crimes so the criminal to population ratio is higher here. Look up some actual real life ****ing numbers for once and stop spewing out the same crap. It is people like YOU that perpetuate the racial divide because it is unsubstantiated and driven solely off emotions. You are shown these acts, react and it ****ing sells.

How about this incident: where is the ****ing outrage over this?http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...nap-story.html

Stop with the racial crap. If you want to start a movement, base it off of police reform not "black lives matter" and stop brain washing others with all the propaganda. There is not as big a problem as the media would have you believe, they just FILTER AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU SEE. LOOK AT THE REAL HARD NUMBERS WHICH SHOW THERE IS LITTLE BIAS WHEN IT COMES TO POLICE SHOOTINGS for the last10 yearsbut by all means, continue to be racist. I don't care if you're black, you're still being racist by trying to make this entirely a race issue because it's NOT ONE.
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Lmao nobody believed blacks for all those decades until smartphones came out and started showing proof.

I lol @ people who act like these kinda cases are new, its just they are on video nowadays. Back in the day they would chalk it up as the cop was a hero doing his job, but now thats a little harder to claim lol.
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Reports are cop was trying to shoot the white guy who was attacking the black guy n missed
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Reports are cop was trying to shoot the white guy who was attacking the black guy n missed
What white guy?
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Originally Posted By Jammer02xd⏩
I also offer up this fact as tracked since Jan 2015"Police have shot and killed a young black man 175 times since January 2015; 24 of them were unarmed. Over that same period, police have shot and killed 172 young white men, 18 of whom were unarmed". Who's racist when the numbers are just about the same for white/black shooting by police officers?

See above: roughly the same amount of white men have been killed by police officers as black men. Funny how the shooting of Dylan Noble didn't garnish this kind of mass media attention that others did... Wonder why that is?
LOL.

So you leave out the fact that the white population is at least more than 5 times larger than the black population. As a proportion,innocentblacks are shot and killed far more often by police. Fact.

That police officer is most probably racist and should be charged for attempted murder.

inb4 "but blacks commit more crimes hurr durr" - that does not justify what happened in the video lol.

but keep trying to make it out as if there isn't a problem.

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Originally Posted By thigoonar⏩
LOL.

So you leave out the fact that the white population is at least more than 5 times larger than the black population. As a proportion,innocentblacks are shot and killed far more often by police. Fact.

That police officer is most probably racist and should be charged for attempted murder.
You also leave out the fact that blacks commit more violent crimes than whites despite this difference in population. When you take this into account it makes perfect sense that the numbers are very similar. Let us also consider this:

Black crimes in 2014: 2,427,683
White crimes in 2014: 6,056,687

Murder/manslaughter:
blacks: 4224
whites: 3807

Out of all violent crimes in which someone was charged, black Americans were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the country’s 75 biggest counties β€” despite the fact that black Americans made up just 15 percent of the population in those places.

Since Police recording shootings have been tracked (Jan 2015 - now): Approximately 30% of people fatally shot by police are black and about 50% are non-Hispanic whites. To say that 40 to 50% of all violent crime is committed by blacks (even though they make up only 12% of the male population) puts these numbers into perspective

SO DESPITE BEING A MINORITY IN THE POPULATION, IN THE CRIMINAL POPULATION BLACKS COMMIT A VERY LARGE PORTION OF THE CRIMES. This isn't racism, THIS IS WHAT THE COLD HARD NUMBERS PROVE. and yet you're going to sit here and say there is clear racism in the police force? If blacks as a whole committed significantly less crimes than whites and the numbers were where they were then there would be cause for concern, however, since they commit about the same then it only stands to reason that the amount of deaths by police are relatively the same.

Let's now take a look at the contribution of black/whites to crime:



White people make up about 80% of the American population, according to the United States Census. And black people account for about 13%. Yet, according to the same FBI table, blacks committed 28.4% of the crimes and whites 69.2%. Thus, our contribution to the β€œcrime pie” is larger than our slice of the population pie- actually more than double.

Because black people account for more of the crime statistic than we do the population, we contribute a β€œdisproportionate” amount, meaning our pie slices are uneven. Conversely, white rates are a little more even. 80% of the population, versus a little more than 69% of crime.
Learn to use your brain and not let the media think for you as well as wtf a proportion REALLY IS and how numbers tell the unbiased TRUTH.
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I'm conflicted lately, as I'm a pseudo-LEO (military cop), so I want to try to rationalize the scenarios that have been taking place lately. But most of them are just fukking retards with a badge and a gun. It's pathetic.
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