Lawyers still make good money in BigLaw in the US (sorry coming from ameribrah). But yeah you'd still have to attend a top school or Ivy League which is really competitive too, plus 7yrs of schooling in US, plus long hours at work.

I've heard dentistry is "easier" path here in US too. Still....8yrs of schooling plus residency.

Not too sure about the post-dental school situation in USA, however here in Australia, dental graduates are immediately fully qualified dental surgeons

The direct-to-university from high school for dental school entry is slowly being scrapped around the country at universities in favour of having a "pre-dental" degree (much like USA etc). So now instead of the minimum amount of time to become a dentist formerly being 5 years (undergrad BDSc)... it's now 7 years (3 year undergrad + 4 years grad-entry dentistry).

Also, lol @ dentistry being "easier" than law. Not sure if serious. Perhaps for finding a job after?

On a side note, I have professors in my dental school who have LAW and DENTAL degrees, and they say that law is a "walk in the park" compared to their dental school days. As a dental student myself, I'd have to agree.

I respect dentists, but i honestly dont even see it being that hard a job lol i mean how much sht can you learn about teeth? 90% of your job is cleaning other peoples teeth for them

Myron brah. Dentistry is 4yrs of college and 4yrs of dental school here in the US, plus training just like MD path. And I meant easier in that dentists only have to work 40hrs to make great money, compared to physicians who work 60+. And yeah to get good law jobs you had to be the top percentile and/or went to a top school which are all very competitive. While for dentistry you can go to a cheap public school and still make cash (although still hard to get in and pass of course, just more readily available).

Still...would be nice to make CEO 10k/day with little school and hours. Wish I could be a tech genius and invent the next Instagram lol

Is there any point in you trying to compare "Dentistry" with "Law" when you're experience is in Australia, not the US(which is where this entire thread was aimed at)?

I mean, you said that a Senior Partner was making 75k over there after 7 years. I personally know people who graduated from my lawschool and went into biglaw starting off making 135/150k. I've heard of legal jobs in the government starting off with 75-90K. There's literally no use comparing a field, drawing on the personal experience of people you know, when you don't know what its like in the US.

Just to give you an example, I studied law in Madrid for a summer semester, and their legal field is so saturated that not only is there no prestige that comes with the career, there are likely more lawyers than cab drivers. My point being: maybe law is a walk in the park in Australia, but its not in the US.

lol at debt.

Assuming that my residency pay is $50k/year, I plan on paying $25k/year towards loans. After residency I should have $75k paid off. Let's say I do Internal Medicine and make $200k/year. I'd put down $150k that year towards my debt.

BAM!

Student debt paid off in 4 years lol

Lol chill out m8... Don't think you're the only one smart enough to get into a DMD/MD/MBBS program here and understand that tax brackets aren't career-specific (lol).

.... and you're right- the "cuck pleb" at the 7/11 would have a miniscule tax return compared to this general surgeon and that was exactly my point. His tax return is small but his income would still be large as the majority of 7/11 bro's earnings go undeclared as he pockets the cash directly, does payments etc "off the books" and is able to run his business at a moderate loss and claim all sorts of things back on tax.

As an aside, I know several 7/11 type "cuck plebs" of our parent's generation who golf regularly with surgeons, anaethetists etc. Funnily enough, the uneducated "cucks" are the ones who've retired first and have the fattest superannuation accounts and are being asked financial/investment advice as to how they retired so early.

It's always entertaining seeing this kind of ignorance about dentistry.

Anyway, here is my Doctor of Dental Medicine curriculum:

Cariology
Clinical Dentistry
Dental Biomaterials
Diet and Nutrition
Endodontics
Ethics
Gerodontology
Implantology
Life Sciences
Occlusion
Oral Radiology
Oral Pathology and Medicine
Oral Surgery
Orofacial Pain
Orthodontics
Paediatric Dentistry
Periodontology
Population Oral Health
Professional Practice
Prosthodontics
Research
Special Care Dentistry
Trauma
Tooth Conservation




Cariology introduces the concept of primary care dentistry and provides students with an understanding of the nature of dental caries including its clinical presentation, natural history, epidemiology, determinants, prevention (both primary and non-invasive secondary prevention). Students acquire the skills to apply both primary and non-invasive secondary preventive measures.

Clinical Dentistry builds on the discipline specific content of the earlier years, to enhance student’s ability to integrate all aspects of patient care within the full range of teaching environments, including metropolitan and rural placements, as well as the main teaching centres of Sydney Dental Hospital and Westmead Centre for Oral Health. The objective is for the student to develop a clear understanding of the scope of specialist services available to patients in each of the disciplines. Students will learn their limitations in providing aspects of patient care and will know when and where to refer patients for more specialised treatment.

Dental Biomaterials aims to provide students with a sound scientific basis for understanding the intrinsic properties of dental materials and biomaterials. The learning material aims to provide a sound foundation whereby the clinical applications and limitations may be understood.

Diet and Nutrition is delivered via workshop format and introduces the students to the concept of diet and nutrition in the dental setting and the relationship to dental caries and erosion. It covers the multitude of aspects that influence food choices and addresses the various methods of collecting and assessing dietary data and discusses the tools that can be utilised to assist patients in setting achievable dietary goals.

Endodontics provides students with an understanding of anatomy, histology and physiology of the pulp-dentine complex, the aetiology of pulpal disease and the required treatment. Training commences in the simulation clinic in Year 1 and with students progressing to patient-based experience, first performing endodontic procedures on single canal teeth and in Year 3 and 4 on multi-canal teeth.

Gerodontology teaches students how to render comprehensive oral health care and teach prevention to a dynamic, diverse and rapidly growing elderly population. Students learn the complexity of aging, patient management and the importance of dentistry in total patient care. It covers a wide range of lecture topics, from nutrition and aging to oral cancer and other pathologic lesions of the elderly patient.

Implantology introduces students to the application of dental implants in the Integrated Clinics and commences with a preclinical laboratory exercise for a single tooth. Specific treatment planning sessions in collaboration with the OMS guide students through decision making and work-up for single tooth implants and implant-retained overdentures; students assist during surgical and undertake prosthodontic procedures.

Life Sciences -This is essentially the first 2 years of MEDICAL SCHOOL. Biochemistry, physiology, microbiology, infectious diseases, cardiology, respiratory system, neurology, musckuloskeletal system, pharmacology, pathology, anatomy, physiology etc etc

Occlusion provides students with information on the dynamics of the jaw-joint-muscle-tooth system (stomatognathic system), as a dynamic system for function with implications for patients’ function, nutrition and general health. The learning material commences with an introduction to the handling of alginate impression materials, clinical procedures in recording a face bow transfer record and the applications of articulators taught in Years 1 and 2.

Oral Radiology guides students in the understanding of all terminology related to dentomaxillofacial radiology and to gain the ability to apply the theory of physics and radiation biology, projection geometry and film/electronic sensor image acquisition and processing to clinical situations. Students also learn to recognise normal radiographic anatomy and identify abnormalities and pathology. Students practice taking bitewing radiographs of premolars and molars; periapical radiographs of the dentition using paralleling and bisecting angle techniques; film processing technique from the phase of exposure to the finished radiograph, using both conventional silver-halide-based film imaging and digital imaging, together with the accurate mounting of radiographs and recording of patient details. In Year 3 students take and interpret Panoramic and Cephalometric extra-oral radiographs.

Oral Pathology and Medicine assists students to develop a critical understanding of the maxillofacial and oral diseases as well as systemic diseases with oral manifestations that they may encounter in the course of their professional career and be called upon to diagnose, prevent and treat. The content aims to equip students with the knowledge and skills that will enable them to understand the epidemiology, the aetiology and pathogenesis of conditions that affect the oral and maxillofacial tissues. This will facilitate the diagnosis of the more common oral conditions or to assist students in arriving at a differential diagnosis thereby allowing for correct patient management or referral to relevant specialists for appropriate management.

Oral Surgery commences in Year 2 with a course in Local Anesthesia and exodontia whereby students are equipped with the appropriate knowledge and practical skills to safely administer local anaesthetics and carry out extraction of teeth. This module is designed to equip students with the necessary knowledge and skills in the principles and practice of surgery. Emphasis is placed both on the technical aspects of surgery, as well as the integration of basic sciences to form the appropriate scientific basis for the clinical practice of surgery.

Orofacial Pain provides an understanding of the assessment and diagnosis of orofacial pain and temporomandibular disorders. Students gain an understanding of anatomy and physiology of craniofacial structures including the temporomandibular joints, jaw muscles and trigeminal nerve and particularly of the peripheral nerve distribution of the major trigeminal nerve trunks and other cranial nerves, the anatomical relations of the structures they innervate, and their primary central connections.

Orthodontics introduces students to orthodontics as a dental specialty and an understanding of the role it plays in general dentistry. Students gain an understanding of the concept of normal and malocclusion. Knowledge of craniofacial growth and development is acquired in a coordinated way together with basic histology and embryology to foster an understanding of the aetiology of orthodontic problems. Subsequent to this, students are able to diagnose different malocclusions, obtain and analyse necessary records and formulate a problem list with a tentative treatment plan. Students gain practical experience in the orthodontic diagnosis and treatment planning process on real patients together with practical knowledge of the operation and mode of action of various orthodontic appliances, along with the indications for various appliances.

Paediatric Dentistry develops caring and professional dentists who have the basic knowledge and competency to manage paediatric patients in general dental practice and with the ability to maintain and update this knowledge. Teaching will focus on behaviour management, pain control, the management of caries and dental anomalies in paediatric patients, together with oral pathology and the management of paediatric patients with special needs.

Periodontology covers normal anatomy and histology of periodontal tissue, the composition and role of oral biofilm and periodontal disease, the removal of biofilm, classification of periodontal disease and the treatment and periodontal maintenance and supplementary treatment. Students are introduced to this discipline in the simulation clinics in the early stages and develop their skills through patient-based clinical experience throughout the course.

Population Oral Health aims to provide students with an understanding of how dental disease impacts on populations with Aboriginal communities, special needs and medically compromised groups, used as specific examples. In addition, the epidemiology of dental caries, periodontal disease and maxillofacial trauma are presented.

Professional Practice focuses on professional conduct, with the patient’s interest as the primary priority, and equips students for successful professional practice. An important component of the teaching is effective communication skills for motivation and behaviour change that would be delivered in close association with primary care dentistry.

Prosthodontics in its earliest teaching aims to introduce students to the discipline of oral rehabilitation. The program develops students’ skills in the handling of impression and cast materials, taking alginate impressions, and pouring up impressions to produce stone casts. Students are subsequentially provided with the knowledge to understand the consequences of tooth loss, replacing missing teeth, types of dentures, and components of partial and ful dentures and their function.

Research commences in Year 1 by familiarising students with concepts in epidemiology and research methodology. Students will gain skills in identifying different study types and understanding basic biostatistics. In year 2, students will learn how to document and report a literature search, and use various indices of publication quality. Critical analysis of problems will also be a feature of year 2. In Year 3, students engage in a research project, preparing a draft report on their individual/group research projects by the end of the year. An intensive course on Evidence-Based Dental Practice comprises a significant part of year 4

Special Care Dentistry aims to develop basic knowledge and understanding of common intellectual and physical disabilities, neurodegenerative disorders and mental illnesses. The program aims to develop confidence and competence in the management of the special needs patient with a focus on building rapport, patience and modifications to treatment modalities to provide optimum oral health care. The importance of communication with both patient and care-giver is also highlighted.

Trauma is presented collaboratively between the disciplines of Endodontics, Oral Surgery and Paediatric Dentistry. Students learn about the management of minor trauma to the oral hard and soft tissue.

Tooth Conservation covers clinical aspects of tooth conservation including treatment planning and provision of patient treatment for acute care and routine preventive and restorative procedures. This commences early in Year 1 in a simulated learning environment where students are introduced to dental instrumentation and the dental operatory environment, together with simple restorative procedures. Complexity of restorative procedures increases throughout Years 2 and 3, with initial practice of all procedures in the simulation clinic.

if someone is smart enough and has the drive to become a doctor I'm not going to question their motivation because it's not comprehensible to me

Oh ok cool, thanks for clarifying.

Yes it's totally true - physicians have to work longer hours to make the similar pay of dentists here in Australia. This is UNTIL they finish a fellowship (including general practice). GP's here can earn $300k, quite normally... on a 40-50 hour week schedule. Keep in mind, this would entail -3 years undergrad, 4 years med school, 1 year internship, 2-3 years (minimum) as a resident, then applying for the general practice fellowship exams, and completing that in approx 2-3 years.

A cousin of mine who is also my age (29) has just finished her general practice fellowship (she finished undergraduate-entry medicine that went for 6 years, where the cut-off for high school applicants was 99% lol). I'm still slaving away in dental school, but will get to that golden honey at the end one day too.



On a side note again:

Dental students have to learn all the basic life sciences that medical students also know (bar a few like psychiatry, obs and gyn etc). Why? The mouth is connected to the body...surprisingly to a few of you... and there are instances where dentists may get a complex patient who for instance may have infectious endocarditis, be on medication such as warfarin (anti-coagulants) etc... have high blood pressure and so on. You simplydo notjust "clean their teeth for them".

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Check out this doctor's tax return.... from here in Australia.






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Just lmao @ comparing doctors with teachers. What am I seeing here...[/QUOTE]Australian money = Monopoly money = Worthless

Teachers nowadays probably do similar hours if not more.

This

How is Australian money "worthless"?

Is it because you'll never make 7 figures let alone HALF of what that doctors earns, that spurned on your retarded comment?

With currency conversion, the doctor who made $1.1 million (AUD) would be the equivalent of $835,000 U.S.D





Edit: Sig - Vancouver?

The Aussie dollar is essentially on par with the Canadian dollar too

Still butthurt? lmao

Your life = worthless.

Aus med brah here.
Is this guy solely in private practice? How can he be making that much money given that a consultant's salary is ~350k including bonuses, even if you factor in some private practice he can't possibly be making 1.1mill
How much of that tax can an accountant/lawyer get back?

I'm not sure, but he is a medical specialist.

Yes, you're right generally about consultant salaries. The figure you report seems to be the pay for a consultant doctor in the public system. However keep in mind that there are anaesthetists, surgeons etc who are earning $500k-$1 million in Australia...

dude stop. no one will ever respect dentists no matter how much they make. also, you live in australia, one of the most potato countries in the world. that isn't living at all.

that's true. which uni you at man?

This lmao, but if an infographic says it, it must be true

Our system is geared towards giving people cancer then milking them for all the money\inheritance that they have.
At the forefront are doctors in nice white robes that get bonuses for selling you Chemo, the number one treatment for cancer... yet there are no public statistics showing the survival rates of cancer patience after 5 and 7 years... why, because most people die from the radiation received in Chemo.

Making people retarded with mind altering drugs are other sources of bonuses rewarded by the system.

Doctors are easily coherence into these practices because after all the schooling and debt, they make less then school teachers as stated.

Yes, that's why dentistry is one of the most prestigious careers one could enter, and is regarded as one of the "noble professions" such as law and medicine. Requires a very high attention to detail, sacrifice (much like medicine), work ethic, discipline, extra-curriculars and excellent academics.I have an ORTHOPAEDIC SURGEON in my class who wants to be a dentist instead

Australia, one of the most "potato countries"?? Were you even born near powerlines? Anyway, is this why so many immigrants are coming here each year, to the land of "milk and honey"? And is that why the standard of living here is one of the best in the world, with several capital cities consistently ranking in the TOP 10 CITIES (Melbourne was ranked 1st) to live in worldwide, each year?

Poor trolling attempt. It's okay, someone might love you someday, even though you're a bitter loser who will never achieve anything notable in life, except jacking off frequently to your "girlfriend" whose surname ends in ".jpeg". Just because others work hard for success doesn't mean you have to be bitter and resentful about it.

I'm doing my 5th degree now. Probably more qualifications than your family combined. What do you do, peasant?





The University of Sydney.... ranked ~37th in the world (for dentistry), and ~45th in the world as a university.Makes me pretty damn proud of the years of hard work I've put in to achieve this dream.

http://sydney.edu.au/about-us/our-world-rankings.html

Sydney Medical School is the TOP ranked medical school in Australia, and ranked 17th in the world.

Teacher checking in,

there is some awful math going on in those graphics, but in the early years , up till about 40, if Your parents aren't paying for med school , I can see how that debt interest sucks away money early, but after 45 years old the $$$ will be 5 or 6 times my $60k a year salary.

But i will say my stress level is ultra low for the majority of the year. i work right at 190 days a year, compare to the business world you'd be working 250 days a year+ whatever vacation you have, if you are even able to take it and relax w/o worrying about BS you're getting behind on.

Overall--- agreed, some Jealous high school math teacher made this

That's definitely not representative of the majority of doctors. Teaching is poverty, everybody knows this. In terms of medicine though, 200k/yr doesn't buy you an MTV Cribs lifestyle especially when you have dat dere medschool to pay off.

During football/ coaching season, yes. i work 11 hours or so a day.

but any teachers who haven't figured out how to work smart, they're doing it wrong. We ain't getting paid enough for me to work 6+ hours on the weekend grading and doing nonsense.... yikes.

Middle school kids just throw away all the papers you grade. and with 145 kids, fuk that

not reading that sh!t

[QUOTE=Ashfrolicious post_id=1460824173]Yes, that's why dentistry is one of the most prestigious careers one could enter, and is regarded as one of the "noble professions" such as law and medicine. Requires a very high attention to detail, sacrifice (much like medicine), work ethic, discipline, extra-curriculars and excellent academics.[b]I have an ORTHOPAEDIC SURGEON in my class who wants to be a dentist instead[/b]

Australia, one of the most "potato countries"?? Were you even born near powerlines? Anyway, is this why so many immigrants are coming here each year, to the land of "milk and honey"? And is that why the standard of living here is one of the best in the world, with several capital cities consistently ranking in the TOP 10 CITIES (Melbourne was ranked 1st) to live in worldwide, each year?

Poor trolling attempt. It's okay, someone might love you someday, even though you're a bitter loser who will never achieve anything notable in life, except jacking off frequently to your "girlfriend" whose surname ends in ".jpeg". Just because others work hard for success doesn't mean you have to be bitter and resentful about it.

I'm doing my 5th degree now. Probably more qualifications than your family combined. What do you do, peasant?



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The University of Sydney.... ranked ~37th in the world (for dentistry), and ~45th in the world as a university.[/b]Makes me pretty damn proud of the years of hard work I've put in to achieve this dream.

[URL=http://sydney.edu.au/about-us/our-world-rankings.html]http://sydney.edu.au/about-us/our-world-rankings.html[/URL]

[b]Sydney Medical School is the TOP ranked medical school in Australia, and ranked 17th in the world.[/b][/QUOTE]Not that I've disagreed with anything you said so far, but just wondering why are you so worked up over this? The thread is obviously roll bread by a terrible troll or bullchit by some idiot not even worth addressing lol

So much wrong with this analysis, not even getting into it.

Stopped reading where it put teachers Pensions into income and wages and did not consider any type of retirement accounts physicians get on top of their salaries.

Whole thing is skewed, not to mention the top fields of physicians--Ortho, Derm, OB, even Urology, Card/Thor surgery, etc makes well above 200k per year.


The titled would be better off at least acknowledging it was for prim care/hospitalist/intern med, etc.

The Aussie dollar was actually worth more than the USD back in 2012

If it sounds to good to be true then it probably is, so I'm sure there's more to that assessment.

once again, no one cares at all about scam artist dentists. in addition, i'm sure you probably got where you are because you are black. i could become a neurosurgeon with a 3.0 GPA and chitty MCAT score if i were black.

again, no one cares about australia at all. the only thing you guys have worthwhile to check out are a stupid music hall and the great barrier reef. that's it.