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Thread: Just another incident of a cop shooting someones dog......

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Originally Posted By Benihanas⏩
dingdingding...

I've given up brah but this here's a winner
no its not because once again you are missing the big picture as ive explained before, cops use deadly force to stop from being seriously injured or death, a dog is more than capable of serious bodily injury, other means, such as baton, pepper spray, taser etc are all means to stop a HUMAN whos behavior is aggressive but has not risen to the level of SBI or death. A cop has no way to restrain a dodge without risking serious bodily injury as those other means are not effective against animals as they are humans. So to stop the threat of serious bodily injury the cops ONLY resort was too shoot. the question was specifically asked to ME what i would do in that scenario and I answered it, my answer does not cover every single 1m other officers in the US
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Originally Posted By sclimb⏩
And we're back to this: What if you have no experience with animals?

You have no experience with crocodiles. What would you do if someone's pet alligator walked out of the house and started snarling (barking) at you?

I bet 100% you'd shoot it. How is that any different than this situation?
first, i'd zig and zag because crocs are fast, but they can't turn well. Assuming I escaped, I'd report it because that's illegal. but I wouldn't shoot it unless it was actively chasing me and I couldn't escape it, but that's also because alligators are not known to be companions, and have much more killing power than a dog.


see how it's a different situation?

see my previous post for why it doesn't matter how much experience you have with animals.
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Originally Posted By Zackad⏩
so because of your own ignorance and lack of empathy, others should pay for it? not to mention that cops regularly workwith dogs, so it's not unreasonable to expect them to have some understanding of dog psychology/behavior.
Animals, yes. People, no. That's the difference between animals and human rights. Animals lives aren't worth ****. You ****ing eat them factory farmed LOL.

I bet that pork you had loved living too obese to walk in a cage too small to roll over having feces and urine dropped onto its head from the cages above it. Having its children stolen from it after birth and beaten on for fun daily by minimum wage workers. Its husband/ wife chosen by arrangement and then slaughtered. Right before it had a chainsaw put through its neck so you could eat it even though you could just eat soybeans for protein. Such empathy you have! Lol
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Originally Posted By sclimb⏩
So now every cop has to take dog classes?
please see my last two posts. it's pretty common knowledge that cops work with dogs, don't try to make excuses for them.
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Originally Posted By sclimb⏩
Animals, yes. People, no. That's the difference between animals and human rights. Animals lives aren't worth ****. You ****ing eat them factory farmed LOL.
what exactly are you saying? and why did you bold "with dogs"

and what are you saying animals, yes, people, no to?

and if that were the case, then people wouldn't be jailed or even punished for shooting a police dog. can't have it both ways
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Originally Posted By sclimb⏩
So now every cop has to take dog classes?
There should be a component of officer's training that teaches them behavioral traits and how to handle domestic animals. Why is that so unbelievable? Millions of homes have dogs and cats. Millions of people leave their dogs outside in the yard while they're not home. Statistically a cop is virtually guaranteed to be presented with situation in which they have to deal with domesticated animal, whether loose or secured. What exactly did you miss about my previous statement? This should absolutely be a component of their training. These are pets. Not pigs or wolves or wild animals.
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Originally Posted By Zackad⏩
you're saying that like every single scenario a cop gets into is going to be the exact same, and thus warrants the exact same response. Which means those "thousand of hours training" is literally just to be able to shoot a gun. which is literally what you said. so is the sole purpose of a cop to either keep the peace or kill sht?

lol you're making yourself look really, really, painfully dumb.



the fact the first cop did not need to pull his gun on the dog proves immediately that the shooting was not justified, or else both cops would have felt equally threatened.



so because of your own ignorance and lack of empathy, others should pay for it? not to mention that cops regularly workwith dogs, so it's not unreasonable to expect them to have some understanding of dog psychology/behavior.

lol @ equating an animal that's been domesticated for thousands of years to a wild animal much heavier and more dangerous, that will actively hunt and kill humans if given the chance.

And if I was in the woods with a shotgun, i would give that boar a chance to turn away. and if he didnt, then yes I would shoot him. Just like I would do my best to shoot a dog that was latched onto my arm/leg. But I wouldn't go to the dog park and just start shooting all the dogs that are barking at me through the fence, or the ones who run up to say hi to me when I enter...
just lmao at this, no the other cops reaction, or lack of reaction does not invalidate the shooting. Please stop trying to say what police can and cant do its pathetic

No cops do not regularly work with dogs, a select few are given trained dogs and handle them but you can not apply that to every cop. Ive never once said every scenario is the same right now you are simply spewing bull****
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Originally Posted By Benihanas⏩
There should be a component of officer's training that teaches them behavioral traits and how to handle domestic animals. Why is that so unbelievable? Millions of homes have dogs and cats. Millions of people leave their dogs outside in the yard while they're not home. Statistically a cop is virtually guaranteed to be presented with situation in which they have to deal with domesticated animal, whether loose or secured. What exactly did you miss about my previous statement? This should absolutely be a component of their training. These are pets. Not pigs or wolves or wild animals.
just lmao



No


Im done trying to educate you all, its clear that this shooting will be justified and will be cleared as such. Im done
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Originally Posted By sclimb⏩
Animals, yes. People, no. That's the difference between animals and human rights. Animals lives aren't worth ****. You ****ing eat them factory farmed LOL.

I bet that pork you had loved living too obese to walk in a cage too small to roll over having feces and urine dropped onto its head from the cages above it. Having its children stolen from it after birth and beaten on for fun daily by minimum wage workers. Right before it had a chainsaw put through its neck so you could eat it even though you could just eat soybeans for protein. Such empathy you have! Lol
The lack of distinction between pet and food is just as egregious as the lack of distinction between suspect/threat and citizen. You have the chittiest logic when it comes to classification and distinction.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
just lmao



No


Im done trying to educate you all, its clear that this shooting will be justified and will be cleared as such. Im done
You're right, silly me, cops shouldn't be educated on the scenarios they might be faced with, they should just be given free license to kill whenever they feel like it. My bad.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
most postal workers dont carry guns retard...
Here he comes with the cliche dissenting opinion.

You think that if postal workers living in a state where they can carry would be able to get away with shooting pets at the same frequency as cops?
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Originally Posted By Zackad⏩
what exactly are you saying? and why did you bold "with dogs"

and what are you saying animals, yes, people, no to?

and if that were the case, then people wouldn't be jailed or even punished for shooting a police dog. can't have it both ways
I bet that pork you had loved living too obese to walk in a cage too small to roll over having feces and urine dropped onto its head from the cages above it. Having its children stolen from it after birth and beaten on for fun daily by minimum wage workers. Its husband/ wife chosen by arrangement and then slaughtered. Right before it had a chainsaw put through its neck so you could eat it even though you could just eat soybeans for protein. Such empathy you have! Lol
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
just lmao at this, no the other cops reaction, or lack of reaction does not invalidate the shooting. Please stop trying to say what police can and cant do its pathetic

No cops do not regularly work with dogs, a select few are given trained dogs and handle them but you can not apply that to every cop. Ive never once said every scenario is the same right now you are simply spewing bull****
sorry, let me reword that.

The first cops reaction proves the shooting was notobjectivelyjustified. i'm sure the second cop justified it somehow to himself. And if it was objectively justified, then the first cop either wasn't paying attention or didn't care. so one of them should be losing their job...

let me reword the second point to. Cops regularlyencounterdogs. if you're too stupid to be able to undrstand and deal with one of the most common pets in the world, perhaps you should find a line of work that does not involve you dealing with questionable and suspect characters
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Originally Posted By Benihanas⏩
You're right, silly me, cops shouldn't be educated on the scenarios they might be faced with, they should just be given free license to kill whenever they feel like it. My bad.
they are, heres the training

if a dog is aggressive you shoot it

theres no dog psychology classes...smh
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Originally Posted By Benihanas⏩
There should be a component of officer's training that teaches them behavioral traits and how to handle domestic animals. Why is that so unbelievable? Millions of homes have dogs and cats. Millions of people leave their dogs outside in the yard while they're not home. Statistically a cop is virtually guaranteed to be presented with situation in which they have to deal with domesticated animal, whether loose or secured. What exactly did you miss about my previous statement? This should absolutely be a component of their training. These are pets. Not pigs or wolves or wild animals.
If you start mandating that cops take classes for everything down to dog classes, you're going to have to require a PhD amount of coursework for smalltown policing.....
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Originally Posted By sclimb⏩
I bet that pork you had loved living too obese to walk in a cage too small to roll over having feces and urine dropped onto its head from the cages above it. Having its children stolen from it after birth and beaten on for fun daily by minimum wage workers. Its husband/ wife chosen by arrangement and then slaughtered. Right before it had a chainsaw put through its neck so you could eat it even though you could just eat soybeans for protein. Such empathy you have! Lol
lol you must be a vegan, considering this entire thread had nothing to do with what anyone eats until you came in here. mind=blown you made it to 28 years old with your level of intelligence.

also, strong misdirection not answering the questions because you clearly know you're fukin stupid
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Originally Posted By sclimb⏩
So now every cop has to take dog classes?
If ignorance is the only requirement that cops need to have in regards to animal behavior, then they can stop using K9's.

Cops should be trained for any situation that could occur on a daily basis. If they can't comprehend how to handle this every day situation they shouldn't be a ****ing cop.

I cannot understand why we shouldn't hold those that protect and serve to a higher ****ing standard.
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Originally Posted By Zackad⏩
sorry, let me reword that.

The first cops reaction proves the shooting was notobjectivelyjustified. i'm sure the second cop justified it somehow to himself. And if it was objectively justified, then the first cop either wasn't paying attention or didn't care. so one of them should be losing their job...

let me reword the second point to. Cops regularlyencounterdogs. if you're too stupid to be able to undrstand and deal with one of the most common pets in the world, perhaps you should find a line of work that does not involve you dealing with questionable and suspect characters
sure lets blame the cops when an owner cant control their dog and it charges the cops, why not we blame the cops for every other idiotic thing in this world. lmfao. you are the one trying to justify why its not a good shooting. I dont have to justify anything the system will do it for me. Also having the law on my side of the argument helps...
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Originally Posted By Benihanas⏩
The lack of distinction between pet and food is just as egregious as the lack of distinction between suspect/threat and citizen. You have the chittiest logic when it comes to classification and distinction.
How do you decide which animal is a pet and which is a food source? Arbitrarily, that's how. Which is why, when talking about empathy, which we specifically were, it's an arbitrary distinction.

I was accused by that other guy of having no empathy. I guess I don't. Neither do you and neither does he.
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Originally Posted By Griggz⏩
If ignorance is the only requirement that cops need to have in regards to animal behavior, then they can stop using K9's.

Cops should be trained for any situation that could occur on a daily basis. If they can't comprehend how to handle this every day situation they shouldn't be a ****ing cop.

I cannot understand why we shouldn't hold those that protect and serve to a higher ****ing standard.
they are held to a standard you simply lack the knowledge of the situation to understand what that standard of training is
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
they are, heres the training

if a dog is aggressive you shoot it

theres no dog psychology classes...smh
Originally Posted By sclimb⏩
If you start mandating that cops take classes for everything down to dog classes, you're going to have to require a PhD amount of coursework for smalltown policing.....
You don't have to take a semester long class to understand canine behavior. How simplistic are you idiots? Do they train you on approaching different environments? Different SOPs per environment? How is this any different? No one's asking for a PhD in animal psychology or anything like that, I'm stating it should be a component of their training to understand the environments they will be placed in. But no, that doesn't seem logical to you, just giving them free reign to shoot living things whenever they feel like it seems like the smartest and most logical way to conduct law enforcement.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
they are held to a standard you simply lack the knowledge of the situation to understand what that standard of training is
That standard is pretty fukn low when you hide behind over-encompassing semantic language to justify the use of deadly force.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
sure lets blame the cops when an owner cant control their dog and it charges the cops, why not we blame the cops for every other idiotic thing in this world. lmfao. you are the one trying to justify why its not a good shooting. I dont have to justify anything the system will do it for me. Also having the law on my side of the argument helps...
I already agreed with you that the owner should have secured her dog before even opening the door, so stop hanging on for dear life to the one point you've been right about, and address all the other blatantly alarming arguments you are making here.

I don't need to justify that this shooting is wrong, I guarantee you countless others will agree with me. more than the people who will agree it is justified. I'm not blaming the cop for the dog coming outside the house, no one is. I'm simply saying that he did not need to use the level of force he did.

Strong putting words into other's mouth. You sound like the biggest pussy, not willing to form your own opinions and just hiding behind the law.
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Originally Posted By Benihanas⏩
You don't have to take a semester long class to understand canine behavior. How simplistic are you idiots? Do they train you on approaching different environments? Different SOPs per environment? How is this any different? No one's asking for a PhD in animal psychology or anything like that, I'm stating it should be a component of their training to understand the environments they will be placed in. But no, that doesn't seem logical to you, just giving them free reign to shoot living things whenever they feel like it seems like the smartest and most logical way to conduct law enforcement.
no amount of training or psycho analysing dog behavior will stop an aggressive dog charge. Nor will it combat muscle memory or lag time... Cop probably didnt even realize he shot until it was over
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Originally Posted By sclimb⏩
How do you decide which animal is a pet and which is a food source? Arbitrarily, that's how. Which is why, when talking about empathy, which we specifically were, it's an arbitrary distinction.

I was accused by that other guy of having no empathy. I guess I don't. Neither do you and neither does he.
why are we talking about food sources? stop trying to redirect this conversation to somewhere it doesn't belong you dunce

I would be just as upset if it was a pig he'd shot, or a cat, or a cow, or any other animal that is not normally dangerous.

No guessing about it, you have no empathy if you believe animal lives don't mean sht, which is what you said word for word. And then you go on to post about how cruel factory farming is?

lol sit down and eat your fukin applesauce, since apparently you have the thought process and maturity of a toddler
Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
no amount of training or psycho analysing dog behavior will stop an aggressive dog charge. Nor will it combat muscle memory or lag time... Cop probably didnt even realize he shot until it was over
while that may be true, there are many varying amounts of knowledge that will help you distinguish an aggressive dog from a non-aggressive dog.

I don't believe your second sentence could be true, because it seemed he was ready to shoot before the dog even started coming for him. but that's just my analysis of the situation
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So now every cop has to take dog classes?
In Texas they do.
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In Texas they do.
ayyy lmao

now stfu and gtfo sclimb
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Originally Posted By Zackad⏩
I already agreed with you that the owner should have secured her dog before even opening the door, so stop hanging on for dear life to the one point you've been right about, and address all the other blatantly alarming arguments you are making here.

I don't need to justify that this shooting is wrong, I guarantee you countless others will agree with me. more than the people who will agree it is justified. I'm not blaming the cop for the dog coming outside the house, no one is. I'm simply saying that he did not need to use the level of force he did.

Strong putting words into other's mouth. You sound like the biggest pussy, not willing to form your own opinions and just hiding behind the law.
it doesnt matter if others agree with you, it only matters that the law agrees with me, thats what police work is, its a dirty job but cops do it and they do it within the peramitors of the law. This was a justified shooting because it was legally lawful for him to do it. You have no argument against that, you can say whatever bullchit you want about dog behavior and blah blah blah the ONLT thing that matters is the dog was aggressive, he charged the officer ajd the officer was afraid of serious bodily injury from the dog. Nothing else matters
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Why does everyone want big aggressive dogs? Is it like a small dik complex?

I got a fat Beagle who would sniff and lick anyone who walked in my house lawl
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
it doesnt matter if others agree with you, it only matters that the law agrees with me, thats what police work is, its a dirty job but cops do it and they do it within the peramitors of the law. This was a justified shooting because it was legally lawful for him to do it. You have no argument against that, you can say whatever bullchit you want about dog behavior and blah blah blah the ONLT thing that matters is the dog was aggressive, he charged the officer ajd the officer was afraid of serious bodily injury from the dog. Nothing else matters
well then i guess all we can do is agree to disagree about the laws then. We were debating whether the shooting is justified, but if we're debating about whether it was within the parameters of the law....it's adifferent story

you would have saved yourself a lot of time and embarrassment if you had posted that first
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