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Thread: Dude in truck was on cell phone and accidentally killed 4 people

post 1469217981 11-02-2016, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted By GimpManlet⏩
Here's my take on it.

1) The guy did not have any criminal intent
BS. He had intent to commit a crime. He did not intend for the highly forseeable consequences of this crime to come to fruition. He didn't intend to kill people, but he did intend to commit a crime that is one because of the risk it carries for killing people.
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It's confirmed that half the misc has not watched law abiding citizen
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Originally Posted By muscle
brb drunk driver kills someone...eh what the hell, send him to AA meetings and let him roam free

brb ******* falls asleep at the wheel and kills someone...eh what the hell, give him a sleep medicine referral and let him roam free

brb ******* in a fukin DIESEL TRUCK disregards the safety of others for a long period of time and kills 4 people, ruins 4 families, and is an all around piece of chit...what the hell, tell him to be careful with his cell phone next time and let him roam free
I truly think it's because we're so in love with our phones and our cars that we can empathize. We can imagine making the same "mistake"... maybe one time. Whereas when people hear about some accidental shooting or worse an intentional one they immediately freak out like "ban the gun no one needs those!".

I would argue we don't NEED cars and we sure as hell don't need to be talking on a phone or using a computer while driving a car. No one wants to look @ the raw #'s or is even slightly outraged... in fact they are extremely tolerant. All because we are, as a society, in love with this technology.

INB4 "I need a car for ____".
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
2.5 years per life seems miniscule.
It is actually a great sentence & being such a high profile case as it was the lead story on all the news channels it will hopefully deter drivers. Most people who cause death by dangerous driving over here usually get away with either a short jail term & a fine or sometimes just a suspended sentence & community service. Bearing in mind people who arm themselves & kill somebody in a targeted attack often will get 15 years or less. About time they made it a mandatory minimum of 10 years with the judge having the option to make it longer.
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I would do unspeakable things to that scumbag who took four lives.

TLDR: I'd end his life.
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Originally Posted By ropadope⏩
I bet nearly everyone asking for the death sentence (which we don't even have in the UK lol) or who are pleased with the 10 year sentence has themselves taken their eye off the road in the past to check their phone or change the radio station.

The guy was just unlucky. He didn't mean to kill anyone.He's probably devastated and has to live with the fact that he killed 4 people for the rest of his life. The 10 year jail sentence is just a poorly thought out attempt at 'deterrence' and a need for vengeance because he killed young people. Yet right now on the road I can guarantee there are people doing the exact same thing he did, some probably to a worse extent, who will never be punished because they are lucky enough to not be in the wrong place at the wrong time while being distracted.
No. Someone whose car suddenly malfunctions and accidentally kills four people because of it is *just* unlucky.

This guy was unlucky that his choice to commit a dangerous crime actually had the expected consequences, the ones that make what he did a crime in the first place. All of his bad luck flowed as a consequence of his criminal intent.

Yes, many more will get away with acting on their criminal intent because they have an extra stroke of luck. That doesn't minimise what he did - what he chose to do.
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Originally Posted By YIAMSOMEBODY⏩
Lol, guaranteed you wouldn't be screaming below 5 years if it was your mother, sister, brother or someone of importance that was killed here. I can 100% guarantee it. You'd want to kill him yourself or DEMAND he face the highest possible sentence imaginable. Let's call it for what it really is.
How is that relevant?

He is making a decision with a clear head rather than while he is blinded by anger and sadness. The judgment of people in their most irrational state of mind should not be seriously considered. Why are you aiming to have legal issues framed in the most emotional way possible? Why do you think so much effort goes in to picking a fair jury (least biased)? Angry families calling for the maximum punishment because they were wronged ought to be mostly ignored in any legitimate legal system. The ultimate question is, "What is the most reasonable and sensible legal action that can be taken against him?" not "How would I want to punish him if it happened to me?"
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Originally Posted By badlasagna⏩
speechless @ these "wasn't intentional" arguments.
Some don't understand that it's not a binary "intended to kill people" vs "didn't intend to kill people". There's other things that you can intend to do - such as things that are criminally negligent.
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Originally Posted By TrueForester⏩
If you drink/text/sleep while driving you are making a conscious decision to endanger others. Your life should be ruined 100%.
This. Every ******* who decides it's okay to drive while drunk/distracted may as well be waving a gun around firing at random. They are making a deliberate choice to endanger others lives and the penalties should be incredibly severe.

He made a concious decision to do something dangerous to others. Tons of people do it and they should all face severe penalties for doing so. It needs to be made incredibly clear that an action as seemingly minuscule as looking at the phone while driving is far more dangerous than it seems.
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Originally Posted By Penile_Dementia⏩
No. Someone whose car suddenly malfunctions and accidentally kills four people because of it is *just* unlucky.

This guy was unlucky that his choice to commit a dangerous crime actually had the expected consequences, the ones that make what he did a crime in the first place. All of his bad luck flowed as a consequence of his criminal intent.

Yes, many more will get away with acting on their criminal intent because they have an extra stroke of luck. That doesn't minimise what he did - what he chose to do.
Really annoys me that the police & media always use the term accident when actual road accidents are very rare. The overwhelming majority of cases are excess speeds, not driving to the weather/road conditions, driving while under the influence of drink, drugs or prescription medication that they know makes them drowsy, driving without enough sleep, pissing around with phones, make-up, music systems etc, not wearing seat belts, driving on the wrong side of the roaf/goingthe wrong way on the motorway, not maintaining your vehicle properly-driving on bald tires etc. The actual incidences of a genuine accident such as an animal running on the road with no time to react, somebody having a fit at the wheel etc are pretty low.
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Originally Posted By Kormo⏩
A teen girl that does this would get probation
yup, seen this happen here. Girl was texting and driving and ran over a cyclist who was in the bike lane. She got only probation. The dudes family was pissed.
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Originally Posted By jimbob007⏩
Really annoys me that the police & media always use the term accident when actual road accidents are very rare. The overwhelming majority of cases are excess speeds, not driving to the weather/road conditions, driving while under the influence of drink, drugs or prescription medication that they know makes them drowsy, driving without enough sleep, pissing around with phones, make-up, music systems etc, not wearing seat belts, driving on the wrong side of the roaf/goingthe wrong way on the motorway, not maintaining your vehicle properly-driving on bald tires etc. The actual incidences of a genuine accident such as an animal running on the road with no time to react, somebody having a fit at the wheel etc are pretty low.
Accident, at least as other people use the word, does not mean there was no neglect, or that the bad event was pure bad luck. These things are all widely defined as accidents, and many/most accidents are widely accepted as reasonably preventable - it's not a misnomer.
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
We often do things without thinking about potential consequences.

You could be driving a long and reach down for your drink, feel that it's not in the place you left it, then glance down, find that your drink was in cup holder 1 instead of cup holder 2, look back up and crash into someone.

You could be driving a long, hear your phone buzz, glance down at it and reply, then think "Oh yeah, I shouldn't be doing this, gonna stop right now", glance back up, and crash into someone.

With hindsight we all agree that we should always have all of our attention on the road. But a lot of the time in any situation we get momentarily distracted, it's not that we decide "Oh wait one sec, gonna decide to get distracted here, I know I shouldn't decide to get distracted, but i'm going to decide to get distracted anyway, 1 sec".
You can't hold him to the same standard as the general public for two reasons:

1. He is in a very large vehicle that that increases any potential consequences resulting from a collision.

2. He was WORKING. This is the man's job. This means that he is on the road more often and for longer periods of time than other drivers and consequently driving infractions pose a more frequent and greater risk when he perpetrates them (both because of his time spent on the road and the size of his vehicle). This would be like a chef that willingly disregards cleaning a cutting board he just used to prep raw chicken and which he is now using to prep raw vegetables to be served as is to a customer. When you are performing a job that contains potential, catastrophic consequences for other persons you MUST abide not only that job's protocols but also any laws governing conduct within that occupation aimed at saving lives and reducing risks.

The man had a JOB to do and he didn't do it right and it cost four people their lives. Unacceptable.
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25 years minimum. life in prison. max.

because he killled 3 children and a mother for gods sake...that chit is fuked up...
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Originally Posted By joecayse⏩
My friend (first girl I ever kissed, actually) was killed a few months ago by some bish in a truck. Elise (my friend) was riding a scooter, got rear-ended by Cortney (aforementioned bish), flung into oncoming traffic and run over by a car. Cortney kept driving, dragging Elise's scooter along for like half a mile before stopping and pulling it out from under the front bumper, then driving off again. She finally turned herself in, but looks like the charges only carry a 2 year sentence because they can't prove recklessness. Great lesson to be learned, if you accidentally kill someone because you were texting or drunk driving, drive off and turn yourself in later.

http://wkrn.com/2016/08/29/family-wo...trucks-damage/


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Dumb bish who killed her
and the fact she failed to show any remorse and lied...i want to kill her personally.

she knew she was dragging a body. stops and removes it then drives off. she's a fuking scum that needs to be executed.

please if theres a god, you'd fuking set up for her death right fuking now!!!! and she fuking dies while she's rotting in prison.

god damn chit making me rage.
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Also, thinking that there is no difference between what this guy did and what James Holmes did, is as big an error (and a similar error) as thinking that there is no difference between what this guy did and what a guy whose no-fault accident killed people did.

There is a difference between an innocent accident, criminal negligence, and premeditated murder. They all lie on different maps of intent, they all have different legal consequences, and they all have different risks for future behaviour.
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Originally Posted By GrampsBrah⏩
Just can't help themselves can they? Because British born drivers don't use phones in their vehicles of course.
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
The dude got 10 years in prison, now there's an argument on on ******** with people saying that the truck driver should have gotten more than 10 years in prison, some even suggesting he should get put to death.

What's your views?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37823457
It was an accident. What does locking this dude in a box for 10 years serve anybody? If he meant to do it sure, but a fukin accident?

I'd say he should get 2 years.

Nothing is going to change between 2 years and 10 years in prison.
Originally Posted By jimbob007⏩
Just can't help themselves can they? Because British born drivers don't use phones in their vehicles of course.
Naturally. Fukin foreigners!
Originally Posted By GaloisTheory⏩
How is that relevant?

He is making a decision with a clear head rather than while he is blinded by anger and sadness. The judgment of people in their most irrational state of mind should not be seriously considered. Why are you aiming to have legal issues framed in the most emotional way possible? Why do you think so much effort goes in to picking a fair jury (least biased)? Angry families calling for the maximum punishment because they were wronged ought to be mostly ignored in any legitimate legal system. The ultimate question is, "What is the most reasonable and sensible legal action that can be taken against him?" not "How would I want to punish him if it happened to me?"
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Originally Posted By EternaLovE⏩
25 years minimum. life in prison. max.

because he killled 3 children and a mother for gods sake...that chit is fuked up...
Who are you serving by doing this?

What changed between 10 years in prison and 25 years in prison that make it worth it? So you can think to yourself, "Good his life is ruined because of an accident that can happen to anyone" and then forget this guy ever even existed?
Belief without evidence is a fools game.

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i remember 15 years ago how much people would bitch about people talking on their phone and driving, and how it was so dangerous. literally no one cares if you talk and drive now. in 15 years no one will give a **** about texting and driving
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Death penalty?

Lol strong understanding of intentions
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Originally Posted By Deez
i remember 15 years ago how much people would bitch about people talking on their phone and driving, and how it was so dangerous. literally no one cares if you talk and drive now. in 15 years no one will give a **** about texting and driving
no.
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IMO if you intend to commit a crime (texting while driving) youshouldbe held completely liable for any consequences that resulted from that action regardless of your intent for that outcome.

Handing out strict sentences will serve as deterrence to those who might text and drive
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Originally Posted By ThisIsSceaming⏩
Death penalty?

Lol strong understanding of intentions
What do you mean intentions? The person was willing to follow through with a crime and put other peoples lives on the line. What if your mother or father was the person who was killed?
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Originally Posted By meremortal⏩
IMO if you intend to commit a crime (texting while driving) youshouldbe held completely liable for any consequences that resulted from that action regardless of your intent for that outcome.

Handing out strict sentences will serve as deterrence to those who might text and drive
Well that is a retardedly dangerous precedent.
Originally Posted By tranzz⏩
What do you mean intentions? The person was willing to follow through with a crime and put other peoples lives on the line. What if your mother or father was the person who was killed?
I would be livid someone dug up my dad just to run over him.

Why would you think, "But what if it was your family member!" would come into the evaluation of punishment. It's a justice system, not a vengeance system.

It's literally a non-point. I don't give a fuk whose family member it was, that is not a consideration when establishing punishments.

Someone rapes my gf I'd personally want to murder them. But as we all know, rape doesn't get the death penalty.

That's life son.
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well there was a case where a texting female got like 2 months....for hitting and killing like 2 people
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Originally Posted By Lawlstud⏩
Well that is a retardedly dangerous precedent.
There are places that have a similar rule for killings that occur during Burglary. An unarmed burglar doesn't intend for anyone's death but if his accomplice is killed while they are breaking and entering he can be charged with murder.
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Originally Posted By gunshow101⏩
lol bitter virgins know no bounds.
He's probably right though. A young crying female teens showing "remorse" would be enough to have a paltry sentence in most countries. My only problem is consistency in punishments. That and vehicle homicide when it's pure negligence needs harsher penalties. I also hate the sentiment people give "oh have that burden on him for the rest of his life is punishment enough" rofl, what a way to deattach yourself from that situation. Imagine you had a wife and kid coming home for your birthday and some fukhead on a phone kills them both? lol no, their "trauma" and "regret" doesn't even scratch the surface of what they should receive by the law, and they better hope they don't receive what I would do in that hypothetical situation. Too much of the population still think driving is some game, an activity to be treated lightly, and who gives a fuk if you learned your lesson after killing someone, too late, treat driving seriously before or suffer the consequences.

So 4 lives, 4 life times of events, highs/lows, decades of possibilities all extinguished, and this person gets to be out in 10 years? Yeah there's no guilt/lesson learned card that can justify their negligence ending 4 lives, sorry but they don't deserve to have the novelty of a happy life. It's easy to preach forgiveness if it's something that hasn't directly affected you. What's more disgusting his 10 years is actually considered "a lot" when I've heard of others killing multiple people serving like 1 year. Disgusting. If it's a clear case of negligence while controlling a weapon--yes a weapon--then you should be punished severely. "Oh it happened in a car, it's not the same" and people think like this.
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