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11-02-2016, 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted By Wisop⏩
I like that theory.There's a story (massively paraphrased) about a pilot who nearly crashed and died because someone hadn't fueled or connected the propeller on his plane properly or something. After he got back he found the technician that fukked it up who was clearly terrified, and asked him to prep his plane again tomorrow, because that guy's now the safest aircraft technician in the world.
Makes total sense, really does.
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I can't imagine how this guy must be feeling. I'm sitting here bitching about how cold it's gonna be in Sweden, and this guy is facing the fact that he killed 4 innocent people and is facing 10 years in prison. He'll probably only serve a fraction of that, but still.
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Here's my take on it.
1) The guy did not have any criminal intent, that alone should be enough to keep the prison sentence below 5 years IMO. A trucker who texts at the wheel and hits only a light post doesn't get 10 years, why should this guy? Because he was so unlucky to be coming up to a traffic jam while he was being a dumb ****?
2) Locking this guy up forever will not act as a deterrent. A much better deterrent would be to have large fines coupled with a significant chance of getting busted (e.g. use a driver cam that the cops can query).
3) A deterrent is not even such a great idea in this case. Everyone knows they shouldn't text at the wheel, they just don't think about the possible consequences. Information campaigns work much better in such cases. Make people aware of the responsibility they carry as a driver. Make them aware of the huge amounts of energy involved in driving. Make them aware that being distracted at the wheel is similar to holding your kid over the balcony railing.
1) The guy did not have any criminal intent, that alone should be enough to keep the prison sentence below 5 years IMO. A trucker who texts at the wheel and hits only a light post doesn't get 10 years, why should this guy? Because he was so unlucky to be coming up to a traffic jam while he was being a dumb ****?
2) Locking this guy up forever will not act as a deterrent. A much better deterrent would be to have large fines coupled with a significant chance of getting busted (e.g. use a driver cam that the cops can query).
3) A deterrent is not even such a great idea in this case. Everyone knows they shouldn't text at the wheel, they just don't think about the possible consequences. Information campaigns work much better in such cases. Make people aware of the responsibility they carry as a driver. Make them aware of the huge amounts of energy involved in driving. Make them aware that being distracted at the wheel is similar to holding your kid over the balcony railing.
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11-02-2016, 03:49 AM
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Teen Girl. /thread.10 years seems a bit much. In my town a few years ago, a teenage girl drove over an old man killing him while she was texting and driving. Didn't get any time.
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11-02-2016, 03:57 AM
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He'll probably commit suicide from all that guilt slowly tearing away at his mind & soul...
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I bet nearly everyone asking for the death sentence (which we don't even have in the UK lol) or who are pleased with the 10 year sentence has themselves taken their eye off the road in the past to check their phone or change the radio station.
The guy was just unlucky. He didn't mean to kill anyone. He's probably devastated and has to live with the fact that he killed 4 people for the rest of his life. The 10 year jail sentence is just a poorly thought out attempt at 'deterrence' and a need for vengeance because he killed young people. Yet right now on the road I can guarantee there are people doing the exact same thing he did, some probably to a worse extent, who will never be punished because they are lucky enough to not be in the wrong place at the wrong time while being distracted.
The guy was just unlucky. He didn't mean to kill anyone. He's probably devastated and has to live with the fact that he killed 4 people for the rest of his life. The 10 year jail sentence is just a poorly thought out attempt at 'deterrence' and a need for vengeance because he killed young people. Yet right now on the road I can guarantee there are people doing the exact same thing he did, some probably to a worse extent, who will never be punished because they are lucky enough to not be in the wrong place at the wrong time while being distracted.
11-02-2016, 04:13 AM
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If you crash your car into a pole while drinking/txting, you get a fine or maybe lose your license for a little bit. But if you get unlucky and that pole is a person, suddenly you go to jail for the rest of your life for performing the exact same actions
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Originally Posted By muscle
So much this. My friend was killed Saturday morning by a drunk driver, that just a couple weeks ago, completed her dui classes. How the fuk do you just finish courses and do the same fuking thing? And only get charged with manslaughter? She killed my friend and another guy...she consciously got behind that wheel, which makes it deliberate..just my opinion.brb drunk driver kills someone...eh what the hell, send him to AA meetings and let him roam free
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11-02-2016, 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted By Ed_Norton_fan⏩
Why is it so perplexing to comprehend that endangering/harming/killing another person (accidentally or intentionally) incurs a higher consequence than damaging a pole? It's hardly the "exact same action".If you crash your car into a pole while drinking/txting, you get a fine or maybe lose your license for a little bit. But if you get unlucky and that pole is a person, suddenly you go to jail for the rest of your life for performing the exact same actions
11-02-2016, 04:40 AM
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Another shining example of the ridiculous hypocrisy of the misc
Majority of you in here use your phone and drive so you're trying to justify your guilt
If this guy had been drunk and killed 4 people, every poster on the board would be calling for his head. Absolutely certain of it
Majority of you in here use your phone and drive so you're trying to justify your guilt
If this guy had been drunk and killed 4 people, every poster on the board would be calling for his head. Absolutely certain of it
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11-02-2016, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted By Ed_Norton_fan⏩
brb shooting a pole with a gone will not get you arrested which means its okay to shoot a human beingIf you crash your car into a pole while drinking/txting, you get a fine or maybe lose your license for a little bit. But if you get unlucky and that pole is a person, suddenly you go to jail for the rest of your life for performing the exact same actions
stupid fcking logic
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11-02-2016, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
only time ive used my phone while driving is to use google voice to make calls, texting requires too much concentration and you're basically blind for 5~ seconds which is huge.Another shining example of the ridiculous hypocrisy of the misc
Majority of you in here use your phone and drive so you're trying to justify your guilt
If this guy had been drunk and killed 4 people, every poster on the board would be calling for his head. Absolutely certain of it
Majority of you in here use your phone and drive so you're trying to justify your guilt
If this guy had been drunk and killed 4 people, every poster on the board would be calling for his head. Absolutely certain of it
ITT miscers that are criminals try and justify another criminal.
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11-02-2016, 04:49 AM
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11-02-2016, 04:50 AM
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People are just talking chit out of emotion.
Putting him to death for that will do no one any good. I'm sure after 10 years his lesson will be learned.
Would be different if he intentionally killed.
The purpose of the prison system is not satisfaction of revenge (or its not supposed to be anyway)
Putting him to death for that will do no one any good. I'm sure after 10 years his lesson will be learned.
Would be different if he intentionally killed.
The purpose of the prison system is not satisfaction of revenge (or its not supposed to be anyway)
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11-02-2016, 04:55 AM
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lmao. Read the comments at the bottom of this article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ten-years.html
you have to hand it to the Daily Mail, they really know how to rustle jimmies.
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11-02-2016, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted By Fortitudo⏩
It's the exact same action. You are driving home drunk and at some point you pass out and hit something. Most of the time it's a pole or a fence and on the rare occasion it is a person. But you did perform the exact same action to reach either outcome.Why is it so perplexing to comprehend that endangering/harming/killing another person (accidentally or intentionally) incurs a higher consequence than damaging a pole? It's hardly the "exact same action".
Originally Posted By TSBrah⏩
Actually it's fine logic.brb shooting a pole with a gone will not get you arrested which means its okay to shoot a human being
stupid fcking logic
stupid fcking logic
If you wake up and fire 3 random shots out your window, the penalty will be different if you hit a pole compared to hitting a random person walking by.
EXACT same action, different outcome, different punishment.
11-02-2016, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted By Woodyy⏩
On paper yes it is. It was only recently that "life = life" came to the UK pretty much equal to "life without the possibility of parole" however in these cases it is deemed it would take longer than 1 lifetime to reform this character therefore to protect the public they must be imprisoned for life. Again this came about recently and was hastily passed after a man was beheaded in the streets in broad daylight by 2 members of a certain peaceful religion.Prison isn't all about reforming someone's character though, otherwise there'd be no death penalty or life sentences.
Originally Posted By Ayudha⏩
Not with the UK justice system. The system hands out"Justice"and rehabilitation. There is no room in the justice system for: revenge/retribution/vengeance. The word punishment gets thrown around a lot but no sentence handed out is just a "punishment" In the traditional sence. The "punishment" is disposed to protect the public/change behaviour (rehab), punishment doesn't hold the exact same meaning in the justice system as in the general public (revenge).This ,sometimes it's just punishment.. he took 4 lives because he couldn't leave his fukin phone alone... 10yrs sounds about right
10 years a joke for being sentenced at a crown court though:
-4 counts of causing death by dangerous driving.
Min = 2 years Max = 14 years
-1 count of causing serious injury by dangerous driving.
Min = 6 months Max = 5 years
Consecutive Total
Total Min - 8 years + 6 months
Total Max - 61 years (life)
Concurrent Total
Min = 2 years
Max = 14 years
In general Guilty plea will earn you 1/3 reduction off sentencing*
He most likely received a maximum concurrent sentence or close to it with guilty plea reduction. I think where the real problem lies in the totality of the sentence whether consecutive or concurrent also the nature of ALL driving offences and how they are dealt with. 10 years feels low as fuk for 4 lifes taken however it feels long as fuk for learning not to use your phone while driving.
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speechless @ these "wasn't intentional" arguments.
brb Hitler just wanted to make Germany a better place he didn't mean to cause all that death. He didn't know what his subordinates were carrying out at the concentration camps he was distracted doing other things. I bet if we let him go scot free he would be a model peace advocate.
brb Stalin didn't know that there would be food shortages and millions of his citizens would die from famine, he didn't meant to do that, he wuz a good boi
bros u need to understand that willful negligence or ignorance does not completely absolve you of your actions and should recognize what a dangerous path that is to take.
brb Hitler just wanted to make Germany a better place he didn't mean to cause all that death. He didn't know what his subordinates were carrying out at the concentration camps he was distracted doing other things. I bet if we let him go scot free he would be a model peace advocate.
brb Stalin didn't know that there would be food shortages and millions of his citizens would die from famine, he didn't meant to do that, he wuz a good boi
bros u need to understand that willful negligence or ignorance does not completely absolve you of your actions and should recognize what a dangerous path that is to take.
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he deserves to be locked away for life. if that was someone i knew, i wouldve put a bullet in his ****ing head. complete lack of care for his and others life when doing that dumb ****.
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My friend (first girl I ever kissed, actually) was killed a few months ago by some bish in a truck. Elise (my friend) was riding a scooter, got rear-ended by Cortney (aforementioned bish), flung into oncoming traffic and run over by a car. Cortney kept driving, dragging Elise's scooter along for like half a mile before stopping and pulling it out from under the front bumper, then driving off again. She finally turned herself in, but looks like the charges only carry a 2 year sentence because they can't prove recklessness. Great lesson to be learned, if you accidentally kill someone because you were texting or drunk driving, drive off and turn yourself in later.
http://wkrn.com/2016/08/29/family-wo...trucks-damage/
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Originally Posted By GimpManlet⏩
Lol, guaranteed you wouldn't be screaming below 5 years if it was your mother, sister, brother or someone of importance that was killed here. I can 100% guarantee it. You'd want to kill him yourself or DEMAND he face the highest possible sentence imaginable. Let's call it for what it really is.Here's my take on it.
1) The guy did not have any criminal intent, that alone should be enough to keep the prison sentence below 5 years IMO. A trucker who texts at the wheel and hits only a light post doesn't get 10 years, why should this guy? Because he was so unlucky to be coming up to a traffic jam while he was being a dumb ****?
2) Locking this guy up forever will not act as a deterrent. A much better deterrent would be to have large fines coupled with a significant chance of getting busted (e.g. use a driver cam that the cops can query).
3) A deterrent is not even such a great idea in this case. Everyone knows they shouldn't text at the wheel, they just don't think about the possible consequences. Information campaigns work much better in such cases. Make people aware of the responsibility they carry as a driver. Make them aware of the huge amounts of energy involved in driving. Make them aware that being distracted at the wheel is similar to holding your kid over the balcony railing.
1) The guy did not have any criminal intent, that alone should be enough to keep the prison sentence below 5 years IMO. A trucker who texts at the wheel and hits only a light post doesn't get 10 years, why should this guy? Because he was so unlucky to be coming up to a traffic jam while he was being a dumb ****?
2) Locking this guy up forever will not act as a deterrent. A much better deterrent would be to have large fines coupled with a significant chance of getting busted (e.g. use a driver cam that the cops can query).
3) A deterrent is not even such a great idea in this case. Everyone knows they shouldn't text at the wheel, they just don't think about the possible consequences. Information campaigns work much better in such cases. Make people aware of the responsibility they carry as a driver. Make them aware of the huge amounts of energy involved in driving. Make them aware that being distracted at the wheel is similar to holding your kid over the balcony railing.
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The stupidity on the misc is absolutely mind blowing. Holy ****.
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Ten years is more than enough
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[QUOTE=joecayse post_id=1469214641]My friend (first girl I ever kissed, actually) was killed a few months ago by some bish in a truck. Elise (my friend) was riding a scooter, got rear-ended by Cortney (aforementioned bish), flung into oncoming traffic and run over by a car. Cortney kept driving, dragging Elise's scooter along for like half a mile before stopping and pulling it out from under the front bumper, then driving off again. She finally turned herself in, but looks like the charges only carry a 2 year sentence because they can't prove recklessness. Great lesson to be learned, if you accidentally kill someone because you were texting or drunk driving, drive off and turn yourself in later.
[URL=http://wkrn.com/2016/08/29/family-woman-accused-in-deadly-hit-and-run-lied-about-trucks-damage/]http://wkrn.com/2016/08/29/family-wo...trucks-damage/[/URL]
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Dumb bish who killed her[/QUOTE]she dragged her scooter for a half a mile before stopping and they cant prove recklessness??...that's fuked up
[URL=http://wkrn.com/2016/08/29/family-woman-accused-in-deadly-hit-and-run-lied-about-trucks-damage/]http://wkrn.com/2016/08/29/family-wo...trucks-damage/[/URL]
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[img]https://mgtvwkrn.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/cortneybarrett.jpg[img]
Dumb bish who killed her[/QUOTE]she dragged her scooter for a half a mile before stopping and they cant prove recklessness??...that's fuked up
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
2.5 years per life seems miniscule.The dude got 10 years in prison, now there's an argument on on ******** with people saying that the truck driver should have gotten more than 10 years in prison, some even suggesting he should get put to death.
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
Intentions are important - and that's why there's a huge difference between criminal negligence, and merely participating in a dangerous sport, making a dangerous meal because of an error that would not be reasonably suspected, or taking your eye off your child for a few seconds in a playground.With your logic though, it kinda goes like this -
Racing driver guy races against other racers (legal racing)
During the race his car touches another racers car by accident, spins them out, and kills them.
He was fully conscious that by racing this could happen
He deserves to go to prison
If you undercook food by a mistake, let's say your thermometer was broken and gave a misreading, you serve the food to someone, they get food poisoning. It's not like you intended to give that person food poisioning, infact you went out of your way, even used a food thermometer, had no reason to suspect it was broke, food looked right, etc...
Another example -
Mother is looking after her child in the playground, another parent talks to her, she briefly isn't watching what her child is doing, something happens to child. The mother consciously made a decision to speak to the other parent, she only looked away from her child for 5 seconds. Therefore she intended on her child getting hurt? Obviously not.
Intentions are the important thing here.
Racing driver guy races against other racers (legal racing)
During the race his car touches another racers car by accident, spins them out, and kills them.
He was fully conscious that by racing this could happen
He deserves to go to prison
If you undercook food by a mistake, let's say your thermometer was broken and gave a misreading, you serve the food to someone, they get food poisoning. It's not like you intended to give that person food poisioning, infact you went out of your way, even used a food thermometer, had no reason to suspect it was broke, food looked right, etc...
Another example -
Mother is looking after her child in the playground, another parent talks to her, she briefly isn't watching what her child is doing, something happens to child. The mother consciously made a decision to speak to the other parent, she only looked away from her child for 5 seconds. Therefore she intended on her child getting hurt? Obviously not.
Intentions are the important thing here.
Nobody agrees to be on the road with a truck driver texting for 10 seconds, but the truck driver chose to do such an action. That isn't part of the deal. His intentions were not death, but his intentions were criminally negligent. Whereas none of your examples are.
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Originally Posted By Ed_Norton_fan⏩
At this point you're just rambling in circles. What point are you trying to make? Crashing into an inanimate object and a human should incur the same punishment?It's the exact same action. You are driving home drunk and at some point you pass out and hit something. Most of the time it's a pole or a fence and on the rare occasion it is a person. But you did perform the exact same action to reach either outcome.
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