i remember working home depot 40 hrs a week in my early 20s living w roomates etc.. I never had hope of buying a new car or any upwards mobility.. so many jobs just suck your time and doom u to shopping at walmart until a big problem happens then u could b ruined..

What do you consider a decent job? 60K? 80K? 100K?

There are a lot of kids who have to work since they're 16 just to buy shoes and help with the rent. A few of those kids can and do make it, plenty more don't. If you don't understand this you just haven't experienced poverty.

Just to clarify this is not about race but it is about age and it is about class. When you go to a chitty inner city school with 60-70 people per classroom, haven't had anything to eat other than fukin McD every day your chances to be motivated to succeed are much less than someone who has 30 kids per class, better teachers, educated parents, educated extended family, crime-free community, etc. etc.

So to answer your question, there is nothing preventing someone to succeed in the ABSOLUTE sense, but there are many factors that limit the chances of a certain segment of the population versus others. You can't argue against a systematic issue by saying, hey if I take 1 sample out of this population and they can have an amazing job, then every sample of the population has the same chance.

It's the harsh reality of any society: there are winner and there are losers. There certainly are many factors that are very significant indicators of which segment you will belong to, although, as with any general statement there are exceptions.

I dont understand, everyone can pursue training and education for a better job. If that fails, and they still cant get work thats a different story

It's really pathetic. Get an education. Gain valuable skills. Save your money. Get a better job.

In other words, stop expecting high paying jobs in factories that machines can do. Stop working on farms. Leave your chit, sorrowful, pathetic small towns and move to the cities to compete with educated people like myself for a job.

Oh wait, the misc only wants to talk about the inner city and their unwillingness to adapt and change.

Carry on

No money? take out a loan like most people do

I know people right now working FULL TIME and doing degrees online. why is that not possible for anyone willing? Doesn't have to be stem, different types of jobs are in demand and pay well

http://advice.careerbuilder.com/post...-jobs-for-2016

Because there aren't enough jobs.

Just parasites who wouldn't be alive today if they were born 100 years agoMaybe it's just genetics. Their parents were losers who made poor decisions so that all they will ever be

great post, reps on r/c

and by decent job, I would say one that allows for at least basic financial security. Not total minimum wage pay check to pay check. so probably varies depending on where you live

Let's not forget that wages are lower than what they were 20 years ago despite everything else being so expensive. I've seen the lazy side of it but that's only part of it.

this is a fact, but it just means people should have even greater incentive to pursue the training and education necessary for a better job.

What, into an ENTRY level program/job? No, maybe 30 tops, but no further.

Oh and if you go bald you have even less time.

People are too lazy to work hard and are too stupid to budget money. I bet those same are driving vehicles out of their price range, have the newest IPHONE, a big screen TV, XBOX, PS4, etc. It really is quite simple. People live beyond their means. Don't know how to budget money. And buy things they want rather then things they need. People are basically financial retards.



As for unemployment a large portion of people are either unwilling to move for employment or have no viable skills worthy of employment. A lot of people on this planet are fairly worthless in terms of skills/intelligence. Ask ANYONE who manages a fast food place, hotel, gas station or restaurant what the biggest staffing challenge is and they'll tell you its getting a reliable employee that will consistently come to work.





I graduated college debt free. From 18-20 I worked full time manual labor. Usually about 6 days a week (Sometimes 7). For around 10 hours a day on average. I saved the majority of my money. Stayed in a camper with 3 other friends. Worked in numerous cities/states. Etc. When I started college I worked part time. On weekends and evenings I cut grass/did lawn work. At night time I did janitorial work in offices.


Guess what? I didn't qualify for grants/scholarships. Daddy didn't hand me anything. The federal government didn't hand me anything. I graduated debt free. My sister was a little bit smarter then I. She spent 6 years in college on a full ride with grants/scholarships. Furthermore since she budgeted money so well she didn't even work during school semesters and only worked summers. I know ton's of people that graduated debt free. They all had a few things in common. They were either athletes or smart enough to get scholarships. Or they worked their azzes off before and during college.





Anyone who can't afford to go to college needs to evaluate their priorities. And parents who can't pay for their childrens college should likely start teaching them from a young age how to save money for college & budget money they earn.

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Great post brah, thanks.

For me the theme is, it's really hard if you're poor to better yourself but that doesn't mean it's not possible or that the system is to blame. It's hard hard work and sacrifice and most people are not doing what is necessary to improve the situation. Which is not easy by any means, but you need to still try before you can complain.

the discrimination against older workers is very real, but how in hell do you combat that?

not everyone can afford to quit working and pay like 30 grand, while paying their own rent and bills. to go to school or w/e.

if i still lived with mommy and they paid for my college.. sure.. id improve my "Education".. but when you live on your own BEFORE you get a good career and you have no family support.. good luck.

keep working, take out a loan and do a part time program, online or night classes.

why not?

Why do people keep advocating STEM like its the only option?

If you can't afford it, try trades. Affordable, don't need to study all day, done in 2 years. You can even upgrade (ex. electrician -> electrical engineer).

Lots of affordable options these days.

Also, try living at home and not live above your means.

Simple fact is not everyone has the aptitude or ability for STEM or other demanding careers (law, business, medicine etc). To succeed in these highly mentally demanding fields requires some level of intellect likely at least 110 - 115 IQ level minimum and an above average level of discipline to put off immediate gratification in favor of the longer view. So right there you are already wedding out over half of the population.

In the past anyone with workable hands and feet could work in a factor or manual labor type job and make a livable wage. Now those jobs are shipped overseas or are increasingly done by automated machines. That's the major difference between then and now.

Lol age 22. Depends on job/field.

I'll be completely honest here brahs

I am in this position and if there was ever someone with the most prime circumstances to progress it would be me. I am 22 and have been working at the same godforsaken retail job ($13 an hour) since I was in high school. I finished an associates degree in engineering science, but that amounts to little more than nothing. I live at home and I have been coasting for the last year. I don't think I've even worked more than 30 hours a week since 2015. I just have no desire to. I get to come home to hot meals and I am still miserable. I traveled for a while last year which was fun, but cost some money. I only have 10k saved up. And my car is on the verge of dying and being reduced to scrap metal any minute, which means I really have nothing. I work four days a week, go to the gym for 2 hours a day, and sit on my ass the rest of the time--usually reading.

I feel like chit about the fact that I know so many people who work 2x as much as me + attend school or care for a family. I have absolutely no responsibilities. If you can't tell by now I have been utterly depressed for the longest time now. I tell my parents to kick me out but they won't.

I want to go back to school; I love academia. But I always feel like I'm pissing away my money.Throughout the last 5 years I have had so many "majors" that I wanted to pursue. Each one was just a flavor of the week. First it was engineering, then it was theoretical physics, then environmental science, then psychology, then geology, with a few others mixed in. Now I'm thinking about going back for bioengineering but I am worried I'll lose interest after 6 months like I do with everything else. That's just the way I am. Intensely passionate about something and it burns up so quick. And on to the next thing.

I'm a smart person. There's never been something I wasn't able to accomplish. When I am motivated I can do anything. Unfortunately it only comes in short spurts. I am a glorified shelf stocker at the place I work that does over 250m in sales/year. But I've spent enough time around these people to know I could manage entire the place better than it is currently being run. My ambition towards everything in life is always so fleeting. It doesn't matter how much talent you have when you're like this.

They need to move to where I live. The mother****er walking around asking to mow lawns in my neighborhood said he'd do it for $50/pop but wouldn't be worth it if he wasn't coming every week (I asked if he'd come every 2 weeks) despite him mowing my neighbors lawn. Dude is literally making $100 an hour mowing lawns.

They lack common sense, financial/money management, drive, the idea of creating/setting/and accomplishing goals.

They wander through life looking at everyone else for their problems or to fix their problems.

agreed, there are trades etc I'm not talking about these people necessarily having top end jobs. But at least a better job that gets them out of minimum wage level slavery? there are options out there for all levels of ability to be pursued

thanks for sharing this brah. It seems like there are a number of different cases. For you, you admit it's motivation. You even have a degree, so you have pursued education although evidently it was a worthless degree. Seems like you are well aware that there is avenue for you to do better as a young person, with the benefit of living at home.

What I'm learning to consider is the man/woman in their mid 30s that got laid off and have two kids and can't find similar work. That's rough and could literally be impossible to improve.

But I'd still guess that most situations lean towards the "it would be really hard but not at all impossible to better my situation" category.

I just honestly gotta find the motivation to pursue a career and make it through college. Soon as I open a book I lose all motivation to do school work because I despise it. I have a kid and am struggling right now but even that isn't enough of a push.

Having a family is an obstacle that I never really considered. Definitely changes it up in terms of the time someone would have. If they work a s*itty job full time and have kids to take care of, could be no time at all for pursuit of a better a career.

That stops a lot of people, they get kids/family before they get a good job/career and all their time is basically focus on that. When you have a job that you're barely scrapping by because you are having kids, you more than likely don't have the time or money to pursue something else. No point in a loan if you cant afford the monthly payments. After my child support, and bills I dont have any spare. Im screwed if I ever get into an accident or something.

No disrespect, but would you agree that people who have kids/family before being financially set should blame themselves and not society if they cant help their situation

It's also true that some people DO have a solid career, have kids, and then get laid off when they are older and cant get hired again. That happens, and is definitely rough.

I look at life like being dealt a hand of cards in poker. Some people have two pair, some get a flush, others get a 6 and a 9.

It's what you do with that hand that matters. Some give up before they even see the flop. Others with two pair work their ass off to BS their way to the flop to see that full house and they make it.

Life is not this fukin simple though. When you're raised in poverty, everyone around you is dragging you down, there's zero inspiration, there aren't many opportunities, and so many ways you can fuk it all up. You have bad influences on your life and no father figure. You have 0 discipline and your only motivation is the bare essentials. You might not even get all the nutrients you need to fully develop your brain.

Ever see Maslow's Hierachy of Needs?

There's many people that never make it past the first stage:


Despite all this people put themselves in bad situations and make terrible decisions all the time and never learn from their mistakes as well. There's plenty of programs out there filled with people that want to help. There's pell grants for education, free food up until you graduate HS, after school programs and such. There's honestly not a lot of excuses you can come up with unless you have a mental or physical problem.

I agree that people for the most part are still underpaid in our society and it's sad to see the amount of people who have it and and the have nots. Some people are living the dream and some people are living in hell a few miles down the road. It's truly sad. But again some people have children out of wed lock or have kids when they have no money to raise them. Some things just baffle my mind and it's hard not to be empathetic but a lot of people choose their own path and expect a handout as well.

Not everyone has the mental capacity and discipline to be in STEM lol.