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Thread: If you don't believe in climate change, please step into this thread and explain why.

post 1475958741 12-21-2016, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted By infinit⏩
Lol, I am not trying to get away with anything. All my evidence is backed up in papers from Nature, the Royal Society and the IPCC amongst others. I used a simple anaology because nothing in this thread has lead to me suggest if I started spouting studies etc people would even read them. So why don't you give me some studies if I am so hilariously wrong?
I didn't say you. I was referencing the community.

I doubt there is a computer capable of processing all variables necessary to produce a reasonable guess on the climate, nor a person capable of creating a mathematical model encompassing so many variables. Will have AI before we even scratch the surface of climate. I don't even know how the scientific community can claim to have a reasonable guess on it.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
I'd be more open to the idea if A) The carbon credit thing went away, B) The left wasn't pushing it so hard, and C) Questioning it/denying it wasn't treated as a blasphemous offense against some kind of God.
Why do you always bring up "the left" and "liberals" when talking about climate change? I can smell your intentional ignorance from here. You equate learning science with being a liberal somehow, and that's incredibly strange.

Science is not politics.

And we're ridiculing you for denying man-made climate change because it's backed by CONCLUSIVE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE brought to the table by CLIMATE SCIENTISTS.

Both you and I are not climate scientists, right? We're not qualified to come to a conclusion. Why don't we leave the science to the scientists? Jesus.......
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
I'd be more open to the idea if A) The carbon credit thing went away, B) The left wasn't pushing it so hard, and C) Questioning it/denying it wasn't treated as a blasphemous offense against some kind of God.
In other words, you dont have a science reason to disbelieve.

You only disbelieve it because you dont want to pay carbon taxes, dont like the left wing, and dont like being told you are stupid for ignorning it(nobody is mad at people questioning it, they are mad at people outright dismissing it for no reason).

Get real dude. just because the left believes in something doesnt make it FALSE. And the carbon tax is just an idea, and it only exists because wont change if they arent losing money they wont give a fuk.
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Originally Posted By cashinout⏩
the thing is, i don't think most people who have a problem with climate change actually deny it's existence, they are more against the political agenda that comes along with it

when people blindly follow things and don't allow any discourse, then governments are free to do as they please

fact is, government is not going to fix climate change, they can barely fix the roads

it's up to scientists, the people and the free market
No no no you see, this is a scenario where government needs to step in because people are too greedy to change their ways.

Climate change is not going to impact people alive today, so left to the free market nobody will change. In this case, for the good of future generations government needs to step in before we destroy our planet.

You think people would change out of the goodness of their heart, for future generations they dont give a fuk about? Get real
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
No no no you see, this is a scenario where government needs to step in because people are too greedy to change their ways.

Climate change is not going to impact people alive today, so left to the free market nobody will change. In this case, for the good of future generations government needs to step in before we destroy our planet.
i disagree

elon musk will single-handedly do more for climate change than the government could in 1000yrs

and guess who is actually holding him back in some places?
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
In other words, you dont have a science reason to disbelieve.

You only disbelieve it because you dont want to pay carbon taxes, dont like the left wing, and dont like being told you are stupid for ignorning it(nobody is mad at people questioning it, they are mad at people outright dismissing it for no reason).

Get real dude. just because the left believes in something doesnt make it FALSE. And the carbon tax is just an idea, and it only exists because wont change if they arent losing money they wont give a fuk.
The left does literally nothing but lie about EVERYTHING. Then they come up with this crap to find another way to tax people to pay for yet more idiotic social programs. If you can't smell their bull**** by now, maybe get out for a breath of fresh air.
Originally Posted By Kalmah6661⏩
Why do you always bring up "the left" and "liberals" when talking about climate change? I can smell your intentional ignorance from here. You equate learning science with being a liberal somehow, and that's incredibly strange.

Science is not politics.

And we're ridiculing you for denying man-made climate change because it's backed by CONCLUSIVE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE brought to the table by CLIMATE SCIENTISTS.

Both you or I are not climate scientists, right? We're not qualified to come to a conclusion. Why don't we leave the science to the scientists? Jesus.......
I bring them up because it's the left that's pushing this ****.

I like how you acknowledge that both of us aren't climate scientists, yet you seem SO SURE that what you've been told is accurate. Exactly how are you qualified to make that determination? IOW, you're just believing what you're told. It's like atheists making fun of Christians for believing in God without any proof. I mean, priests are the "experts" right? We should probably just believe what they say. I mean, YOU'RE not a priest, and I'M not a priest... let's just defer to the "experts" right?
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Questioning it/denying it wasn't treated as a blasphemous offense against some kind of God.
No one has any issue with people questioning human climate change. That's the whole point of science, to put forward claims, to have them analysed by the collective expertise in the field and if it's found to be legit for adaptations to be made to our understanding.

The problem is those questioning it are not putting forward any new evidence, they are putting forward the same evidence time and time again which has already been shat over by those who are experts on the topic. There isn't a single other model that properly explains the shift in temperature we are seeing. The sun, other cosmic events, the oceans, volanic eruptions etc etc have all been analysed and none of them have been shown by anybody to explain what we are seeing.

I'm all for someone providing it wrong, if someone takes the leading studies in the area and finds things wrong with them, if people can find evidence that another factor is causing it.. That's fantastic and we can go back to the drawing board. But no one has and at this stage and it's getting very improbably that anyone will.
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Originally Posted By cashinout⏩
i disagree

elon musk will single-handedly do more for climate change than the government could in 1000yrs

and guess who is actually holding him back in some places?
no retard, if you read up on the issue the entire world has to get their act together or else we are fuked. Elon Musk can go nuts and if people dont care nothing with change.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
The left does literally nothing but lie about EVERYTHING. Then they come up with this crap to find another way to tax people to pay for yet more idiotic social programs. If you can't smell their bull**** by now, maybe get out for a breath of fresh air.
ok, done with you. When you say things like that, you are no better than they are. If you want to refute the science of climate change, come with some convincing science instead of just hating liberals which has nothing to do with it.
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
ok, done with you. When you say things like that, you are no better than they are. If you want to refute the science of climate change, come with some convincing science instead of just hating liberals which has nothing to do with it.
Next time a liberal tells the truth point it out to me so I can mark it down on my calendar.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Next time a liberal tells the truth point it out to me so I can mark it down on my calendar.
Except for all of them talking about the scientifically backed climate change for years?
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
Except for all of them talking about the scientifically backed climate change for years?
Backed scientifically by the same people who don't think biology exists and claim men & women are "the same". Derp.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
The left does literally nothing but lie about EVERYTHING. Then they come up with this crap to find another way to tax people to pay for yet more idiotic social programs. If you can't smell their bull**** by now, maybe get out for a breath of fresh air.



I bring them up because it's the left that's pushing this ****.

I like how you acknowledge that both of us aren't climate scientists, yet you seem SO SURE that what you've been told is accurate. Exactly how are you qualified to make that determination? IOW, you're just believing what you're told. It's like atheists making fun of Christians for believing in God without any proof. I mean, priests are the "experts" right? We should probably just believe what they say. I mean, YOU'RE not a priest, and I'M not a priest... let's just defer to the "experts" right?
Lol at your argument. Seriously?

That's not MY CONCLUSION. That's the conclusion by CLIMATE SCIENTISTS. That's what makes me so sure that they're right. This isn't me just making chit up in a forum. I'm basically being the messenger here.

Was that a serious post? LOL.

And the left isn't pushing anything. You're just delusional. This is just science.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
The left does literally nothing but lie about EVERYTHING. Then they come up with this crap to find another way to tax people to pay for yet more idiotic social programs. If you can't smell their bull**** by now, maybe get out for a breath of fresh air.
So you believe the whole issue raised about the Ozone layer in the 90's was false and that if globally chlorofluorocarbons hadn't have been banned that the hole that was beginning to form would have started to shrink regardless?
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Originally Posted By Kalmah6661⏩
Lol at your argument. Seriously?

That's not MY CONCLUSION. That's the conclusion by CLIMATE SCIENTISTS. That's what makes me so sure that they're right. This isn't me just making chit up in a forum. I'm basically being the messenger here.

Was that a serious post? LOL.
Well, my priest and his entire congregation concluded that God exists. That's what makes me so sure that they're right. This isn't me just making chit up in a forum. I'm basically being the messenger here.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Backed scientifically by the same people who don't think biology exists and claim men & women are "the same". Derp.
Erm. Climate scientists don't publish papers on gender issues? What are you even on about?
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Backed scientifically by the same people who don't think biology exists and claim men & women are "the same". Derp.
Whoa whoa. Who the fukc says this?

Libtard feminist students =/= Scientists/Biologists
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Backed scientifically by the same people who don't think biology exists and claim men & women are "the same". Derp.
LMAO, dude the climate change community goes waaaaay beyond the nutty american liberals and their gender nonsense.

Not hard to tell the difference if you bother to look.
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Originally Posted By infinit⏩
What are you even on about?
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Well, my priest and his entire congregation concluded that God exists. That's what makes me so sure that they're right. This isn't me just making chit up in a forum. I'm basically being the messenger here.
too bad there's no scientific proof of god

We have scienftific proof of man made climate change.

Science > all
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Well, my priest and his entire congregation concluded that God exists. That's what makes me so sure that they're right. This isn't me just making chit up in a forum. I'm basically being the messenger here.
Yeah, except there's no evidence of a god........

Another terrible argument. You got anymore?
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Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
too bad there's no scientific proof of god

We have scienftific proof of man made climate change.

Science > all
Except when that science doesn't fit a leftist narrative.
Originally Posted By Kalmah6661⏩
Yeah, except there's no evidence of a god........

Another terrible argument. You got anymore?
It was your argument. I just changed a couple words.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Except that isn't how science works. Papers don't get published in Nature and the like because they are written by someone from a certain political segment. They get published because other leading experts can't find holes in the work they've done. There are plenty of non-liberal scientists.
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InstantLoser throwing around all kindz of fallacies right now lmao
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Originally Posted By UberAlles⏩
so show me the evidence. show me the peer reviewed journals bro

it's fine to reject scientific consensusif you can provide your own peer reviewed researchwhich of course you can't, because lib-lib-liberalsss!!!



Ok now pull up research on the statistics that show how many people who are "scientists" are also liberals.

How many of them DONT have a hidden agenda?

How can you research that?
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Except when that science doesn't fit a leftist narrative.
Well thats why we need to compare the science and determine who's right.

Where is the evidence you believe in?

Hint, if its from oil company lobbyists it's probably not the most trustworthy.


What again does the left gain from getting people to take steps to combat climate change?
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Except when that science doesn't fit a leftist narrative.



It was your argument. I just changed a couple words.
If you think that was my argument, we're in two different dimensions when it comes to logic. That's scary that you equate a factual concept like man-made climate change with a god, which has absolutely no evidence. Ouch.
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Originally Posted By MuckSnapper⏩
InstantLoser throwing around all kindz of fallacies right now lmao
And yet I'm still correct.

Originally Posted By jamesbwbevis⏩
Well thats why we need to compare the science and determine who's right.

Where is the evidence you believe in?

Hint, if its from oil company lobbyists it's probably not the most trustworthy.


What again does the left gain from getting people to take steps to combat climate change?
Look at this hilarious ****:

-If it's from oil lobbyists it's not reliable
-If it's from carbon-credit pushing *******'s, it's 100% fact and we dare not question it
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
Ok now pull up research on the statistics that show how many people who are "scientists" are also liberals.

How many of them DONT have a hidden agenda?

How can you research that?
Jerry is a liberal scientist

Jerry has a secret agenda

Therefore, all liberal scientists have a secret agenda.


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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
And yet I'm still correct.

About what exactly?
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