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Originally Posted By BFast55⏩
No. enough people became skeptical about Al Gore telling us in 2005 that there would be no ice caps in 10 years. What do you do when you agenda isn't palatable any more? You change it to a more vague, less arguable term. Very common political tactic.
Are people still talking about Al Gore when discussing climate change? Seriously? How is he even relevant? Do you really believe Al Gore was the pioneer of global warming and climate change?

Jesus. You people are as bad as people who only know who Kim Kardashian is because you saw her on TV. You need to read more.
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Originally Posted By InstantLoser⏩
Clearly you're a misogynist. Don't you know that Global "Warming" makes temperatures drop, which is akin to air conditioning the whole planet? If temps rise instead, they'll have to turn up the AC! DON'T YOU KNOW THAT AIR CONDITIONING OPPRESSES THE WIMMINS?!?
Pick up a dictionary and look up what "counter-intuitive" means. You're welcome.

There's no excuse for being ignorant in 2016 (almost 2017).

Your argument is the same as the people who deny evolution. "Psh. You think I evolved from a frog? LOL."
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Originally Posted By BFast55⏩
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...er-than-losses



#hatefacts
Wait. So hang on. You don't believe man-made climate change when NASA says it's real........But then you use NASA to prove your point that man-made climate change isn't happening? LOL.

NASA says man-made climate change is real, so you can't also use NASA to prove that man-made climate change isn't real. See how stupid that is?
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Originally Posted By Kalmah6661⏩
Are people still talking about Al Gore when discussing climate change? Seriously? How is he even relevant? Do you really believe Al Gore was the pioneer of global warming and climate change?
I seem to remember people taking his words and the word of his movie as gospel. But I'm sure you conveniently forgot about all those people back then. Just pivot by changing from "global warming" to something more vague like "climate change" and re-brand the movement.
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Originally Posted By Kalmah6661⏩
Wait. So hang on. You don't believe man-made climate change when NASA says it's real........But then you use NASA to prove your point that man-made climate change isn't happening? LOL.
You have me mistaken for someone else, I never made any assertions about NASA.

But since NASA's modern data seemingly contradicts its earlier predictions about the melting ice caps, you can understand how logical individuals might be skeptical about global warming.
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Originally Posted By Kalmah6661⏩
Pick up a dictionary and look up what "counter-intuitive" means. You're welcome.

There's no excuse for being ignorant in 2016 (almost 2017).

Your argument is the same as the people who deny evolution. "Psh. You think I evolved from a frog? LOL."
Look kids, it's the "CURRENT" YEAR", so you should definitely be on board with (INSERT FAKE LEFTIST NARRATIVE HERE) or you're (INSERT TYPICAL CHILDISH LEFTIST CHARACTER INSULT HERE).

Jesus Christ man, you're stuck on page 1 of the libtard playbook.
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Originally Posted By BFast55⏩
You have me mistaken for someone else, I never made any assertions about NASA.

But since NASA's modern data seemingly contradicts its earlier predictions about the melting ice caps, you can understand how logical individuals might be skeptical about global warming.
Except it isn't really a contradiction. Net ice on ice sheets IS declining.



And there are explanations for why the Antarctic is seeing a (slowing) increase.
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Originally Posted By infinit⏩
Except it isn't really a contradiction. Net ice on ice sheets IS declining.



And there are explanations for why the Antarctic is seeing a (slowing) increase.
Why does this tard keep posting that video in response to things? It explains nothing.

The guy LITERALLY says word for word:

"The increase we're seeing in the Antarctic extent is, a little bit of a mystery"

Yet you keep posting it like it explains something.

The point is there are record colds, and low temperatures globally.

There is no general difference in weather.

Thats how the ice caps are this century.

Nobody knows weather they will increase or decrease in the next century.

So far doomsday predictions have been non-sense.

All this human presence is not as intense as we assume it is on the planet. (compared to a Volcano etc)

The earth will not become un-inhabitable.

There is no evidence suggesting that.

A reduction in ice does not mean Ice will be all gone. As long as we are not getting further or closer to the sun we are fine.
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
The point is there are record colds, and low temperatures globally.

There is no general difference in weather.
7 Pages in and you are still saying that.

And then you post this:http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showth...hp?t=173172361



Please atleast leave this thread for people with triple digit IQ's, ta.
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Why/how a scientific issue became purely political points more towards our flaws as a species. That has me more worried than polar caps melting.

The earth definitely goes into and out of desolation phases. No one knows how close we are to one but almost everyone agrees that one is coming eventually and that we definitely seem to be speeding things up.
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXGZu4yxjW0
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Originally Posted By infinit⏩
7 Pages in and you are still saying that.

And then you post this:http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showth...hp?t=173172361



Please atleast leave this thread for people with triple digit IQ's, ta.
I walk outside, and its cold outside....

?????

You can't explain that!!!

Its Arizona and its cold as fuk.

???

I don't remember it being this cold 10 years ago...
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Great read here regarding Cooks 97% consensus paper

This interviews several of the very scientists that Cook et al cited in the 97% paper, and they're not happy Cook very inaccurately represented their papers
http://www.populartechnology.net/201...cientists.html

One of the clearest facts we have the debate is that the 97% consensus is baloney
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Originally Posted By infinit⏩
Except it isn't really a contradiction. Net ice on ice sheets IS declining.



And there are explanations for why the Antarctic is seeing a (slowing) increase.
Read the article I posted. It is a direct contradiction.
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Originally Posted By BFast55⏩
Read the article I posted. It is a direct contradiction.
It's in no way a contradiction. It's science.

For a start, Antarctica's increase does not offset a global overall decrease.
Secondly, even the author of the paper acknowledges it isn't likely to continue increasing in the mid-term.
Thirdly, there are big differences between the Artic and Antarctica in terms of the Antarctic ice sheets forming off a continent which doesn't occur with the Artic, the lack of Ozone layer over Antarctica which has caused changes in wind patterns and the fact the Artic doesn't have anything equiv of the Antarctic Circumpolar Current which shields the Antarctic in the short term from sea temperature rises.
Fourthly, it in no way mitigates the fact that every mean temperature study of the globe is finding that it is increasing.
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Originally Posted By nzgs⏩
I don't accept anthropogenic climate change, because the evidence for it is so weak, has been fiddled so extensively, and because more evidence exists that disproves the models than confirm them.

-A strong scientific theory does not need its raw data to be fiddled by NASA to fit an agenda. NASA systematically fiddled historical data to show a warming trend where there is none on the raw data.http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ievable-scale/

-A strong scientific theory makes solid predictions that are testable. Climate change scientists use computer models to predict future temperature rises, which have proven incorrect until now because they are based on incorrect mathematics that grossly exaggerate trends. This video explains the flaw in the math behind all climate change models, and there is a paper close to publication on the matter.



-A strong scientific theory does not need political activists to silence criticism and shame people into acceptance, in lieu of actual evidence.

-The best evidence, from raw satellite data not flawed models, suggests that solar activity drives changes to the climate whether it's warming or cooling. This is politically inconvenient because socialists can't tax the sun. Here are 100 published papers that come to this conclusion, and which have been ignored by the mainstream media.

http://notrickszone.com/100-papers-s....W1rVh3QY.dpbs
Are you seriously quoting BREITBART as a source? Jesus Christ are you trying to look like a moron????
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
I walk outside, and its cold outside....

?????

You can't explain that!!!

Its Arizona and its cold as fuk.

???

I don't remember it being this cold 10 years ago...
The epitome of climate change denier.


Too supid to even recognize difference between local weather and global climate.


Urine idiot.
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Originally Posted By infinit⏩
It's in no way a contradiction. It's science.
Evidence that contradicts Al Gore/climate model predictions is a contradiction.
For a start, Antarctica's increase does not offset a global overall decrease.
Secondly, even the author of the paper acknowledges it isn't likely to continue increasing in the mid-term.
Thirdly, there are big differences between the Artic and Antarctica in terms of the Antarctic ice sheets forming off a continent which doesn't occur with the Artic, the lack of Ozone layer over Antarctica which has caused changes in wind patterns and the fact the Artic doesn't have anything equiv of the Antarctic Circumpolar Current which shields the Antarctic in the short term from sea temperature rises.
Fourthly, it in no way mitigates the fact that every mean temperature study of the globe is finding that it is increasing.
This is all speculation with 0 data.
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Originally Posted By BFast55⏩
Evidence that contradicts Al Gore/climate model predictions is a contradiction.


This is all speculation with 0 data.
Al Gore is not a climate scientist.

It's all common, basic climate knowledge which if you don't know says a lot about where you are coming from here. Do I need to provide data to show 2+2=4?
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because in australia we dont believe in temperature, its either hot as **** or not too bad
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Does the world have serious challenges to face with climate, environment and access to water?? Definitely.

Is climate change a thing? Probably not.

The wheels are coming off the wagon, slowly but surely...hence why the lobby is getting more desperate
there are real challenges that countries in both the developing and developed world have to face in order to ensure they can provide sustainable communities to its inhabitants...climate change is just a sham job to monetize carbon offset and hold developing countries to ransom. Much of the developments which have seen vast reductions in carbon output have come from the use of fracking and nuclear power...but the lefty idiots would have you believe these are terrible.

Most renewable energies are garbage and offer very little real value for money for the cost of infrastructure required. Things like solar power require massive amounts of real estate before one can see any tangible benefit from it. Have a look at some of the solar farms in turkey (I think) and the US...at best they can power a single city. Battery technology is still way behind and storage methods are highly inefficient. Storage capacity being a major bottleneck in the viability of many renewable energy sources.

Dont believe the hype about Germany getting most of the energy from solar/wind/renewables. Its hogwash.

https://www.ft.com/content/719ea15e-...f-21b88f7d973f
http://www.the-american-interest.com...r-two-decades/

Here's a conspiracy theory for you. There is lots of talk about the war on Syria being largely about the aim to build a gas pipeline through syria straight into turkey and central europe...helping to reduce reliance on russian gas from Ukraine.

The whole renewable energy thing is one big lie.
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It's the newest trojan horse for socialism/communism.
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Originally Posted By GaloisTheory⏩
Science is a liberal conspiracy when it conflicts with my political beliefs.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7139797.stm
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Originally Posted By infinit⏩
Al Gore is not a climate scientist.
His movement and movie reportedly gave voices to 1000's of climate scientists who were all in agreement. Don't you remember?
It's all common, basic climate knowledge which if you don't know says a lot about where you are coming from here. Do I need to provide data to show 2+2=4?
Let see how we arrived at this point:
- Claim: Polar ice sheets are melting. Man made GW clearly must be the cause.
- I post 2015 NASA data saying that the Antarctic ice sheet has grown in recent years.
- Responds with no data or further contemporary evidence. Only repetition of older evidence of arctic (not antarctic) ice sheet shrinking.

This creates a conundrum for people in your camp. Either A) you have inadvertently stumbled upon a previously unknown force that grows Antarctic ice while simultaneously melting that arctic ice. Or B) The Occam's razor approach: that the predictive computer models showing a warming trend were mistaken or flawed in some way.

Even without the NOAA and East Anglia Scandals where the pro GW's were caught falsifying data, you still have a justifiable reason to be skeptical of the Global Warming fanaticism from the left. The left after all, has much to gain from the control that comes with restriction of carbon emissions. Global Warming also made Al Gore a man of 700,000 net worth to a decamillionare.
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We should protect the environment, even if global warming is a hoax.

Who wants to live in conditions like this?

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global warming, such as evolution, is just a big NWO scheme.

a HOAX IF YOU WILL.
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Originally Posted By Dumika⏩
We should protect the environment, even if global warming is a hoax.

Who wants to live in conditions like this?

Snip img
Strong Strawman/Virtue signaling. Nobody wants this.
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Originally Posted By BFast55⏩
His movement and movie reportedly gave voices to 1000's of climate scientists who were all in agreement. Don't you remember?


Let see how we arrived at this point:
- Claim: Polar ice sheets are melting. Man made GW clearly must be the cause.
- I post 2015 NASA data saying that the Antarctic ice sheet has grown in recent years.
- Responds with no data or further contemporary evidence. Only repetition of older evidence of arctic (not antarctic) ice sheet shrinking.

This creates a conundrum for people in your camp. Either A) you have inadvertently stumbled upon a previously unknown force that grows Antarctic ice while simultaneously melting that arctic ice. Or B) The Occam's razor approach: that the predictive computer models showing a warming trend were mistaken or flawed in some way.

Even without the NOAA and East Anglia Scandals where the pro GW's were caught falsifying data, you still have a justifiable reason to be skeptical of the Global Warming fanaticism from the left. The left after all, has much to gain from the control that comes with restriction of carbon emissions. Global Warming also made Al Gore a man of 700,000 net worth to a decamillionare.
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard...record-maximum
This article provides some explanation for the decrease of arctic ice with increasing in antarctic, but as always we keep in mind science and discovery is a slow process while denial is a quick one. Jumping to conclusions in either direction isn't productive, but we should be doing what we can to protect the environment rather than resume and expand activity that has a likely outcome of affecting our environment negatively (based on what science we have now). We're better off safe than sorry. There are equally as many right wing nuts as left when it comes to this. The right has as much to gain from the expansion of carbon emissions and fossil fuels as the left does from the restriction, science and politics should never intertwine. Examples: tobacco, select drugs, abortion (for more than scientific reasons), climate change, scientific exploration.
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[QUOTE=Dumika post_id=1478184581]We should protect the environment, even if global warming is a hoax.

Who wants to live in conditions like this?

[img]http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/lg/public/2015/12/06/beijing-smog-alert.jpg[img][/QUOTE][QUOTE=BFast55 post_id=1478185611]Strong Strawman/Virtue signaling. Nobody wants this.[/QUOTE]not to mention carbon dioxide has (almost) nothing to do with that kind of pollution

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