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Originally Posted By Gripsa⏩
No one wants to hang around an ego tripping jerk who thinks he's just better than everyone. Just throwing it out there.
Those people are egomaniacs.
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I think you need a balance, because ego death = just a husk walking through life, but then look at max ego and you have the endless instragram sloots that think a million guys love them because their ass is big. That arguably is probably worse.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
No I think you are getting ambition mixed up with ego.

Ego is about self esteem.

From self esteem comes ambition and confidence.

You can't be ambitious if you think you're incapable.
You're talking semantics. I was simply describing how children are very different than most adults in their views and actions.

When i was a child i used to love playing sports and getting better simply for the enjoyment of it. Then the adults came along and started corrupting that love and passion with anger (missing the ball), burnout (over playing/practicing), fame/importance (you could be a star one day), money, scholarships, etc.

I remember playing baseball one season and watching teammate after teammate come back to the dugout crying and angry after getting struck out or missing a play. I thought it was quiet weird at the time until years later when I saw how much pressure some parents were putting on their kids to be something they (the parents) are not.

My nephew likes to build towers out of blocks. Each one gets better and more sturdy. He does it simply for the joy of it. He's completely present in the moment. He's NOT sitting there going ... "HMMMM ... one day I can be the worlds most famous architect and make lots of money!"



Side note... most people assume in a thread like this that when you're talking about ego you're talking about the Freudian version. From what i've seen you type it seems like you are too, but you keep referencing it (self-esteem) like its the basic dictionary version of the term. You should clarify.
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
i did answer it, but some brahs dont want to beleaf.

its a combination of simple factors, like an innate desire to discover or to solve problems, acting in ways that benefit the group as a whole and acting in ways that utilize the reward systems in our brains in ways that they were not designed.

the only things that cause evolutionare those which make us more or less likely to reproduce, so how could we possibly develop more than that?
It's always mind-blowing to me when someone references theory as their base of logic with an absolute ("only").

If it can "only" be that way then there can't be exceptions like suicide and self species eradication that kills or harms 1/10th of the worlds population like WW2. Almost every facet of WW2 blows your "it's about evolution" viewpoint out of the water.
people just dont want to believe that there is nothing more than that.
Or maybe you just don't want to believe there IS SOMETHING more than that.



You're better off stating that you don't know the answers instead of saying, "theonlypossible explanation for all human action is DNA replication".
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Originally Posted By alltrapbrah⏩
Nah I'm serious bruh...

Why did humans create Nintendo?

I mean... are you honestly satisfied with your theory that it's all about reproduction? Don't you think it's a touch simplistic? In my opinion, there's an abundance of chit humanity has done that's nigh on unexplainable, or rather isn't so neatly explained by a mere survival drive...
The dude you're talking to has heavy ... heavy blinders on. Surely he can explain the evolutionary advantage to this:



or this...

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Is competition necessary?

What would happen if you were in a room with one other person and you guys had 1 piece of food left on earth?

Also, very rudimentary concepts here but lets talk about ego vs. Egolessness:

Lets say youre in a race

Ego: i must do anything to win this race. I put my mind to it ill come out on top

Egolessness: winning the race doesnt matter. Nothing means anything; we're all 1

Which is more conducive to getting chit done?

Which society would you rather live in? Which society would be more advanced?

It makes sense to me those that dont get chit done and arent good would prefer egolessness because they feel theyre inferior and cant keep up. Thus, isolated

How can you be truly open to EVERYTHING unless you forego your own opinion/ survival? You cant be for egolessness while interjecting YOUR OWN right to survive

The second you exclaim your right to survive = ego - the "individual", the "you" the "rights", the "story"
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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
Is competition necessary?

What would happen if you were in a room with one other person and you guys had 1 piece of food left on earth?

Also, very rudimentary concepts here but lets talk about ego vs. Egolessness:

Lets say youre in a race

Ego: i must do anything to win this race. I put my mind to it ill come out on top

Egolessness: winning the race doesnt matter. Nothing means anything; we're all 1

Which is more conducive to getting chit done?

Which society would you rather live in? Which society would be more advanced?

It makes sense to me those that dont get chit done and arent good would prefer egolessness because they feel theyre inferior and cant keep up. Thus, isolated

How can you be truly open to EVERYTHING unless you forego your own opinion/ survival? You cant be for egolessness while interjecting YOUR OWN right to survive

The second you exclaim your right to survive = ego - the "individual", the "you" the "rights", the "story"
Or the thought could be, "Winning the race doesn't matter. It's about personal progress... stretching 'my' mind/body/spirit."
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
Or the thought could be, "Winning the race doesn't matter. It's about personal progress... stretching 'my' mind/body/spirit."
Well, true buddhism attempts to remove the personal narrative. The "individual" the "you" that you cling and adhere to as some sort of per9snal story

In this case there would be no "you" so why would the race matter?

However, there are many sects and interpretations but this is the core foundation of all of it. This principal that there is no "you"

Which sounds like a horsechit way to live imo

Lest we not forget best case scenario its also cyclical and a process; those that choose to practice it will have to consantly fight it, and then those that choose to embrace it will constantly have to feed it

Feed it vs. Fight it
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
i did answer it, but some brahs dont want to beleaf.

its a combination of simple factors, like an innate desire to discover or to solve problems, acting in ways that benefit the group as a whole and acting in ways that utilize the reward systems in our brains in ways that they were not designed.

the only things that cause evolution are those which make us more or less likely to reproduce, so how could we possibly develop more than that?

people just dont want to believe that there is nothing more than that.
Since you're just going to come back for 245th time with the same blinders on ... I'll throw a different perspective at you.


What if your whole purpose of existence isn't DNA replication but the universes attempt to become self-aware? I know... you're probably saying, "But I am self-aware". That's highly debatable. However, you didn't choose to exist... the universe created you. You are the universe learning. You are the only species known to self-sacrifice for the sake of knowledge. You are the universe trying to be self-aware.
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
i am 100% better than you in every way, how is that for evolution?
Lol you're a lost cause.
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Also whats hilarious..

Is that all anxiety and things of its ilk stems from isolation.

Go talk to people about ego death

See how far you get

Its like the exact cause of isolation. Any resemblance to the word "death" has a negative connotation

And rightfully so when you compare it to "life"
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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
Well, true buddhism attempts to remove the personal narrative. The "individual" the "you" that you cling and adhere to as some sort of per9snal story

In this case there would be no "you" so why would the race matter?

However, there are many sects and interpretations but this is the core foundation of all of it. This principal that there is no "you"

Which sounds like a horsechit way to live imo

Lest we not forget best case scenario its also cyclical and a process; those that choose to practice it will have to consantly fight it, and then those that choose to embrace it will constantly have to feed it

Feed it vs. Fight it
True Buddhism is about enlightenment and attempts to remove attachments... it is a quest for clarity so that one can operate NOT from the outside in but the inside out... the source of true happiness.

What I described about the race wasn't about personal glory, but about enlightenment. There is saying in Buddhism that goes something like this, "One candle can light a thousand candles." In a true honest quest to expand yourself you help other people expand by lighting their candle. Egoless in this instance, would be the absence of holding on to that enlightenment for personal gain and profit and saying FU to everyone else.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
True Buddhism is about enlightenment and attempts to remove attachments... it is a quest for clarity so that one can operate NOT from the outside in but the inside out... the source of true happiness.

What I described about the race wasn't about personal glory, but about enlightenment. There is saying in Buddhism that goes something like this, "One candle can light a thousand candles." In a true honest quest to expand yourself you help other people expand. Egoless in this instance, would be the absence of holding on to that enlightenment for personal gain and profit and saying FU to everyone else.
Within your statement you said "MY mind/body/spirit"

Do you see how you are identifying something?

You are referencing something as individual; as a disctinct different identity that is inherently different and distinct from the rest of the population. Something that you are supposedly against



I am telling you true buddhism and a lot of eastern philosophies center around the opposite of that

And it makes sense in that the obliteration of that would leave you open to everything. But once again, its sacrificing something and being at the mercy of something as opposed to shifting your wants and needs around a personal identity
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Lol you're a lost cause.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
It's always mind-blowing to me when someone references theory as their base of logic with an absolute ("only").

If it can "only" be that way then there can't be exceptions like suicide and self species eradication that kills or harms 1/10th of the worlds population like WW2. Almost every facet of WW2 blows your "it's about evolution" viewpoint out of the water.




Or maybe you just don't want to believe there IS SOMETHING more than that.



You're better off stating that you don't know the answers instead of saying, "theonlypossible explanation for all human action is DNA replication".
I can't believe I tried to argue with someone who doesn't even know what a scientific theory actually is.

For something to be a theory it has to have been never, in all relevant experiments or observations proven to be anything but correct.

Your world war example makes no sense. When are most new technologies made? During wars. what do these technologies lead to? Invariably lower infant mortality rates and longer survival.
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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
Within your statement you said "MY mind/body/spirit"

Do you see how you are identifying something?

You are referencing something as individual; as a disctinct different identity that is inherently different and distinct from the rest of the population. Something that you are supposedly against



I am telling you true buddhism and a lot of eastern philosophies center around the opposite of that

And it makes sense in that the obliteration of that would leave you open to everything. But once again, its sacrificing something and being at the mercy of something as opposed to shifting your wants and needs around a personal identity
I am an individual and I'm also part of something greater.

I don't know if someone was feeding you BS, or that person was just regurgitating the BS someone else showed them, or you just took the wrong perspective but your view is off. A simple look at nature shows this. An ant is an ant. It will do certain things in its own self-interest but those interests are ultimately tied to the colony. This whole concept of letting go of the ego is about finding that harmony between the ant and the colony.


"What you need is awareness," said the Master to the religious-minded disciple. "Awareness, awareness, awareness."
"I know. So I seek to be aware of God's presence."
"God-awareness is a fantasy, for you have no notion of what God is like. Self-awareness is what you need."
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love my ego but i dont let it get in the way of my own goals.
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
I can't believe I tried to argue with someone who doesn't even know what a scientific theory actually is.

For something to be a theory it has to have been never, in all relevant experiments or observations proven to be anything but correct.

Your world war example makes no sense. When are most new technologies made? During wars. what do these technologies lead to? Invariably lower infant mortality rates and longer survival.
You come from a base of axioms, not theory. Hence, why you have yet to show any mathematical proof to backup your claim and keep using absolutes in justifying your claim.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
You come from a base of axioms not theory. Hence, why you have yet to show any mathematical proof to backup your claim and still use absolutes in justifying your claim.
Yea I honestly don't feel the need to spend the time delivering, because it would only be a favour for you, and based on your replies to other people you are legitimately delusional.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
I am an individual and I'm also part of something greater.

I don't know if someone was feeding you BS, or that person was just regurgitating the BS someone else showed them, or you just took the wrong perspective but your view is off. A simple look at nature shows this. An ant is an ant. It will do certain things in its own self-interest but those interests are ultimately tied to the colony. This whole concept of letting go of the ego is about finding that harmony between the ant and the colony.


"What you need is awareness," said the Master to the religious-minded disciple. "Awareness, awareness, awareness."
"I know. So I seek to be aware of God's presence."
"God-awareness is a fantasy, for you have no notion of what God is like. Self-awareness is what you need."
Im just telling you youre stuck in a haphazard lie

Honestly i dont even know where we are but i know you liked to think you were egoless

And im telling if you have some sense of identity you are not

Heres a basic chart:

Eastern philosophy

1. Cosmological unity
2. Life is a journey towards eternal realities that are beyond the realities that surround us. Circular view of the universe, based on the perception of eternal recurrence
3. Inner-world dependent
4. Self-liberation from the false "Me" and finding the true "Me". The highest state is believed to be a state of 'no-self', where neither self-worth nor self-importance have any real meaning.
5. Behavioral ethics

Western Philosophy:

1.Feeling oneself as an element of the Divine
2.Life is a service (to the God, money, business, etc.)
3.Linear view of the universe and life, based on the Christian philosophy where everything has its beginning and the end.
4.Outer-world dependent
5.Self-dedication to the goal (life vision, success, happiness, etc.)

Im just saying truthfully they are entirely opposite and i feel youre conflating both concepts:

Me and "no me". The lie is saying there is a "you" = identity - and then then there is no "you" = egolesness

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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
Im just telling you youre stuck in a haphazard lie

Honestly i dont even know where we are but i know you liked to think you were egoless

And im telling if you have some sense of identity you are not

Heres a basic chart:

Eastern philosophy

1. Cosmological unity
2. Life is a journey towards eternal realities that are beyond the realities that surround us. Circular view of the universe, based on the perception of eternal recurrence
3. Inner-world dependent
4. Self-liberation from the false "Me" and finding the true "Me". The highest state is believed to be a state of 'no-self', where neither self-worth nor self-importance have any real meaning.
5. Behavioral ethics

Western Philosophy:

1.Feeling oneself as an element of the Divine
2.Life is a service (to the God, money, business, etc.)
3.Linear view of the universe and life, based on the Christian philosophy where everything has its beginning and the end.
4.Outer-world dependent
5.Self-dedication to the goal (life vision, success, happiness, etc.)

Im just saying truthfully they are entirely opposite and i feel youre conflating both concepts:

Me and "no me"

http://www.1000ventures.com/business...hylosophy.html
I bolded the part that you're misconstruing. "No me" is not what you think it means.

I never claimed i was egoless.
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
Yea I honestly don't feel the need to spend the time delivering, because it would only be a favour for you, and based on your replies to other peopleyou are legitimately delusional.
That's the 4th time you've directly attempted to belittle me. Ultimately you wouldn't try to do that if your argument had any merit.

Please tell me how the last 10 hours of your life discussing ego on a body building forum has helped you advance your DNA among the species?
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
I bolded the part that you're misconstruing. "No me" is not what you think it means.

I never claimed i was egoless.
How can there be a "self" and "no-self"?

Its either one or the other.

I know the emotional way to do it but im saying its a lie.

And the "self" is necessary as its necessary for survival; we're not a self-sustaining species that create food automatically

Like i said, i understand the concept but its inherent truth is a lie
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
That's the 4th time you've directly attempted to belittle me. Ultimately you wouldn't try to do that if your argument had any merit.
No I just can't debate with your brickwall like level of stupidity and narcissism.

Completely close minded to new ideas.

You are not worth anything more than ad hominems
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
No I just can't debate with your brickwall like level of stupidity and narcissism.

Completely close minded to new ideas.

You are not worth anything more than ad hominems
Please tell me how the last 10 hours of your life discussing ego on a body building forum is really about DNA replication?
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
Please tell me how the last 10 hours of your life discussing ego on a body building forum is really about DNA replication?
Simple if you are not an idiot.

Internet forum = substitute for base desire to be sociable
Sharing of ideas = condsuive to a whole groups survival and replication
Debating = also a way to create and hold in/out groups of people with similar ideas and strongly differing ideas.

Sorry that you are so stuck in your ways, it must hurt.
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Originally Posted By krazy33⏩
How can there be a "self" and "no-self"?

Its either one or the other.

I know the emotional way to do it but im saying its a lie.

And the "self" is necessary as its necessary for survival; we're not a self-sustaining species that create food automatically

Like i said, i understand the concept but its inherent truth is a lie
Simple question to you...

The statement said finding the "true Me". It's not about one or the other ... its about clarity ... "what really is".

You have a million random thoughts running through your mind every day. Is that you? Or is that just thoughts?
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Originally Posted By butwhowasgains⏩
Simple if you are an idiot.

Internet forum = substitute for base desire to be sociable(which stems from where?)
Sharing of ideas = condsuive to a whole groups survival and replication(which stems from where?)
Debating = also a way to create and hold in/out groups of people with similar ideas and strongly differing ideas.(which stems from where?)
Sorry that you are so stuck in your ways, it must hurt.
Not as much as it hurts you perceiving that I'm stuck in my ways.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
Simple question to you...

The statement said finding the "true Me". It's not about one or the other ... its about clarity ... "what really is".

You have a million random thoughts running through your mind every day. Is that you? Or is that just thoughts?
Well, despite all of these psychological points

Answer me this:

There may be no "you" pscyhologically but does that stand true for your body?

If we substitute "you" to mean your "body" is your body distinct and different from the rest of the population.

Is there ever an experience or thought that didnt come from your body and your body only?

Is there a "you" then? Even if you tell yourself theres no "you" psychologically does that remove the fact that your body and your body alone as a distinct identity is still there? Is that not individualism?

Also, the real answer is psycholigically if i believe there is a "me" there is

A "you" in the very least sense can be named as a recurring series of habits that lends itself to a pattern that you can recognize and call an identity
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
Not as much as it hurts you perceiving that I'm stuck in my ways.
The hold proves you didn't understand anything I said previously.

Also

It's beneficial to me to interact with stupid and foreign ideas, as I learn how to overcome them, improving my likelihood to replicate my genes

Checkmate srs
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