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Originally Posted By krazy33
Yea i just dont get it.

No idea how ifantilizing people is "positive"

As far as in concerned when people age theyre journeying through life getting as far away as they can from that infantile stage where infants are putting their hands on stoves to realize theyre hot. Life is the opposite, vying for individiation with the ability to synthesize and deduce information down to a level they can interpet themselves and then turn around and convey it through whatever medium they wish

What the fuk happens when they have jobs and theyve reset their brain back to a child's?

I guess if people really want to kill themselves and feel like theyre "reborn" but i think there are solutions that dont tske you back a few years

Knowing the brain has plasticity is enough to overcome most problems, though a lot of people will want to take the easy way out
First of all it's impossible to die from taking led and most psychs. You can die from doing stupi stuff while ON lsd..but not from the drug itself. That's why whatevr you drink/take you should be responsible.

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It doesn't "reset your brain back to infancy". I'm saying when you are on lsd it allows you to think in a different way. Tons of influential people and inventors have taken psych drugs and credit their success to using them. They aren't for everyone though.


Researchers have already attested to the fact that led is an amazing drug with very big possibilities. The problem is getting the federal govt to get behind funding for the research. A lot of it is privately funded or they run out of money before a big study can be completed. They are only allowed to do so much research bc it supposedly "has no medical value"
.....like they say weed has no medical value ...jajajajjaja

Btw
They are going to be using MDMA for ptsd in 2020. It just got approved.
Lots of uses for psychs.if you don't wanna use them that's your choice. I just think it should all be legal.



Edit: sorry for typos phones a pos. auto correct to led lol
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Originally Posted By Girlgoneweird
First of all it's impossible to die from taking led and most psychs. You can die from doing stupi stuff while ON lsd..but not from the drug itself. That's why whatevr you drink/take you should be responsible.

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It doesn't "reset your brain back to infancy". I'm saying when you are on lsd it allows you to think in a different way. Tons of influential people and inventors have taken psych drugs and credit their success to using them. They aren't for everyone though.


Researchers have already attested to the fact that led is an amazing drug with very big possibilities. The problem is getting the federal govt to get behind funding for the research. A lot of it is privately funded or they run out of money before a big study can be completed. They are only allowed to do so much research bc it supposedly "has no medical value"
.....like they say weed has no medical value ...jajajajjaja

Btw
They are going to be using MDMA for ptsd in 2020. It just got approved.
Lots of uses for psychs.if you don't wanna use them that's your choice. I just think it should all be legal.



Edit: sorry for typos phones a pos. auto correct to led lol
Yea, no im asking you to explain how its positive.

Ive posted the articles many times on here. Lsd research showed that it "opens up" the brain akin to that of an INFANTS.

I thought we were both talking ego death, but apprently you arent

I had very bad experiences with weed, and i know of many studies that show weeds side-effects. So while im not sure it should be banned, its not positive for everybody
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Originally Posted By krazy33
Yea i just dont get it.

No idea how ifantilizing people is "positive"

As far as in concerned when people age theyre journeying through life getting as far away as they can from that infantile stage where infants are putting their hands on stoves to realize theyre hot. Life is the opposite, vying for individiation with the ability to synthesize and deduce information down to a level they can interpet themselves and then turn around and convey it through whatever medium they wish.

Why would knowledge - the opposite of what youre promoting - and using the standard definition of knowing the way things work - not diffuse just as much stress? As far im concerned, most people get anxious when they DONT understand whats going on

What the fuk happens when they have jobs and theyve reset their brain back to a child's?

I guess if people really want to kill themselves and feel like theyre "reborn" but i think there are solutions that dont tske you back a few years

Knowing the brain has plasticity is enough to overcome most problems, though a lot of people will want to take the easy way out
Because you forget about social conditioning which is a mental prison, and most likely the source for many cases of depression. Social conditioning = knowledge

The brain is a tool to be used, not a tool meant to use you.

Knowledge isn't the end all of consciousness. Otherwise these indian/asian nerds would be CEO's of Amercian companies, which they fail hard at.
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Originally Posted By exyl
The government doesn't want to grant you access to chemicals that can expand your mind.

Alcohol keeps you at bay, and can even place you in a rut. And it's bad for you, it's literally poison. Your body rejects it. It numbs your senses and the government is okay with this
So much this. Alcohol makes you dumb, it damages your brain. Other drugs, aka psychedelia, don't. In fact, most of them are benefitial to mental and emotional maturity and understanding of reality and how life shouldn't be taken seriously. Just watch a bill hicks stand up...
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian
No drug expands your mind.

What does is reading, sitting around thinking, and doing it all over again for many years.

Idiots want a shortcut, get intoxicated, out of their mind, and think something awesome happens. It doesn't and that's just nonsense. Expanding your mind comes from hard work, like everything really good, and that is it.
Well on its own, getting intoxicated doesn't expand your mind. Especially not ridiculously intoxicated.

Drugs are very enjoyable, but in order to expand your mind with them, you have to have the right experiences while high. And you have to be at the right level of high to comprehend what is happening.

If you read a book, or do some studying (not mathematics or engineering), listen to a lecture or ted talk or even just go outside and just explore the city and nightlife after a couple of bowls or a little dab, you will not only enjoy the experience much much more but also get more out of it.

Steve Jobs, while also just being an exceptional person on his own did a lot of acid and smoked a lot of weed because he believed it made him much more creative and gave him the ability to create unique things. But I bet you he didn't just drop a tab, smoke a bowl and get yucky with the boys (nothing wrong with that).
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Originally Posted By nutsy54
Personal choice, personal responsibility.
yet this does not apply to other drugs, as it should

everything should be legal, manufacturing should be controlled and licensed
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Originally Posted By MyBaddBrah
Because you forget about social conditioning which is a mental prison, and most likely the source for many cases of depression. Social conditioning = knowledge

The brain is a tool to be used, not a tool meant to use you.

Knowledge isn't the end all of consciousness. Otherwise these indian/asian nerds would be CEO's of Amercian companies, which they fail hard at.
What do you mean social conditioning is a mental prison?

Are you saying that someone could be socially conditioned to believe theyre forever isolated?

Your 2nd point is exactly my point. Removing the filters exposes you to everything and means youre at the mercy of the brain

When you have some sense of identity, a decision between right/wrong - also motivation to do something with it, you are NOT at the mercy of your brain. Youre using and distinct advantages to you
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as long as the govn't gets their cut , it's all good

alc companies pay billions to feds, and local courts clean up on dwi

the legal things will kill you faster than anything

scripts, boooze, cigs


all made by big corp in this country

they can't reg coke or smack , cuz it isn't made here


so they get their money by busting you for having it

america doesn't give a rats ass about your health , just how to get your money you earned


pretty obvious folks
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There is no valid argument to ban any drug. Just childish people wanting to defer their responsibility to daddy government.
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Originally Posted By krazy33
Yea, no im asking you to explain how its positive.

Ive posted the articles many times on here. Lsd research showed that it "opens up" the brain akin to that of an INFANTS.

I thought we were both talking ego death, but apprently you arent

I had very bad experiences with weed,and i know of many studies that show weeds side-effects. So while im not sure it should be banned, its not positive for everybody
Eating and sleeping more? lol. It definitely shouldn't be banned. Everything will be harmful to someone. Peanuts aren't banned and they outright kill drastically more people than weed ever has (which is 0.)
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Originally Posted By seanb1979
Eating and sleeping more? lol. It definitely shouldn't be banned. Everything will be harmful to someone. Peanuts aren't banned and they outright kill drastically more people than weed ever has (which is 0.)
Ok i agree with some of the reasons here, in regard to why the gvt. Bans them.

But i also dont think you want to see a society with everybody on drugs

And no not even close. Very bad. Dont want to discuss it but it was far worse than that
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Because alcohol is too deeply ingrained in Western culture to ever be banned. Prohibition in the US failed because it failed to take into account how central beer was to Germanic culture and wine to the culture of Italians. The main reason for its failure though was the fact prohibition only sought to interdict supply and not demand. It was illegal to sell alcohol but not to consume it. If you fail to reduce demand for a product through deterrence then you'll never successfully ban it. That's why the current war on drugs is failing so badly. Western governments, bound by international treaties, do almost nothing to punish consumption of drugs. The only two nations who do so are Japan and South Korea. And unsurprisingly they have low rates of drug use.
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Originally Posted By krazy33
What do you mean social conditioning is a mental prison?

Are you saying that someone could be socially conditioned to believe theyre forever isolated?

Your 2nd point is exactly my point. Removing the filters exposes you to everything and means youre at the mercy of the brain

When you have some sense of identity, a decision between right/wrong - also motivation to do something with it, you are NOT at the mercy of your brain. Youre using and distinct advantages to you
The idea is to stop thinking unless it's needed and just go with the flow. There are times for both. The latter is a more enlightening experience. Both activate different parts of the brain and dictate vastly different experiences for your consciousness.
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Originally Posted By MyBaddBrah
The idea is to stop thinking unless it's needed and just go with the flow. There are times for both. The latter is a more enlightening experience. Both activate different parts of the brain and dictate vastly different experiences for your consciousness.
Idk mane. I guess i like my identity

I feel like people should learn to like themselves more, not the opposite

I will agree with you, though. Socially its not that easy - in that, people want to bring you down
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Originally Posted By nutsy54
Personal choice, personal responsibility.
So what's your view on class As?

OP, they tried prohibition in the 20s, and it failed miserably. Humans need an escape from reality and alcohol provides this.
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Originally Posted By exyl
The government doesn't want to grant you access to chemicals that can expand your mind.

Alcohol keeps you at bay, and can even place you in a rut. And it's bad for you, it's literally poison. Your body rejects it. It numbs your senses and the government is okay with this
Take off your tin foil hat brah
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Originally Posted By exyl
The government doesn't want to grant you access to chemicals that can expand your mind.

Alcohol keeps you at bay, and can even place you in a rut. And it's bad for you, it's literally poison. Your body rejects it. It numbs your senses and the government is okay with this
Surprised it took 10 posts for some tinfoil- hat nut to appear

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Originally Posted By krazy33
Ok i agree with some of the reasons here, in regard to why the gvt. Bans them.

But i also dont think you want to see a society with everybody on drugs

And no not even close. Very bad. Dont want to discuss it but it was far worse than that
You already see that. Most people are on something. In fact the government and big pharma companies work together to get as many people on opioids and RX drugs as possible. And you'd be the *only* person I've ever heard of who has had horrible experiences with weed. Maybe it was laced with some ****.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012
Surprised it took 10 posts for some tinfoil- hat nut to appear

Edit- wizard above
ok then, explain the DEA's rulings on harmless drugs then... we will wait for your rational explanations
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Originally Posted By seanb1979
You already see that. Most people are on something. In fact the government and big pharma companies work together to get as many people on opioids and RX drugs as possible. And you'd be the *only* person I've ever heard of who has had horrible experiences with weed. Maybe it was laced with some ****.
Naw it happened a few times

At first it was ok

But then after one experience everytime after was like that

I dont feel like looking it up, but there are others on here that have had similar experiences to me, and as i said i know of studies.. perhaps ill post them at a different time
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Originally Posted By 420Layers
Well on its own, getting intoxicated doesn't expand your mind. Especially not ridiculously intoxicated.

Drugs are very enjoyable, but in order to expand your mind with them, you have to have the right experiences while high. And you have to be at the right level of high to comprehend what is happening.

If you read a book, or do some studying (not mathematics or engineering), listen to a lecture or ted talk or even just go outside and just explore the city and nightlife after a couple of bowls or a little dab, you will not only enjoy the experience much much more but also get more out of it.

Steve Jobs, while also just being an exceptional person on his own did a lot of acid and smoked a lot of weed because he believed it made him much more creative and gave him the ability to create unique things. But I bet you he didn't just drop a tab, smoke a bowl and get yucky with the boys (nothing wrong with that).
People who use drugs have issues, typically anxiety.

You can see people have massive anxiety from reading the misc.

What that causes is people second guessing themselves and their surroundings. So, when they do something like smoke weed it makes them artificially relaxed. Same thing with being drunk. Then, they can think and see things right in front of their face then couldn't before. That's because they have an internal running dialogue of anxiety.

Drugs aren't expanding the mind in this case they are dulling a part of it down.

Through thinking and looking at life sober, you can learn how to control anxiety and see the world around you.

Steve Jobs:

Probably had anxiety issues.

But, what I know he had to have was many many huge amounts of hours studying and working on computers. If one time he took some drug that reduced his anxiety, that has nothing to do with his success. Rather, sitting for hours for most of his life working on computers did have everything to do with his success.

Saying drugs create mental success is empowering people to give up and live in dream world.
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Originally Posted By Girlgoneweird
Not true. Lsd allows the user's brain to make connections with other parts of the brain that normally don't happen unless you're taking lsd. People are more creative and introspective. They have done MRI scans of "users" brains while on it and found some very interesting stuff.

Anyways lsd , dmt, weed, and mushrooms are all non-addictive.

Lsd is literally the safes drug out there. The LD50 of lsd hasn't even been found for humans yet and you can't smoke enough joints to OD on thc.





Alcohol on the other hand destroys people's lives and I haven't seen a single good thing come from people drinking alcohol. When's the last time you heard of a mind blowing invention being created when someone was drunk? I'd probably guess never.



The only thing that destroys people's lives on "hippie drugs" is that the cops will lock you up.....Ya know, so you won't destroy your life lol
Ha, crazy when you put it like that...

Psychadellics (sp?) should definitely be legal.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian
People who use drugs have issues, typically anxiety.

You can see people have massive anxiety from reading the misc.

What that causes is people second guessing themselves and their surroundings. So, when they do something like smoke weed it makes them artificially relaxed. Same thing with being drunk. Then, they can think and see things right in front of their face then couldn't before. That's because they have an internal running dialogue of anxiety.

Drugs aren't expanding the mind in this case they are dulling a part of it down.

Through thinking and looking at life sober, you can learn how to control anxiety and see the world around you.

Steve Jobs:

Probably had anxiety issues.

But, what I know he had to have was many many huge amounts of hours studying and working on computers. If one time he took some drug that reduced his anxiety, that has nothing to do with his success. Rather, sitting for hours for most of his life working on computers did have everything to do with his success.

Saying drugs create mental success is empowering people to give up and live in dream world.
Have you ever smoked weed before?
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Only American potheads say what OP says.
Alcohol is actually healthy unlike all other drugs, if consumed in moderation.
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I dont even drink and I find this thread retarded
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Originally Posted By MyBaddBrah
Have you ever smoked weed before?
Sure.

I've had pro grade stuff in Denver.

It's largely worthless.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian
Sure.

I've had pro grade stuff in Denver.

It's largely worthless.
its way better then popping *****
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian
Sure.

I've had pro grade stuff in Denver.

It's largely worthless.
"I've had one experience in my life with pot and I didn't like it, therefore weed is clearly bad for everyone and is only for socially awkward FAs and lowlifes."
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Originally Posted By wasp9166
as long as the govn't gets their cut , it's all good

alc companies pay billions to feds, and local courts clean up on dwi

the legal things will kill you faster than anything

scripts, boooze, cigs


all made by big corp in this country

they can't reg coke or smack , cuz it isn't made here


so they get their money by busting you for having it

america doesn't give a rats ass about your health , just how to get your money you earned


pretty obvious folks
Well the US govt. can place tariffs on heroin and *******, and that would eliminate the mafias and the ridiculous "war on drugs". SJWs use scare tactics like "the number of people driving on drugs will increase exponentially" etc. etc.
Originally Posted By seanb1979
You already see that. Most people are on something. In fact the government and big pharma companies work together to get as many people on opioids and RX drugs as possible. And you'd be the *only* person I've ever heard of who has had horrible experiences with weed. Maybe it was laced with some ****.
Some weed is bad weed and people can get a very negative trip. Had that happen with a brownie and I ended up getting horrific nightmares. It's been rare, though.
Originally Posted By TheAdlerian
People who use drugs have issues, typically anxiety.

You can see people have massive anxiety from reading the misc.

What that causes is people second guessing themselves and their surroundings. So, when they do something like smoke weed it makes them artificially relaxed. Same thing with being drunk. Then, they can think and see things right in front of their face then couldn't before. That's because they have an internal running dialogue of anxiety.

Drugs aren't expanding the mind in this case they are dulling a part of it down.

Through thinking and looking at life sober, you can learn how to control anxiety and see the world around you.

Steve Jobs:

Probably had anxiety issues.

But, what I know he had to have was many many huge amounts of hours studying and working on computers. If one time he took some drug that reduced his anxiety, that has nothing to do with his success. Rather, sitting for hours for most of his life working on computers did have everything to do with his success.

Saying drugs create mental success is empowering people to give up and live in dream world.
Anxiety cripples people mentally. If he had anxiety, then weed helped him to relax and focus on his work.

Anxiety makes it next to impossible to work productively as you have chest pains, hands shake, stomach pains, 3 trains of thought going through your head, and any fire drill at work just exacerbates that.

People who haven't experienced this high level of anxiety have no idea what sufferers go through. People think depression causes the highest number of suicides, but it's really anxiety because living like that is a complete hell-hole.
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