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post 1488307151 03-23-2017, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted By Girlgoneweird⏩
Sorry I meant that the way it makes them feel morally Superior is stupid not veganism in general. Like I said I was vegetarian for about two years . I do believe it is healthier and better for the environment.

Still don't know when people argue about it though.

It's just hard to keep up that diet when the rest of your family is not vegetarian.
People argue with one another to try to get the other individual to either change their mind, or accept their point of view. It can definitely be difficult to go vegetarian/vegan when the rest of your family eats a bunch of meat especially if you're not the one cooking, however every little bit helps. Even not giving up meat but eating less of it and encouraging your family to do the same can definitely be helpful. Maybe instead of eating meat in every meal, having one full veggie meal per day might help promote that change.
Originally Posted By OneManMatrix⏩
2 different things in my eyes... Do I believe in eating meat? Yes. My meat ate other meat at some stage, its just the way of the world...

But do I agree with animal cruelty? Of course not. If it's a clean, painless kill and the animal doesn't suffer, and is then used completely then I have no problem with it. I think the 2 issues need to be separated and that's where Vegan's have trouble using their brains... Probably due to a lack of protein.
If you don't agree with animal cruelty then you should do your best to avoid eating meat because the industry is extremely cruel. Even if the animals may be lucky to receive a quick and painless death (more than often times they don't) they still experience an awful life filled with abuse. This is especially true if you go to different countries and eat meat there. They treat the animals absolutely terribly youtube . com/watch?v=1yYzvS5GkqY (remove the spaces around dot to watch). You're ad hominem attacks are unnecessary and untrue.
My GF's sister is a hardcore Vegan and was complaining that the photographers on Planet Earth wouldn't stop and assist the animals they were filming while in their natural habitat. I argued for like 2 hours that interacting with them and assisting them would screw up their ecosystem, and probably kill off something else in the process as a domino effect, but the dumb ass wouldn't listen.
Your GF's sister was mistaken about that part but to say every single vegan has the same views is a ridiculous claim.
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If you really want to rile up the vegans, the next time you have a nice juicy steak you throw it on IG and use #vegan. Watch as the angry vegans descend upon your profile and threaten your life. You'll be sitting there eating popcorn like MJ
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Originally Posted By theACEofSPADES⏩
If you really want to rile up the vegans, the next time you have a nice juicy steak you throw it on IG and use #vegan. Watch as the angry vegans descend upon your profile and threaten your life. You'll be sitting there eating popcorn like MJ
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Originally Posted By theACEofSPADES⏩
If you really want to rile up the vegans, the next time you have a nice juicy steak you throw it on IG and use #vegan. Watch as the angry vegans descend upon your profile and threaten your life. You'll be sitting there eating popcorn like MJ
I could torture a dog, break its legs, skin it alive, cut its throat, and then post pictures of nice juicy dog meat and watch all the meat eaters get angry about it. Hell I could post a bunch of videos from China where people boil and skin dogs alive and you'd all be rustled. What's your point?
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Originally Posted By natr12⏩
Looks and probably does taste good, but i wont let an animal be tortured its entire life so i can enjoy a few moments of pleasure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSGTsjkHzM4
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Originally Posted By theACEofSPADES⏩
If you really want to rile up the vegans, the next time you have a nice juicy steak you throw it on IG and use #vegan. Watch as the angry vegans descend upon your profile and threaten your life. You'll be sitting there eating popcorn like MJ
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Let's take a break from meat eaters and vegan moral discussions. There's bigger things

Seventeen countries in Africa are dealing with drought. About 20+ million people are at risk
https://www.irinnews.org/feature/201...ht-africa-2017
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Originally Posted By Khaloyan⏩
Let's take a break from meat eaters and vegan moral discussions. There's bigger things

Seventeen countries in Africa are dealing with drought. About 20+ million people are at risk
irinnews. org/feature/2017/03/17/drought-africa-2017
Obviously this an issue of concern, however I have no knowledge of what one should do in order to fix these sort of droughts and most people already know that droughts are bad and there are likely highly qualified professionals already targeting the problem. Therefore its more important to bring awareness to issues that we ourselves are directly responsible for that can be changed (btw factory farming is responsible for droughts in many areas of the world as well as widespread deforestation in locations such as the Brazilian rainforest). I'm also curious as to what you and your friend exactly argued about.
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Originally Posted By natr12⏩
People argue with one another to try to get the other individual to either change their mind, or accept their point of view. It can definitely be difficult to go vegetarian/vegan when the rest of your family eats a bunch of meat especially if you're not the one cooking, however every little bit helps. Even not giving up meat but eating less of it and encouraging your family to do the same can definitely be helpful. Maybe instead of eating meat in every meal, having one full veggie meal per day might help promote that change.
But arguing does no good. There is tons of info out there on the benefits of vegetarianism (I personally think most times vegan is not healthy because it is very restricting)

People can look up the information themselves and we should all just leave others to live their lives the way they see fit. Lead by example and if that changes someone's mind great if not oh well.


Since I started weight lifting 2 years ago and eating healthy, non-processed food, my husband has lost weight and my kids eat healthy now too.
It actually did start a change in our family and we no longer eat crap food.. just took a while for everyone else to get on board.

My husband comes from a line of chefs so he really likes to cook ( in b4 cuck) he loves meat way too much to ever become a vegetarian lol we do eat more vegetables though.
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Originally Posted By natr12⏩
I'm also curious as to what you and your friend exactly argued about.
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saw a post with Larry Wheels deadlifting a chit ton of weight
post to vegan friend
came to nutrition by accident and how it's not possible for vegans to perform such feats
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Originally Posted By CherryPopinski⏩
Is it morally wrong how animals are treated for food? Yes. Do I need to eat meat to maintain a healthy lifestyle? I'd say yes, no amount of soy and beans can replace a good steak or piece of chicken.
Meat- no
Animal products (eggs) I'd say yes.

You can be a healthy vegan or vegetarian it just takes more planning to make sure you are getting the right vitamins and nutrients.

I made myself try a lot of new foods while vegetarian.
I have NO idea what I'd eat if I was vegan though..Must take some discipline!!

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Originally Posted By Girlgoneweird⏩
Meat- no
Animal products (eggs) I'd say yes.

You can be a healthy vegan or vegetarian it just takes more planning to make sure you are getting the right vitamins and nutrients.

I made myself try a lot of new foods while vegetarian.
I have NO idea what I'd eat if I was vegan though..Must take some discipline!!

Breakfast- salad
Lunch - kale with water
Dinner- ice cubes
There are so many options you have no idea. I eat different every day, and the food is hnggg
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Originally Posted By Khaloyan⏩
cliffs
saw a post with Larry Wheels deadlifting a chit ton of weight
post to vegan friend
came to nutrition by accident and how it's not possible for vegans to perform such feats
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You know that the only American weight lifter to compete at the Rio olympics games was vegan right? Look up Kendrick Ferris.
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Originally Posted By natr12⏩
I'd say its the exact opposite when it comes to vegans. We can dish out facts out all day but people will still come up with ridiculous arguments.
You don't though. Every vegan has the same old scientific fallacies they regurgitate, and when those are proven wrong they default to "BUT MEAT IS MURDER !!!!!"

I don't mind vegans so long as they're honest. Most aren't, they cling to pseudo-science rather than just admit it's emotional.
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Originally Posted By nzgs⏩
You don't though. Every vegan has the same old scientific fallacies they regurgitate, and when those are proven wrong they default to "BUT MEAT IS MURDER !!!!!"

I don't mind vegans so long as they're honest. Most aren't, they cling to pseudo-science rather than just admit it's emotional.
I think everything I've said in this thread has been pretty accurate. Also what fallacies are you talking about exactly?
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Let's hear some of those logical fallacies you seem to speak of.
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Agree, and I barely even eat meat (no homo). Some chicken/fish when eating out, otherwise vegetarian. It's never good enough for them, though. If you even look at leather or touch an egg they berate you.
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cant take vegans seriously


complaining about animal suffering wearing their nike shoes
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Originally Posted By Arsenal01⏩
cant take vegans seriously


complaining about animal suffering wearing their nike shoes
that's like someone torturing a dog in their basement and then saying they think you're wrong because you're using a laptop. It's ridiculous.
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Originally Posted By natr12⏩
that's like someone torturing a dog in their basement and then saying they think you're wrong because you're using a laptop. It's ridiculous.
my laptop wasnt made by tourtured kids?
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Originally Posted By xam1996⏩
There are so many options you have no idea. I eat different every day, and the food is hnggg
Are they pretty easy meals though? I am on a high protein diet right now and it's hard for me to even force myself to eat meat with each meal... I loved carbs and dairy!

Pasta, bread, cheese was 90% of my diet before last week.





I'm not giving up eggs but I am giving up dairy since I am lactose intolerant so now I need to expand my diet
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Originally Posted By Arsenal01⏩
my laptop wasnt made by tourtured kids?
Add a b to the front.

bc.co.uk/news/amp/35311456B

Also are you saying that kids working for a wage in factories like Nike ones is worse than what happens to these pigs?

Remove the spaces around the .
www . animalrights.nl/animal-rights-filmt-mishandeling-van-varkens-slachthuis-tielt


Last time they shut down a child labour sweatshop like the ones Nike has, the result was that the children who used to work at the plant had to become child prositutes in order to bring their family money.
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Originally Posted By natr12⏩
Add a b to the front.

bc.co.uk/news/amp/35311456B
damn, cant trust any company nowadays. You need a certain level of evil to make it now.


My biggest pet peeve tho are all these animal right ralleys...california banning foie gras, death threats to business owners all this before we take a stand for other humans.


anyway keep doing your thing bro..all the best in it...I cant worry too much about animals as long as theres still human suffering happening in as much abundance as there have been
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Originally Posted By Arsenal01⏩
damn, cant trust any company nowadays. You need a certain level of evil to make it now.


My biggest pet peeve tho are all these animal right ralleys...california banning foie gras, death threats to business owners all this before we take a stand for other humans.


anyway keep doing your thing bro..all the best in it...I cant worry too much about animals as long as theres still human suffering happening in as much abundance as there have been
I don't like when people get violent but there's no harm in protesting. Foie gras was banned because the method used was just too cruel for people who eat meat. I am however against death threats and other violent methods. You can also worry about human issues as well as animal issues at the same time. In fact I'd say it takes less effort helping animals than it does helping humans. With helping animals, all you have to do is reduce meat consumption and replace some of your meals with vegetarian/vegan replacements. E.g instead of ordering a burger, you can get the veggie burger option. Instead of using milk, you can use some almond or soy milk instead.With helping humans however, you would have to sacrifice a lot of money, time, and effort in order to achieve something.
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Originally Posted By natr12⏩
I think everything I've said in this thread has been pretty accurate. Also what fallacies are you talking about exactly?
-human teeth made to eat plants
-meat is bad for you
-meat causes cancer

Probably more I missed but those all have about zero scientific proof for them. The proof is to the contrary, that lean meat is healthy for you. Provides important nutrients and cancer fighting properties.

Also I probably think fatty meat is healthy for you. Problem is studies often group fatty meat eaters with other bad life habits (smoking, no exercise, etc)

From Lyle McDonald:

Since everybody is losing their crap over this new study on PROCESSED meats and cancer risk. Read this and memorize it please. feel free to post it on anybody's wall who shares this nonsensical garbage.

Typical high processed meat diet = lots of fatty red meat overcooked. Minimal fruit and veggies. Stress, alcohol, smoking, no exercise, excess bodyfat. Of course it's unhealthy. In the context of the other half a dozen bsad health habits.

Typical lean red meat diet = lean red meat, lean people, exercise, plenty of fruits and vegetables.

Bad health habits almost always cluster together.
So do good habits.

Trying to isolate out a single bad health habit among a string of them is a losing battle and the research showing that LEAN red meat improves health, that meat has a number of importance health and ANTI-CANCER nutrients are numerous.

MULTI-FACTORIAL. everyone needs this tatted on their head.

No, I am NOT saying that processed meats are healthy. I am saying that the jump from highly processed meats to ALL meats is as dumb as the jump from high-fat diets to ALL fats. Meats are not a single category of foods. There are lean meats, fatty meats and everything in-between. They have different effects and read this carefully

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Originally Posted By natr12⏩
Add a b to the front.

bc.co.uk/news/amp/35311456B

Also are you saying that kids working for a wage in factories like Nike ones is worse than what happens to these pigs?

Remove the spaces around the .
www . animalrights.nl/animal-rights-filmt-mishandeling-van-varkens-slachthuis-tielt


Last time they shut down a child labour sweatshop like the ones Nike has, the result was that the children who used to work at the plant had to become child prositutes in order to bring their family money.
That's really sad

Thing is until it becomes more convienient to buy fair trade, organic, or healthy food, people are going to go with the flow because it's easier.

The government makes it hard/expensive for people to buy fair trade and healthy food because they have a system in place that puts money in their back pockets.

Just like how they won't change over to all grass fed beef even though it would almost completely rid our beef supply of E**** bacteria. It's easier to keep feeding them corn and crap and not fix the system. They just put other measures in place to "fix" the problems of the system (like washing our meat with amonia)



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It's this simple: people go vegan to prevent as much unnecessary animal suffering as possible

Being vegan you can put on just as much muscle mass, strength, and size. I've been vegan 15 months, and I can still bench 350 at 180, deadlift 500+ no problems, still just as lean and have as much muscle, etc.

It's not hard at all. You just have to know what to do.
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I feel better when I don't eat meat. I had a quinoa bowl today with tons of good stuff like avocado, chives, pickled gherkin, spinach, etc, and it tasted great plus was totally guilt-free.
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Vegans have the morally, ethically and scientifically superior argument. There is no reason to argue with them because you will lose.

Just say you like eating meat because it tastes good and that's that.
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