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Originally Posted By ZenBowman
This.

Where we ought to draw the line is with recasting historical characters.

A white MLK or a black Thomas Jefferson in a movie would be ludicrous, but mythology always leaves room for artistic freedom.

If you get outraged by this, congratulations!

You are now an SJW.
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Originally Posted By American
There is no such thing. But if the DMT death trip lasts "forever" or like if in the last ten seconds of life, each millisecond counts for a year of earth time, I want to go to Valhalla
1) There is a heaven
2) A heaven taken to by some black valkyrie is in fact what I envision
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Originally Posted By blckndyllw
Cringe
Lol yea but I didn't explain it earlier.

Valkyrie is second most important figure and she's now black. Director is a Jew.

It's bullchit brah.



I'm not outraged. Not even mad. Just calling it like it is.
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Originally Posted By ZenBowman
This.

Where we ought to draw the line is with recasting historical characters.

A white MLK or a black Thomas Jefferson in a movie would be ludicrous, but mythology always leaves room for artistic freedom.

If you get outraged by this, congratulations!

You are now an SJW.
Wiat wit

U a sjw cuz u want the live action version of the character to be the one you are most similar with in looks and characterization?

Azazel batman or ben Reilly Spiderman would also have similar outrage.
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Originally Posted By American
It's the kind that get cut off your body with a blade if you're not legit srs.


But also it sucks because y'all don't understand this, but the Valkyrie is actually the second most important figure in Norse mythology.

The Valkyrie is the blonde haired blue eyed goddess that will pick my dead body up and carry me to Valhalla. Just lol at her being black.
Yeah alright mate who the fuk is going to come cut your chitty fukin pagan tattoo off with a knife. You on a Sons of Anarchy marathon or some stupid chit?

She ain't pickin up your stupid fukin corpse and taking you anywhere, because she is a fairy tell and doesnt exist. You think they also ride in on rainbows do ya?


Lmfao fukin miscers always up to some goofy fukin chit.

The pagan mafia out there slicing tattoos off people LMAO


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Originally Posted By ImpressiveGainz
1) There is a heaven
2) A heaven taken to by some black valkyrie is in fact what I envision
1. Same people that believe this would have trouble spotting this character change as an attack.

2. Say this to my face not online and let's see what happens.
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Didnt Hollywood make Memnon white in the mummy when he was ethiopian?
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Originally Posted By American
1. Same people that believe this would have trouble spotting this character change as an attack.

2. Say this to my face not online and let's see what happens.
Your pagan gods dont exist and are basically fairy tales for adults


This entire movie is based off a comic book that is loosely based off nordic mythos


Your god, who happens to be played by an aussie bogan happens to be the work buddy of a green monster with anger issues


Please tell me at what point you lost the plot between fiction and reality























How outraged are you that this crazy mofo is gonna kill off all your nordic gods?
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Originally Posted By bongowongo
Your pagan gods dont exist and are basically fairy tales for adults


This entire movie is based off a comic book that is loosely based off nordic mythos


Your god, who happens to be played by an aussie bogan happens to be the work buddy of a green monster with anger issues


Please tell me at what point you lost the plot between fiction and reality























How outraged are you that this crazy mofo is gonna kill off all your nordic gods?
Just playing devils advocate with the religion argument; but this is the dude that kills the Nordic gods, and he's pretty cool too:

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I swear, you anti-SJWs who get triggered about any time the ethnicity or sex of a character is changed are 100 times worse than any SJW

Rule of thumb:

If the ethnicity or sex is vital for the character to work (for example Huckleberry Finn can´t be a black guy) then you should keep it. Otherwise, i don´t give a fuk
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Originally Posted By ThinkingLifter
I swear, you anti-SJWs who get triggered about any time the ethnicity or sex of a character is changed are 100 times worse than any SJW

Rule of thumb:

If the ethnicity or sex is vital for the character to work (for example Huckleberry Finn can´t be a black guy) then you should keep it. Otherwise, i don´t give a fuk
you are the type of passive cuck swede that calls himself a "Anarcho-socialist"... the same cuck swede that loves his country where the new most popular rising name is mohammad and where the diversity of his people are being wiped away by arabs. the same cuck who lives in a country that pretends rape isnt up by over 80% and that islam isnt a rape culture. yeah lets take your advice on history and where we go from here. From viking to biggest pussy on earth.
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Originally Posted By ThinkingLifter
I swear, you anti-SJWs who get triggered about any time the ethnicity or sex of a character is changed are 100 times worse than any SJW

Rule of thumb:

If the ethnicity or sex is vital for the character to work (for example Huckleberry Finn can´t be a black guy) then you should keep it. Otherwise, i don´t give a fuk
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People want the live action version to be the same as the one they've known since forever. Not hard to grasp.

Ppl were complaining that Daniel Craig had blond hair
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Originally Posted By blckndyllw
Brb Gods of Egypt



Damn SJW Hollywood and their whitewashing of other cultures
Hollywood has been whitewashing for literally decades.

The ethnik-washing is mostly superfluous and just surface level virtue signaling but whitewashing is a much longer standing and consentant trend in our culture
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I care more that they picked a bad actor, she was chit in Creed.
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Originally Posted By FIREnICE
how many fukking times have we talked about this shiit movie on here? the chinese wanted a white star to attract ALL markets. nobody wants white washing numbnuts.

not only that, he traveled to the wall, fought monsters... and the character wasn't based on any REAL character so white washing in this case is negligible.

whole different set of rules when it's mythology and the character IS a certain race/look. let's start casting african and japanese gods as white why don't we.

there's a reason i haven't watched a movie in half a year and will probably never pay to watch one at theaters. hollywood doesn't deserve my money.
Thor is loosely inspired by Norse mythology. It isn't the exact same

IIRC there was a black deity in the first thor film too btw
Originally Posted By Jaroctor
Major is white in the books and anime.
She is not.

The original writers just released those statements to appease the audience that it wasn't white washing.

There is no proof she is white and she has a japanese name and everyone else in the series is asian so its safe to assume her shell is of an asian woman
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Originally Posted By dinopoop
i care more that they picked a bad actor, she was chit in creed.
its actressyou fuking racist nazi white male.
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Originally Posted By BaconBackBrah
Thor is loosely inspired by Norse mythology. It isn't the exact same

IIRC there was a black deity in the first thor film too btw



She is not.

The original writers just released those statements to appease the audience that it wasn't white washing.

There is no proof she is white and she has a japanese name and everyone else in the series is asian so its safe to assume her shell is of an asian woman
yeah but "she" is just a consciousnesses... so why not just cast it as a male and pretend its the same thing...
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Originally Posted By American
Using that logic companies would use the white patriarch indefinitely.
See the lead character of the last 10 blockbusters.

The ethnics are just pandering. The only way they can get away with it is with something high profile with a gigantic fanbase like starwars
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My sister works with a lot of Americans in her job

she was taken aback by how...mentally unwell a lot of you are. Deranged sense of fear and self obsession.

That and you would be obsessed with race...and u would see it everywhere. We're seriously discussing a mid tier character in the third movie of the MCUs weakest movie franchise. Ya, really. There seems to be a perpetual race war going on in america...except the more I examine it, it has a lot less to do with race and more to do with a very american illness of character. It should not be surprised that on a forum full of virgins and bitter women hating FA's, that people get offended at chit like this. The pattern should be emerging that miscers, like their SJW compatriots, use their hate for the other side to mask their hate of themselves.
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Originally Posted By Mparserz
I swear, it's like some of you are logically impaired. The reason Hollywood casts whites into these roles is because they want to choose actors that will get them the most positive outcome for their investment. When Hollywood casts white actors such as these(popular by the way), they're hoping their notoriety will get people to the theaters. What I always ask people that have objections to casting like this is, who would you have cast instead if you were a casting agent and your career depended on it. Remember, you're trying to get as many people interested in the film as possible. I'm willing to bet the people crying foul here couldn't even name actors that could compete with the ones chosen for the roles.

Tom Cruise was the biggest actor in the world at the time that that film was made. Hollywood would have found some way to fit him in an Eskimo movie if they could.

By the way, expect films to get more racist, western-wise than before. The Chinese movie going public is becoming a big influence in Hollywood. If you thought you were ever going to see a black James Bond, say good bye to that dream and so on. Chinese do not respond well movies that are predominant in black leads or concept. Money talks. And right now, the money is in China. And they don't adhere to the same political correct bs we do here in the states.
strong this. i know jack chit about economics but it's easy to see that hollywood and their "whitewashing" is simple supply and demand

the moment the market demands having X race in X role then hollywood will do exactly that

brb in the 1970s you had white guys playing asian guys then bruce lee came along and fukt chit up
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Originally Posted By Tswizzle
strong this. i know jack chit about economics but it's easy to see that hollywood and their "whitewashing" is simple supply and demand

the moment the market demands having X race in X role then hollywood will do exactly that

brb in the 1970s you had white guys playing asian guys then bruce lee came along and fukt chit up
So why are people caring about the pandering.

It's just simple economics, you anti-SJW cuckservative cucks are doing their bidding, free publicity and the liberals could potentially get them more money if they actually watch the vitriol
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Originally Posted By bongowongo
I'm all for characters being cast given the race they are in the comics ... But let's take a step back here, sometimes the choices directors make is absolutely the right choice and it pays off.

Samuel L Jackson or a black Nick Fury was absolute genius in casting and even the comics have made Fury black to reflect it because I think it fits the role better.


Aquaman in the comics is a blonde, blue eyed caucasian and I love Aquaman in the comics, but having a Samoan and Carl Drogo play him again was the best choice they could have ever made because it makes more sense for the king of the seas to be an Islander.



Some of you *******s just go out of your way to be outraged by everything like the SJW's ... retards on both sides.
For the record, I don't give a flying fukk through a donut hole who they cast in these superhero movies. These comic book movies are a dime a dozen and most of them suck regardless.

That said, I don't see how your comparisons make any sense. Your Samuel L. Jackson example makes enough sense to me as a reasonable change, and your exanple of Aquaman making more sense as an Islander than a blonde white guy makes perfect sense. But a brown chick playing a Nordic goddess? Sorry, but I can't suspend my disbelief enough to consider that anything other than a corny SJW move, as it transcends made up comic characters into the idea that a brown woman can literally be Nordic now. Especially when you consider the bitch's comment about the last "brown" chick "looking lonely in the last Thore movies". Pretty blatant racist concept to speak like that.

In short - when changing a character's ethnicity either makes more sense than the original idea (your Aquaman as an Islander example) or it flat out doesn't matter (Hispanic Wolverine or something) as it pertains to the story, then fine, whatever. But changing a Nordic goddess into a brown woman is like making a movie based on the legend of Mohammed Ali with a fat slob as Ali (complete opposite of what he was) and claiming it still makes sense as a concept. And no, I don't think it's any better when they have whities playing Egyptians and chit.
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SJWs and their counterpart (see ITT) are both equally annoying and get triggered and offended over the stupidest chit
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Originally Posted By BaconBackBrah
So why are people caring about the pandering.

It's just simple economics, you anti-SJW cuckservative cucks are doing their bidding, free publicity and the liberals could potentially get them more money if they actually watch the vitriol
who the phuck are you talking about "their bidding"? are you dense? you think hollywood is run by some 0.001% rothchild family member that preaches white people are the greatest race so we'll have them star in a MOVIE

go to china and you'll see movies with nothing but asian people. why? because asian people are pushing an asian power agenda? no you fkn moron it's because their market demands it
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Countdown for the number of white, asian, latino, and inuit actors being cast for the Black Panther movie.


For diversity.


Joking aside, even as someone who loves Norse Mythology, I'd say it all depends on a few factors in the end because this isn't "Norse Mythology," it's (another) bloody Marvel movie, set in an interconnected universe with a talking raccoon, where the US looks up to a roided out Boy Scout, and Paul Rudd isnotan actor who always plays the dopey protagonist in straight to video romantic comedies.

Right off the bat, I'll say that I knownothingabout Marvel comics other than what I've seen in the movies or seen in news headlines, and I had never evenheardof "Thor" the super hero until they were making a movie about it. So where I can see this type of casting work is if they had truly committed to differentiating the "Marvel" mythos drawing from the Norse mythology like you would see in any other fantasy creation inspired by reality or ideas created in our understanding of reality.

In real life, we all recognize that geography dictates the inspirational roots of mythologies across the world, with the figures within those representing the local populace who envisioned them in the first place. Therefore, while we can also see Norse mythology as a pantheon of white men and women (when human, mind you), I think the reasonable expectation foranycreative body, such as Marvel and their projects, is to either exercise the same continuity if they are merely drawing ashallowextension from this original source,orto put some effort into the world-building in the same vein as Tolkein with Lord of the Rings or George R. R. Martin with Game of Thrones.

Using the latter to illustrate this, consider the world we see in HBO's Game of Thrones and Westeros, in which we do see a world based on the prototypical, fantasy Europe.Butwe also see well beyond that, with regions representing other corners of the Earth we know. We just don't see Missandei and Grey Worm hanging out at The Wall, or Starks sunbathing in Essos - not without taking a trip. Traditionally, Asgard could be paralleled with "The North," but what if Marvel's conception of Asgard stretches from WesterostoEssos in land, climate, and people - all joined together under the same culture, pantheon, and alliance?

After all, if Asgard was an extension of the Norse's exposure, and Marvel's mythos is an expansion more representative of ours, it seems a bit like how Christianity has spread across today's world, spanning numerous regions and their respective races.
Spoiler!
Looks like it's working to me.

Specifically regarding the casting choice, knowing nothing about the comics, inrealNorse Mythology, it's not like there is only one "Valkyrie," there are multiple. So expanding upon the idea that Marvel's idea of Asgard is more representative of our diverse greater planet, maybe there areotherValryries flying around who aren't black, too? And if that simply isn't how Marvel's mythology rolls with their Valkyrie policy... eh? That's further proof that this is meant to represent the original ideas as Mario Kart does with Italy.

Depending on they go about it,the onus rests upon the creators to justify all of these choices in the end. If the movie leaves you scratching your head why randomly dark skinned people were wondering about in the winter wilds of Asgard, then the creatorsfailedto do theirone joband establish a consistent world that does not disrupt immersion through its own foibles or inconsistencies.

Lastly, and emphasizing again as someone who truly does love Norse culture, I'd say that overall this is agood thingas a more general matter, as we are in an age when white supremacists, bigots, and racists want to pervert all of these concepts to serve their insular, backwards attitudes.

Personally, I am more than happy to raise a horn with any man or woman regardless of their race or creed to preserve the good in a part of mankind's history, as it is something that we should all be able to share and celebrate.

We can't let the idea of Social Justice Warriors suddenly make us diametrically oppose everythingresembling"social justice," or we would be no better. In today's climate, seeing people of different races and faiths contributing to keep another culture at risk of being corrupted by c*nts for a positive message is awesome. The vikings were travelers and explorers who spanned the globe insearchof new discoveries, new people, new cultures, and new experiences - the furthest thing from the bunch of narrow-minded, insular, unwelcoming twats who want nothing more than a new swastika and hate cult.


And if that isn't enough, at least they can't cast Scarlett Johansson and her non-acting ass.
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I'm in the camp that thinks a female thor is retarded, Black Iron Ma..Woman/Maiden is puzzling and a female Wolverine makes no sense because these are characters and not what I consider to be a "mantle" that they can take up and continue on with the legacy.

But the beauty of this is end of the day these are all stories, stories change, stories evolve .. Some for the better, some for the worse. People need to have the creative license to change things up and see what works and what doesnt because it keeps things fresh and gives you a new perspective. It's all about the risks and rewards and you never know if you might actually end up liking it.

When Bruce Wayne died and they had Night Wing take up the role of Batman that was one of my favorite runs and I was sad to see it end because Dick Grayson was such a good Batman and I loved him in the role and would have loved to see him be Batman for a few good years before they brought back Bruce again.
Agreed about those choices they made, and I would qualify those first examples as part of a larger problem in Hollywood and creative media in general: Reusing, Recycling, Replacing and Regurgitating the same properties with different faces like we're all too stupid to notice the switcheroo.

There seems to be discouraging lack of pure audacity to create something completely new, hence why we see so many reboots and remakes featuring cast changes to retain some semblance of familiarity. Honestly, I think a lot of the modern over-sensitivity over race and casting could be completely averted if thecreatorsdid their bloody job andcreatedbrand new properties and characters more often. Even properly constructed, but loosely connected spin-offs set within the same universe could work far better by taking the previously established and familiar fiction, only to completely take it somewhere different.

Yes, itisharder, but you know what? Contemporary media has been digging its own grave for years now by constantly employing the same strategy of remixing the old with minor tweaks, and then the higher ups wonder why profits are down. What incentive is there to see the "new" Ghostbusters if it was sh*tting on the original with a bunch of Bridesmaids replacing beloved characters? Unless they can truly outdo the original, many of today's "efforts" are a discredit to creativity and craftmanship. Flashy bullsh*t only flies in other countries where they're in it for the visual flare over substance, but audiences such as those in the US are surrounded by forms of emerging, new material thatdoesstretch the boundaries of storytelling. Standards are rising thanks to competition that actually gives a damn and is willing to break new ground that hasn't been beaten into the dirt.

As you noted with your experience in the Batman shift, the true test of mettle will invariably come down to the creators themselves and their writing, directing, editing, production, ect. Unfortunately, hitching a ride with some social justice courtship has become an easy ride for at least short-term success, as it carries its own personal bodyguards who will defend the creative, or lack thereof, decisions on behalf of the creators themselves, while they rake in an easy paycheck from those very same vapid morons.
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Originally Posted By Tswizzle
who the phuck are you talking about "their bidding"? are you dense? you think hollywood is run by some 0.001% rothchild family member that preaches white people are the greatest race so we'll have them star in a MOVIE

go to china and you'll see movies with nothing but asian people. why? because asian people are pushing an asian power agenda? no you fkn moron it's because their market demands it
And you dont think Hollywood increasing diversity is for economic reasons?
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Prob should cut back the adderal dosage.

Edit: I copy and pasted your manifesto into word. At size 12 font it is 3 pages, and 1,183 words.

Jesus christ bro.
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Originally Posted By jimmyjabbar
And you dont think Hollywood increasing diversity is for economic reasons?
If it did lead to increased profits, that would suggest they would sell more tickets, which then suggest thats what more people want to see.

The whole purpose of movies, is to sell movie tickets, so yes they would absolutely pander to whatever the majority wants. However I don't think that is what has happened her at all.
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