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Originally Posted By GenghisBro
He is not the best boxer in his weight class. People likeRocky Marciano, Muhhamed Ali, and George Foreman have better records than him.

The problem with him was he relied too much on his athleticism and more technical boxers like Holyfield shut his game plan down.
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Originally Posted By GravityLee
Youre like one of those 5'2" 130 lb losers that knows every sports teams roster but never played the game. In your head you should be an anchor on espn but to all of us youre the cousin with downs aunt betty took to every home game
Hahaha that's what I was thinking too, glad you responded to him for me.

To the guy you quoted, I used to be able to name more boxers and used to watch it a decent amount but it's been years and can't remember. Most boxers I watched weren't heavy weight. Stop acting so pretentious. You come across like a D bag trying to flex your knowledge, at least in the way you are. Sure, there may be some others who were greater than Tyson but instead of calling out others (like you did me) just post in the thread with your input nicely and enjoy the thread, people will actually listen to you that way.
Originally Posted By MBisonSon
Thing with big guys nobody takes into account are body shots.

If Tyson nail you in the right spot on your body it's over.

Same time Big Show is huge and an adept wrestler so it's practically impossible to avoid him getting caught in his reach.

If you ask me, mind you I'm a boxing fan, Big Show would wreck him and most boxers cause

Yes you can hit him while he comes in but that's still 400 Lbs. moving at you quicker than 400 Lbs should move with a giant wingspann.
I sort of agree. I think The Mountain (or other guys his size) would win. Also because its not like he's a pencil at 7-8 feet tall whatever he is, he lifts and has a strong neck too.

It would be cool to see the biggest most deadly hand to hand combat warrior of basically all humans, even though we can't know that for sure.
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Tyson fan, but prime Foreman would have killed him, srs. Foreman never even looked like he was even trying. Half of his fights he would hit the other guy with a seemingly average shot and then just stand back and watch them fall. Wish there was a highlight vid of his body shot knockouts. Even guys using today's modern gear can't obtain foreman primes physique, no homo.
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Tyson was a perfect storm of boxing fury

but his life was also a perfect storm of fkery that led to his downfall.

1. pimp father he never knew. prostitue mother. mother died when he was like 14.
2. cus d'amato dying shortly before he became champion. definitly damaged him mentally.
3. jim jacobs dying shortly after he became champion. both father figures dead.
4. married a woman who turned out to be a manipulator and gold digger.
5. only 22 years old further manipulated by don king who convinced Tyson to fire his whole team. now every person who actually cared about mikes well being is gone. surrounded by people who dont care and just want money.
6. false rape charge, 4 years in prison which could have been his really prime years.
7. he came into boxing too soon. there was not any real amazing fighters in the 80's. he came into boxing like 4 years to soon. he never fought any greats of the 90's while he was in his prime.
Tyson after prison didn't really care anymore, boxing was just for show and money. he never trained properly but could still dominate most just based off his raw talent from the previous years of training.

Mike Tyson probably had it harder than anybody else in proffesional sports. the amount of pressure and spotlight put on him at a young age with the amount of fkery going on from his personal life. anybody in mike tysons shoes would have self destructed lol

I like the first 14 minutes of this video

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Originally Posted By BustaCapp
- African American genetics, hand picked to survive the Atlantic crossing and be productive as an animal.
- Insane talent.
- Abused as a child. Strong fire of rage burning in that belly.
- Hand picked from young age and trained to observe strict discipline.
- Perfect storm to create the most furious and invincible fighting machine the world has ever seen.

No other person in known history has met that criteria.

Prove me wrong.

That one legged KO power is amazing.
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Originally Posted By GenghisBro
The problem with him was he relied too much on his athleticism and more technical boxers like Holyfield shut his game plan down.
huh? Tyson was a very calculated boxer when he actually cared about boxing

holyfield wasa technical? all of his fights turned into brawls and he took tons of beatings because of it rofl
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Not tough enough to KO confirmed garbage man Buster Douglas.
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When Tyson says before the fight "If I dont kill him it dont count"

then he gives you this look from across the ring

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Originally Posted By xXBrutalXx
People usually libs refuse to show him respect because he is white.
Originally Posted By Purfected
huh? Tyson was a very calculated boxer when he actually cared about boxing

holyfield wasa technical? all of his fights turned into brawls and he took tons of beatings because of it rofl
And he lost to him twice.
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Originally Posted By GenghisBro
People usually libs refuse to show him respect because he is white.



And he lost to him twice.
as if tyson was the same fighter after prison
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prime tyson = hot knife thru butter
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He was actualy a very insecure guy back then. He acted like that to hide his insecurities he talks about it himself.
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Prime Tyson couldn't even knock out a mid-30s prison guard who didn't become a professional boxer until age 28.



Now how would he have done against a prime Ali or Foreman? Let's put things into perspective here.
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Originally Posted By Purfected
as if tyson was the same fighter after prison
In conclusion he is not the best heavy weight of his time. He lost to his biggest rival Holyfield. That doesn't take away that Iron Mike is one of the best boxers of his time, but facts are facts and winning records speak for themselves. There are other contenders in the heavyweight class who have better p4p resume than his.
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Originally Posted By CommonPheasant
Prime Tyson couldn't even knock out a mid-30s prison guard who didn't become a professional boxer until age 28.



Now how would he have done against a prime Ali or Foreman? Let's put things into perspective here.
"mike tyson sucks because he didn't knock out every fighter he ever faced in the first 3 rounds therefore he was never good"

>tyson fought fighters who were past their prime thats why he won early in his career
>omg lennox lewis and holyfield destroyed past his prime tyson.

tyson hater logic
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Originally Posted By GenghisBro
In conclusion he is not the best heavy weight of his time. He lost to his biggest rival Holyfield. That doesn't take away that Iron Mike is one of the best boxers of his time, but facts are facts and winning records speak for themselves. There are other contenders in the heavyweight class who have better p4p resume than his.
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Originally Posted By Purfected
Tyson was a perfect storm of boxing fury

but his life was also a perfect storm of fkery that led to his downfall.

1. pimp father he never knew. prostitue mother. mother died when he was like 14.
2. cus d'amato dying shortly before he became champion. definitly damaged him mentally.
3. jim jacobs dying shortly after he became champion. both father figures dead.
4. married a woman who turned out to be a manipulator and gold digger.
5. only 22 years old further manipulated by don king who convinced Tyson to fire his whole team. now every person who actually cared about mikes well being is gone. surrounded by people who dont care and just want money.
6. false rape charge, 4 years in prison which could have been his really prime years.
7. he came into boxing too soon. there was not any real amazing fighters in the 80's. he came into boxing like 4 years to soon. he never fought any greats of the 90's while he was in his prime.
Tyson after prison didn't really care anymore, boxing was just for show and money. he never trained properly but could still dominate most just based off his raw talent from the previous years of training.

Mike Tyson probably had it harder than anybody else in proffesional sports. the amount of pressure and spotlight put on him at a young age with the amount of fkery going on from his personal life. anybody in mike tysons shoes would have self destructed lol

I like the first 14 minutes of this video

I read his book when he was a kid ,man took him into an abandoned house and sexually assaulted him. He also was badly bullied,His childhood was really really fuked up.
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Originally Posted By GenghisBro
He is not the best boxer in his weight class. People likeRocky Marciano, Muhhamed Ali, and George Foreman have better records than him.

The problem with him was he relied too much on his athleticism and more technical boxers like Holyfield shut his game plan down.
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Quickest way to expose yourself as a casual boxing fan at bestis to mention tyson as goat.
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Originally Posted By ElCaballo33


I'd chit my pants if I was in the ring with prime Mike.
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Once tyson locks his jaws its game over
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I LOL hard as fuk everytime I see someone regard ANY boxer as the "best" in the world unless it's boxing.

Bruh any world class boxer would get ****ing DESTROYED against any world class muay thai practicioner. It wouldn't even be close.

Boxing in itself is a inefficient martial art due to not use your body to its full potential.

Why the **** would you punch with all your strength when you could elbow someone with half the strength and potentially kill him lmao.

Why the **** would you punch with all your strength when you can kick someone with half the strength & with longer reach and be way more likely to knock the **** out.

Why the **** would you punch with all your strength when you can knee someones face and destroy his head structure.


Seriously, there's a reason why all of these moves are banned from UFC
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Originally Posted By GenghisBro
In conclusion he is not the best heavy weight of his time. He lost to his biggest rival Holyfield. That doesn't take away that Iron Mike is one of the best boxers of his time, but facts are facts and winning records speak for themselves. There are other contenders in the heavyweight class who have better p4p resume than his.
Records aren't everything tbh.

Else Ronaldo would be by far the best player of all time and not even Messi would come close considering he broke almost every single record in Man Utd, Champions League, Real Madrid, La Liga, Barclays League, Portuguese National team while Messi only broke records in the Champions League, Barcelona, La Liga and Argentina's National Team.

Yet they're both somewhat even in terms of skill despite Ronaldo having far more records
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Originally Posted By sumusikoo
I LOL hard as fuk everytime I see someone regard ANY boxer as the "best" in the world unless it's boxing.

Bruh any world class boxer would get ****ing DESTROYED against any world class muay thai practicioner. It wouldn't even be close.

Boxing in itself is a inefficient martial art due to not use your body to its full potential.

Why the **** would you punch with all your strength when you could elbow someone with half the strength and potentially kill him lmao.

Why the **** would you punch with all your strength when you can kick someone with half the strength & with longer reach and be way more likely to knock the **** out.

Why the **** would you punch with all your strength when you can knee someones face and destroy his head structure.


Seriously, there's a reason why all of these moves are banned from UFC
There's always that one *******.

Boxing is for entertainment, period. This isn't ancient Rome, and the goal isn't to ****ing kill the other guy.

Nobody gives a **** about Muay Thai... Boxing is the toughest sport in the world.
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Originally Posted By TMaC828
There's always that one *******.

Boxing is for entertainment, period. This isn't ancient Rome, and the goal isn't to ****ing kill the other guy.

Nobody gives a **** about Muay Thai... Boxing is the toughest sport in the world.
That's why I said that people shouldn't consider boxers to be the toughest, the strongest or the best fighters of the whole world, keep it inside boxing and that's that.
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He was physically gifted and had a lot smart science for his style, but he fell apart once the competition got too rough. Great boxer, legend, and heavyweight. But not the best boxer overall, nor the best heavyweight, nor best of his era.
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Originally Posted By sumusikoo
That's why I said that people shouldn't consider boxers to be the toughest, the strongest or the best fighters of the whole world, keep it inside boxing and that's that.
Ive seen numerous street fights and underground fight videos. 90% of them punches end the fight, the other 10% some sort of jui jitsu. Knees elbows kicks never happens in real life because very few people can eat bare knuckle punches and return fire. Most fights are one punch or one combination and over.

After reconsidering i think the toughest fighter to ever live might be Cro Cop who was known for kickboxing, so you might be on to something. I was never really a Fedor fan.
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Originally Posted By GravityLee
Ive seen numerous street fights and underground fight videos. 90% of them punches end the fight, the other 10% some sort of jui jitsu. Knees elbows kicks never happens in real life because very few people can eat bare knuckle punches and return fire. Most fights are one punch or one combination and over.

After reconsidering i think the toughest fighter to ever live might be Cro Cop who was known for kickboxing, so you might be on to something.
Yea because street fighters generally don't practice anything at all.

They stick to punches because:

1- They lack any real fighting experience.

2- They lack any kind of proper understand of human physiology.

3- They never practiced any martial art (maybe boxing since most people do tend to punch only)

4- They don't know how strong elbows & knees are or they simply don't know how to get themselves in a good position to use them.

5- They don't have the flexibility needed for high kicks.


Punches are generally the "go-to" strategy since it's the safest for unexperienced people since everyone has good control over their arms & decent reach.

Even people with boxing-only backgrounds have started to learn how to kick in UFC.

Boxing is efficient no doubt, especially against unexperienced people, fighting a boxer with punches only makes it pretty easy for the boxer to just toy with people, however, it's by no means the most efficient or "the best" way to fight, muay thai & some others are considered the best standup fighting martial arts.

But then again, muay thai and those martial arts are all banned from official competitions.

Probably Boxing, kick boxing & stuff of the sort are probably top tier for official competitions, although ground martial arts have been on the rise lately
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I'm pretty sure any SF or Spartans/Romans were tougher then him, just lmao
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