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Originally Posted By Clives_Bicep⏩
if you are for government controlled healthcare, fine. Then you should be subject to the government coming in your house and throwing away and regulating your junk food intake, aswell as them regulating your weight and health. If you dont keep a certain weight and health score, then you get fined. Liberals need the government to do everything for them.
Yea the government often comes kicking my door down to make sure I'm not hiding sugar in my food pantry in this evil communist country of Canada.

But for real, a special tax on the worst foods (specially pop) isn't the end of your freedom boner.
Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
Apparently you aren't aware that 80% of the worlds surgical instruments are made in Pakistan by people making about $60/month. You're right... nobody is reduced to slavery to support the developed world...
Wow a bit of a far stretch don't you think?

Probably 90%+ of the clothes we wear are made in 3rd world countries for peanut wages. Should we get rid of public indecency/nudity laws?
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Originally Posted By ImpressiveGainz⏩
I don't disagree whatsoever. We're sending a quarter billion dollars to South Africa for "health", and they're supposedly a "first world" nation. Who the hell knows the rationale behind that.
Maybe we get cheap or exclusive rights on gold?

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Originally Posted By getbig_ttt⏩
Wow a bit of a far stretch don't you think?

Probably 90%+ of the clothes we wear are made in 3rd world countries for peanut wages. Should we get rid of public indecency/nudity laws?
The issue here is assuming $60/month is equivalent to $60 in the US.
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Originally Posted By getbig_ttt⏩
Wow a bit of a far stretch don't you think?

Probably 90%+ of the clothes we wear are made in 3rd world countries for peanut wages. Should we get rid of public indecency/nudity laws?
You don't understand my point. You think we have the resources to supply universal health care in our nations and then claim nobody will be reduced to slavery for it.

I'm stating people already work in slave like conditions which provide the necessary resources to currently support universal health care in developed nations. Labor and resources don't grow on trees... someone is always bearing the burden. You're so disconnected from it though that you don't realize it. Ever stop to consider why its mostly only developed nations that 'provide' universal health care?
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Originally Posted By getbig_ttt⏩
Wow a bit of a far stretch don't you think?

Probably 90%+ of the clothes we wear are made in 3rd world countries for peanut wages. Should we get rid of public indecency/nudity laws?
Yes, I want to walk around with my wang danglin', bitch.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
You don't understand my point. You think we have the resources to supply universal health care in our nations and then claim nobody will be reduced to slavery for it.

I'm stating people already work in slave like conditions which provide the necessary resources to currently support universal health care. Labor and resources don't grow on trees... someone is always bearing the burden. You're so far disconnected from it though that you don't realize it.
The same can be said for just about any mass production items in society. Your "point" is not not only invalid, its childish.

Universal healthcare isn't the cause of cheap wages in 3rd world countries. This thread talks about reducingHealth care workersto slavery by providing universal coverage.

3rd world wages is terrible but isn't the reason why we should or shouldn't have universal healthcare
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If everyone paid for healthcare it'd be cool, because me paying for insurance should cost the same as paying the government for insurance if not cheaper. But yeah that's in "should land" it's not in reality where people don't pay their fair share and expect the payout
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the main problem is that the system is bloated with excessive and unnecessary employees - i have seen 3 multi floor, packed with desk job buildings that support just one hospital - and prices for other things are gouged. it would be a lot easier to have universal healthcare if these costs were brought in line and made far more efficient. until that happens, which it probably wont, an efficient system will be impossible
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Originally Posted By getbig_ttt⏩
The same can be said for just about any mass production items in society. Your "point" is not not only invalid, its childish.

Universal healthcare isn't the cause of cheap wages in 3rd world countries. This thread talks about reducingHealth care workersto slavery by providing universal coverage.

3rd world wages is terrible but isn't the reason why we should of shouldn't have universal healthcare
I never said universal health care was the cause. I said slave wages is what makes it somewhat sustainable in developed nations. How long do you think universal health care in the developed world would last if all the developed nations (1-2 billion people) opened their doors to all the medical needs of those nations that don't have it (5-6 billion people). The system would collapse overnight.
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Healthcare is a right if you've earned it. If you've worked hard for 45 years contributing to society doing whatever you do and you get sick then you should have a right to healthcare.
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If health care is a human right, food and shelter should be too.

They are more primary needs.

(For what its worth I don't think believe any of those should be provided by government.)
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Originally Posted By onaed⏩
If health care is a human right, food and shelter should be too.

They are more primary needs.

(For what its worth I don't think believe any of those should be provided by government.)
I agree that the government shouldn't be forced to provide them for the population, but failure to provide basic (even low quality) services such as homeless shelters doesn't create a veryhealthysociety.

Sure you might not need these services at the moment, but what if you develop a severe mental illness like schizophrenia? Even with family support you might still end up on the street.

You think your insurance provider will come visit on in the street to offer you health care treatments?
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i'm not apposed to universal health care but government regulation and insurance companies are the reason it's so expensive and such a hassle.

realistically the only thing you should need health insurance for is for disasters/major surgery. if it wasn't for the artificial inflation due to the insurance companies most medications would be affordable to pay for yourself as well as things like routine doctor visits etc....
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Originally Posted By getbig_ttt⏩
I agree that the government shouldn't be forced to provide them for the population, but failure to provide basic (even low quality) services such as homeless shelters doesn't create a veryhealthysociety.

Sure you might not need these services at the moment, but what if you develop a severe mental illness like schizophrenia? Even with family support you might still end up on the street.

You think your insurance provider will come visit on in the street to offer you health care treatments?
Here is something ironic. I donate to St. Judes Childrens Hospital. I had to reduce that amount because my taxes went up. I also donate to various wounded warriors foundations. Had to reduce to those as well.

First, what right does the government have to dictate that. Second, I'm sure more of my labor (represented by my money) is getting to those to whom i donated vs. all the government beaurocracy it must funnel through before reaching the person the government dictates it should go to.
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Lots of brahs ITT saying chit like "If you choose to [insert thing that potentially increases health risk/need for healthcare] you shouldn't get a free ride"

Well what about if that thing is:

Playing sports.... concussions, broken bones, etc.
Going to gym.... pec tear while benching, drop weight on foot, etc
Work a desk job.... poor posture, repetitive stress injuries, etc.
Sex with no condom.... STD!
Recreational drugs.... addiction, freak accident while on (LSD anyone?), alcohol?

All things you CHOOSE to do, that could increase risk of injury and thus need for healthcare. Should people that play football have to pay more for insurance in a single payer system? Should the government be regulating what you can and can not do to qualify for health care? To what extent?

Also lots of "I'm young and healthy, I shouldn't have to pay for others" .. You do realize you will be old and sick one day right? Few people just go to bed one night and don't wake up. It's probably almost a guarantee you will need some sort of treatment or medication down the road.

Don't get me wrong, there will be people/groups that put a strain on the system more than others but a snap of the fingers and YOU could be there. Some cancers are genetic. No matter how many positive lifestyle choices you make, you could get cancer. Get cancer in USA today and it will tank your financial situation (Joe Biden was going to sell his house to pay for son's cancer treatment!).

Being from Canada, and a healthy, young guy, I am A-OK with a large portion of my taxes (I think 40% of provincial budget goes to healthcare?) going to health care for all because I know if I (or a family member, or a friend) have a freak accident, or receive genetic lottery ticket news from my doctor one day that I will not have to worry about how I'm going to pay for it. Are there improvements that could be made? For sure. But when you compare health care spending per capita and longevity to USA, we're doing pretty damn well.
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Originally Posted By gbSyn⏩
Lots of brahs ITT saying chit like "If you choose to [insert thing that potentially increases health risk/need for healthcare] you shouldn't get a free ride"

Well what about if that thing is:

Playing sports.... concussions, broken bones, etc.
Going to gym.... pec tear while benching, drop weight on foot, etc
Work a desk job.... poor posture, repetitive stress injuries, etc.
Sex with no condom.... STD!
Recreational drugs.... addiction, freak accident while on (LSD anyone?), alcohol?

All things you CHOOSE to do, that could increase risk of injury and thus need for healthcare. Should people that play football have to pay more for insurance in a single payer system? Should the government be regulating what you can and can not do to qualify for health care? To what extent?

Also lots of "I'm young and healthy, I shouldn't have to pay for others" .. You do realize you will be old and sick one day right? Few people just go to bed one night and don't wake up. It's probably almost a guarantee you will need some sort of treatment or medication down the road.

Don't get me wrong, there will be people/groups that put a strain on the system more than others but a snap of the fingers and YOU could be there. Some cancers are genetic. No matter how many positive lifestyle choices you make, you could get cancer. Get cancer in USA today and it will tank your financial situation (Joe Biden was going to sell his house to pay for son's cancer treatment!).

Being from Canada, and a healthy, young guy, I am A-OK with a large portion of my taxes (I think 40% of provincial budget goes to healthcare?) going to health care for all because I know if I (or a family member, or a friend) have a freak accident, or receive genetic lottery ticket news from my doctor one day that I will not have to worry about how I'm going to pay for it. Are there improvements that could be made? For sure. But when you compare health care spending per capita and longevity to USA, we're doing pretty damn well.
We have government run health care here. It's called the VA. It's HORRIBLE.

If the government can't get it right for veterans, how will it get it right for everyone else?
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Originally Posted By onaed⏩
If health care is a human right, food and shelter should be too.

They are more primary needs.

(For what its worth I don't think believe any of those should be provided by government.)
food and shelter ARE human rights....
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No because it would essentially boil down to everyone else being responsible for self destructive lifestyles
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
We have government run health care here. It's called the VA. It's HORRIBLE.

If the government can't get it right for veterans, how will it get it right for everyone else?
Curious how bad it really is?

The only time I've been exposed to it was on a bus ride into a town in Virginia. One of the stops on the route was at a VA hospital. It looked like a run down high school from the 50s with a bunch of ragged people loitering everywhere outside. Was really depressing.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
Curious how bad it really is?

The only time I've been exposed to it was on a bus ride into a town in Virginia. One of the stops on the route was at a VA hospital. It looked like a run down high school from the 50s with a bunch of ragged people loitering everywhere outside. Was really depressing.
Google all the scandals over the last 10 years. Dudes being infected with HIV, people with maggots growing on them, people being left to die, people having to wait 6-12 months to see a doctor (that's where the veterans choice program started) and so on and so on.

The issue with the government and when it's in charge of anything is that there is ZERO, Z E R O accountability so when they literally kill veterans, no one is punished for it. I can only imagine this at a national level.
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
We have government run health care here. It's called the VA. It's HORRIBLE.

If the government can't get it right for veterans, how will it get it right for everyone else?
Every developed country in the world manages to provide healthcare for its citizens, and health outcomes are comparable if not better than the US, and at a much cheaper price. America is the greatest country in the world right - yet you apparently can't do what every other nation, even ones which are less developed economically, manage to do?
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Originally Posted By faxanadu⏩
You don't understand my point. You think we have the resources to supply universal health care in our nations and then claim nobody will be reduced to slavery for it.

I'm stating people already work in slave like conditions which provide the necessary resources to currently support universal health care in developed nations. Labor and resources don't grow on trees... someone is always bearing the burden. You're so disconnected fr it though that you don't realize it. Ever stop to consider why its mostly only developed nations that 'provide' universal health care?
What the **** are you on about. Third world exploitation is a generalised problem of capitalism, it has nothing specifically to do with universal health care, and if we handed healthcare over to corporations whose only goal is to maximise profit, the same exploitation would continue as it does in every other private industry on the planet.

Reaching doesn't even begin to describe you here. You don't support universal healthcare because it exploits third world workers, lmfao I've literally heard everything
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Originally Posted By BrocepCurls⏩
Every developed country in the world manages to provide healthcare for its citizens, and health outcomes are comparable if not better than the US, and at a much cheaper price. America is the greatest country in the world right - yet you apparently can't do what every other nation, even ones which are less developed economically, manage to do?
over 33% of Americans are already on government healthcare in the US. Just FYI, since most people don't realize. The us is also #4 in the world (most likely #3 now actually) for government healthcare spending per capita. Yes, GOVERNMENT healthcare spending. Simply putting the other 66% on government plans isn't going to fix the problems. The problem is NOT that people don't have insurance or don't have government plans. The problems are pricing related and have everything to do with the provider-insurer relationship (plus US cultural and demographic issues)
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with the way it is right now, insurance companies/medical industry/pharmaceutical industry scheming all the money, i think for a first world country it needs to be a "right".

cuz what we got now is just bullchit. $500 for a asprin at a hospital getting charged to insurance. its like a big circle jerk for the rich and elite to make more $$$.

the problem is corruption and selfishness. all the people who try to fix healthcare are also trying to siphon a little $$$ for themselves and friends, doing all sorts of bullchit. thats why even a good plan doesnt work out. that needs to get solved first before they work on a plan to fix it.
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