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post 1511633511 07-12-2017, 08:46 PM
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If you don't respect docs you're pretty unlikely to respect anyone in society
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I don't innately respect anybody.
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Originally Posted By PeaceWithin⏩
Nurse checking in.Wearing your scrubs in public is a hazard to public health. I work with a huge variety of patients, some of which are in isolation. Like fuk if I'm going to stop by the supermarket and rub VRE/MRE/CRE/ESBL/pickyourbacteria all over the store. Fkn gross and they should be ashamed of themselves if it's after their shift (totally acceptable in clean scrubs before you go into the hospital)

That aside, sometimes your nurse is the one who saves you from the MD in the hospital. Like any profession you will have high quality, mediocre, and straight up dangerous MDs that should have retired...



Just lol @ your whole post. Seriously. Are you just against general practitioners, or all MDs? Because your answer will probably drive my next question...
that's what i was thinking but i see it so often around hospitals, you must be an exception then
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Yeah I felt great googling to find that gif, and I'll feel great when I google what to do tomorrow when I see my patients too man. Then I'll get in my Porsche, then Google my way to my house.
you are a heartless money grubber Cytomegalovirus, you probably have like 300k debt from your student loans alone and becuase you're such a douche that even profession signalling on a forum isn't enough you have to status signal irl by buying luxury cars and expensive mansions and take on another 500k worth of loans just to show off to everyone how cool you are

cringe @ everything about you dude
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I respect specialists, GPs on the other hand are pretty f*cking useless
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Originally Posted By lolXlol⏩
that's what i was thinking but i see it so often around hospitals, you must be an exception then
Lol. I've called out co-workers before that I see at the supermarket after normal shift change time and given them all kinds of chit for their scrubs.

Really though, is this how you feel about all MDs? I just can't wrap my head around it... the situations I see at work need multiple disciplines to keep the patients alive... ranging from nursing staff, pharmacists, respiratory therapy, but the ultimate decision making is done by NP/PA/MDs.

What is your plan if you find yourself in the hospital....? Honest question.
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Originally Posted By Cytomegalovirus⏩
They have the highest IQ average amongst any profession. It's extremely competitive to get into medical school, arguably more than any other academic profession. Google your way out of your brain tumor or stroke etc. etc. The one time you need a doctor, you'll be glad that guy went through 10+ years of academic and clinical work to be able to help you. There are limitations in medicine based on the current understanding of medical research. The wikipedia aspect of criticism can be said for any career. We are all learning other peoples research at the end of the day. Engineers are learning from professors and books that were compiled by research conducted by thousands of professionals over the years. The purpose of medical school and residency is to train someone to be able to integrate that information and to apply what is most important at the appropriate times. If you have this logic of criticism for medical professionals, that same logic can be applied to almost any career path. The medical doctor isn't so much paid for his sheer knowledge but rather the art of being able to make sense of that knowledge because research is always adding to the medical sciences. You are a lifelong student in essence. So you have to have a deep understanding of the specific field you are in - in order to keep adapting and making sense of new research or even being a part of that new research. Like an ER patient that walks in with symptoms of a stroke - you have seconds to decide what to do otherwise that patient will die or will have permanent neurological consequences. You can't wikipedia yourself out of that situation. Stereotyping a general surgeon as the only doctor of praise is complete bull**** too. He wouldn't know what surgery he was doing if it wasn't for the team of various doctors that referred the patient to the stage of needing surgery in the first place. It's 2017. Very rarely is one discipline of medicine completely managing a critically ill patient. Being in the career, I respect the general practioners the most who have to have acumen to be able to distinguish between someone who has a benign vs serious-life threatening illness when any vague symptom to could mean anything. Good fatigue, you can have differentials ranging from simple lack of sleep or nutrional deficiencies all the way to leukemias and various other carcinomas. You need extensive training to be able to prevent a serious disorder from reaching it's full potential.
blah blah blah...the 'doctor' forgot to use simple things like paragraph breaks.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Engineers are funny, because at the end of their career they don't make as much money as a general practitioner's starting salary.
Dafuk you talking about? Starting salary for a GP is under 100k on average. Engineers who finish their career in engineering make much more than that. Engineers now START at $70k. After 4 years of college at state schools. The choice is not hard.

OP I agree. The average doctor is just trying to milk you for tests and billable testing. Most of them don't take the time to bother with real diagnosis, they'll test enough to make sure they cover their ass, then prescribe the first treatment that comes to mind and "schedule a follow up" to see if it worked (another billable event).

The few that work hard and are smart get my respect, but I've only ever found one, and she's a PA, not a doctor. It doesn't hurt that she's smokin hawt and fingered my b-hole the last time I was in there while the young nurse watched (this happened).
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Originally Posted By Cytomegalovirus⏩
They have the highest IQ average amongst any profession. It's extremely competitive to get into medical school, arguably more than any other academic profession. Google your way out of your brain tumor or stroke etc. etc. The one time you need a doctor, you'll be glad that guy went through 10+ years of academic and clinical work to be able to help you. There are limitations in medicine based on the current understanding of medical research. The wikipedia aspect of criticism can be said for any career. We are all learning other peoples research at the end of the day. Engineers are learning from professors and books that were compiled by research conducted by thousands of professionals over the years. The purpose of medical school and residency is to train someone to be able to integrate that information and to apply what is most important at the appropriate times. If you have this logic of criticism for medical professionals, that same logic can be applied to almost any career path. The medical doctor isn't so much paid for his sheer knowledge but rather the art of being able to make sense of that knowledge because research is always adding to the medical sciences. You are a lifelong student in essence. So you have to have a deep understanding of the specific field you are in - in order to keep adapting and making sense of new research or even being a part of that new research. Like an ER patient that walks in with symptoms of a stroke - you have seconds to decide what to do otherwise that patient will die or will have permanent neurological consequences. You can't wikipedia yourself out of that situation. Stereotyping a general surgeon as the only doctor of praise is complete bull**** too. He wouldn't know what surgery he was doing if it wasn't for the team of various doctors that referred the patient to the stage of needing surgery in the first place. It's 2017. Very rarely is one discipline of medicine completely managing a critically ill patient. Being in the career, I respect the general practioners the most who have to have acumen to be able to distinguish between someone who has a benign vs serious-life threatening illness when any vague symptom to could mean anything. Good fatigue, you can have differentials ranging from simple lack of sleep or nutrional deficiencies all the way to leukemias and various other carcinomas. You need extensive training to be able to prevent a serious disorder from reaching it's full potential.
During your extensive time in school, did they ever teach you about paragraphs?
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Originally Posted By pezking7p⏩
Dafuk you talking about? Starting salary for a GP is under 100k on average. Engineers who finish their career in engineering make much more than that. Engineers now START at $70k. After 4 years of college at state schools. The choice is not hard.

OP I agree. The average doctor is just trying to milk you for tests and billable testing. Most of them don't take the time to bother with real diagnosis, they'll test enough to make sure they cover their ass, then prescribe the first treatment that comes to mind and "schedule a follow up" to see if it worked (another billable event).

The few that work hard and are smart get my respect, but I've only ever found one, and she's a PA, not a doctor. It doesn't hurt that she's smokin hawt and fingered my b-hole the last time I was in there while the young nurse watched (this happened).
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...itioner/Salary

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...ngineer/Salary

So as you can see, only the 90th percentile of engineers make more than $100k, that's the top 10%, whereas only the bottom 10% of GPs make $100K or less. This is average for their whole careers.

The choice is obvious, like you said.
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Originally Posted By pezking7p⏩
Dafuk you talking about? Starting salary for a GP is under 100k on average. Engineers who finish their career in engineering make much more than that. Engineers now START at $70k. After 4 years of college at state schools. The choice is not hard.
Can confirm. Father is an engineer... depending on what kind of work he is doing, and how fast they need the work turned around, some of the hourly billing is impressive. Like $120-140/hr for critically rushed projects.
OP I agree. The average doctor is just trying to milk you for tests and billable testing. Most of them don't take the time to bother with real diagnosis, they'll test enough to make sure they cover their ass, then prescribe the first treatment that comes to mind and "schedule a follow up" to see if it worked (another billable event).
So.. the below-average family practice doctor or MedCheck drone who hates their job? Maybe...
I feel like the clinic environment and acute hospital environments are entire worlds apart...
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Originally Posted By PeaceWithin⏩
Lol. I've called out co-workers before that I see at the supermarket after normal shift change time and given them all kinds of chit for their scrubs.

Really though, is this how you feel about all MDs? I just can't wrap my head around it... the situations I see at work need multiple disciplines to keep the patients alive... ranging from nursing staff, pharmacists, respiratory therapy, but the ultimate decision making is done by NP/PA/MDs.

What is your plan if you find yourself in the hospital....? Honest question.
yes, absolutely this is how i feel, most of these gps don't even care about their patients and only do it for the status

i can respect you as a nurse more than i can Cytomegalovirus a doctor becuase you're so much more genuine in your engagement with your profession where as he just comes across as a predatory douche who preys on vulnerable or naive patients
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Originally Posted By lolXlol⏩
yes, absolutely this is how i feel, most of these gps don't even care about their patients and only do it for the status

i can respect you as a nurse more than i can Cytomegalovirus a doctor becuase you're so much more genuine in your engagement with your profession where as he just comes across as a predatory douche who preys on vulnerable or naive patients
Bro, it sucks that those are the experiences you have had with MDs. I can say that the team I work with at the hospital are the most genuine, hardworking, caring MDs. And it isn't by a specific specialty.. Internal medicine, orthopedics, trauma care, nephrology, neuro, cardiology, etc.. Above and beyond for patients, advocate for them against the fukn garbage insurance companies, answer calls after hours from the nursing staff.

Last week one of our orthopedic surgeons did a pro-bono surgery for a foreign exchange student from South Korea. Waived all his surgical fees, and got the hospital to waive their room/board charges. Kid and his family would have been bankrupt for what his surgery/stay would have cost, and he was over here on a miracle scholarship. Just cool to see.

I'm talking I would without hesitation trust a family member to any one of them.
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Originally Posted By PeaceWithin⏩
Can confirm. Father is an engineer... depending on what kind of work he is doing, and how fast they need the work turned around, some of the hourly billing is impressive. Like $120-140/hr for critically rushed projects.



So.. the below-average family practice doctor or MedCheck drone who hates their job? Maybe...
I feel like the clinic environment and acute hospital environments are entire worlds apart...
Are you dense? My work is billed at $150 an hour, I don't actually get paid that much.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Are you dense? My work is billed at $150 an hour, I don't actually get paid that much.
Your work is billed at $150 an hour (which I'm assuming means someone else is biling for your work, and a cut is being taken?)


Self-employed engineer who works from home. Takes the projects he wants, makes his own schedule. Basically zero overhead except to keep up his licensing in different states and CAD licenses.

So unless I did the math wrong... $120-$140/hr x 40 hrs/week........... Yeah.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...itioner/Salary

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...ngineer/Salary

So as you can see, only the 90th percentile of engineers makes more than $100k, that's the top 10%, whereas only the bottom 10% of GPs make $100K or less. This is average for their whole careers.

The choice is obvious, like you said.
The term "engineer" is a broad term and covers a lot of ground. I'm speaking of degreed engineers in specialized fields, not like a "network engineer." the engineers I interview/hire come out of NC State, are fresh out of school and are making 65-70k. Even at 3% raise per year for 10 years they are making 95k. Your data doesn't really add up. I've been out of school 12 years and I've been in six figures a while.

I understand they are averages, but you said that an engineer will finish their career making less than a GP's starting salary. That's just not true unless the person is a complete muppet.
Originally Posted By PeaceWithin⏩
Can confirm. Father is an engineer... depending on what kind of work he is doing, and how fast they need the work turned around, some of the hourly billing is impressive. Like $120-140/hr for critically rushed projects.



So.. the below-average family practice doctor or MedCheck drone who hates their job? Maybe...
I feel like the clinic environment and acute hospital environments are entire worlds apart...
I've never really seen a specialist except once because I had a yeast breakout on my skin. I told the GP that I had this before and I told him what was prescribed but he referred me anyway. The specialist told me to put some special shampoo on it, it cleared right up.

Maybe the specialists are better, or maybe I just have high expectations, but I've never really been impressed with doctors skills.
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Originally Posted By lolXlol⏩
yes, absolutely this is how i feel, most of these gps don't even care about their patients and only do it for the status

i can respect you as a nurse more than i can Cytomegalovirus a doctor becuase you're so much more genuine in your engagement with your profession where as he just comes across as a predatory douche who preys on vulnerable or naive patients
The reason some MDs seem like they aren't genuine in their engagement, to you, is because they don't have anything to prove. They have already sacrificed 12-16 years of their youth becoming licensed + specialized. They have pulled 90 hour weeks in residency (multiple 24 hour shifts), and they've suffered for their profession. They don't have to prove that they are committed, because people who aren't wouldn't make it so far, or give up so much.
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Originally Posted By pezking7p⏩
The term "engineer" is a broad term and covers a lot of ground. I'm speaking of degreed engineers in specialized fields, not like a "network engineer." the engineers I interview/hire come out of NC State, are fresh out of school and are making 65-70k. Even at 3% raise per year for 10 years they are making 95k. Your data doesn't really add up. I've been out of school 12 years and I've been in six figures a while.

I understand they are averages, but you said that an engineer will finish their career making less than a GP's starting salary. That's just not true unless the person is a complete muppet.




I've never really seen a specialist except once because I had a yeast breakout on my skin. I told the GP that I had this before and I told him what was prescribed but he referred me anyway. The specialist told me to put some special shampoo on it, it cleared right up.

Maybe the specialists are better, or maybe I just have high expectations, but I've never really been impressed with doctors skills.
You didn't see the link did you? It's specific to Electrical Engineers.
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Originally Posted By lolXlol⏩
yes, absolutely this is how i feel, most of these gps don't even care about their patients and only do it for the status

i can respect you as a nurse more than i can Cytomegalovirus a doctor becuase you're so much more genuine in your engagement with your profession where as he just comes across as a predatory douche who preys on vulnerable or naive patients
You have issues, get help
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Are you dense? My work is billed at $150 an hour, I don't actually get paid that much.
I think it might be you, bud. He/she is saying that their father bills that to his clients. As in self employed.

Why the vitriol towards engineers? You saw your billable rate and now you're mad you make $20/hr?
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I have worked in healthcare for decades and hate doctors.

I think most are stupid, just go to the first explanation they can think of, or charlatans.
You sound like a med school reject (srs).
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being a doctor does not require any intelligence more than memory.

Scientists are the real great minds that help push humanity forward.

Doctors are parasites that make money off of sick people.
I have seen absolute morons become doctors. Some of the diagnoses I have seen them give were ridiculous.

The only doctors I can respect are surgeons - I see them as plumbers, electricians, etc. Good with their hands.

lawyers, doctors, and dentists are the top 3 most vile professions in the US.
Yes... applying in-depth knowledge to 3rd order questions is just memory.We have engineers, physics and math majors in our class who didn't fare any better when it comes to tough concepts.

Doctors have the highest prestige of any mainstream profession and are the most intelligent on average across any career.
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Originally Posted By PeaceWithin⏩
Your work is billed at $150 an hour (which I'm assuming means someone else is biling for your work, and a cut is being taken?)


Self-employed engineer who works from home. Takes the projects he wants, makes his own schedule. Basically zero overhead except to keep up his licensing in different states and CAD licenses.

So unless I did the math wrong... $120-$140/hr x 40 hrs/week........... Yeah.
Minus taxes, and expenses, you do not understand how a business works at all.

So let's do the math:

$140/h

1099 = $140/h X 66% = $95/h

Let's assume expenses are $15 per hour.

$95/h - $15 = $80/h

I doubt he has work every single week of the year, so let's assume 4 weeks vacation, I'm not even gonna factor in that he may have slow weeks.

$80 X 2080h in a year = $166,000 yearly salary - $13,000 Frr 4 weeks off, = $153,000

So assuming a perfect world your father makes $153k a year, a lot less than the average for a GP. Realistically I bet he doesn't net $120k a year.
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Originally Posted By pezking7p⏩
I think it might be you, bud. He/she is saying that their father bills that to his clients. As in self employed.

Why the vitriol towards engineers? You saw your billable rate and now you're mad you make $20/hr?
Read my post above this one, I make $20 an hour more than you make, at least.
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Are you idiots seriously trying to compare engineering with medicine? Mind = blown.

You think it's a coincidence that Med is so hard to get into as a course and engineering isn't? Why doctors get paidwaymore at every level of employment?

Then some guy trying to convince himself that his dad (seriously his dad) is proof that engineering is as good as medicine because his made up short-term hourly rate is higher than a junior doctor is the icing on the **** cake that is this thread.

This is why the public aren't allowed to diagnose themselves, because they are phucking retarded
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
You didn't see the link did you? It's specific to Electrical Engineers.
I clicked the link. I already explained above, I don't trust their data. Electrical engineers make huge piles of money. Just do some basic math. If the average starting is 70k and the average final salary is 110k, and someone "finishes their career" in 40 years, then on average these people are getting 1% raise per year. That's asinine. Only people who are about to get fired get a 1% raise.
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Originally Posted By pezking7p⏩
Dafuk you talking about? Starting salary for a GP is under 100k on average. Engineers who finish their career in engineering make much more than that. Engineers now START at $70k. After 4 years of college at state schools. The choice is not hard.

OP I agree. The average doctor is just trying to milk you for tests and billable testing. Most of them don't take the time to bother with real diagnosis, they'll test enough to make sure they cover their ass, then prescribe the first treatment that comes to mind and "schedule a follow up" to see if it worked (another billable event).

The few that work hard and are smart get my respect, but I've only ever found one, and she's a PA, not a doctor. It doesn't hurt that she's smokin hawt and fingered my b-hole the last time I was in there while the young nurse watched (this happened).
dafuq lol... the average family doctor is easily making 200k out of residency if they want to. That's just the average which includes part time doctors and ones seeing few patients.

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Originally Posted By pezking7p⏩
I clicked the link. I already explained above, I don't trust their data. Electrical engineers make huge piles of money. Just do some basic math. If the average starting is 70k and the average final salary is 110k, and someone "finishes their career" in 40 years, then on average these people are getting 1% raise per year. That's asinine. Only people who are about to get fired get a 1% raise.
Life is hard, and the truth hurts. My brother is an electrical engineer, and is 10 years older than I am, I make significantly more than he does.

So you don't trust Payscale?

What about Salary.com?
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/E...y-Details.aspx

GlassDoor?
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/e...SRCH_KO0,8.htm

Indeed?
https://www.indeed.com/salaries/Engineer-Salaries

Forbes?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanad.../#1cbe96d82403

The Government?
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes172141.htm
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Read my post above this one, I make $20 an hour more than you make, at least.
So, you don't know how taxes work, either? Or how to judge basic business expenses?

Whatever you make, congrats. You got lucky, because you're not smart enough to deserve it.
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Originally Posted By pezking7p⏩
So, you don't know how taxes work, either? Or how to judge basic business expenses?

Whatever you make, congrats. You got lucky, because you're not smart enough to deserve it.
Unlike you, I have had my own business, not just talking from "Daddy's" experience, I'm sure you don't even know what a 1099 is.
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Originally Posted By Ml16121⏩
The reason some MDs seem like they aren't genuine in their engagement, to you, is because they don't have anything to prove. They have already sacrificed 12-16 years of their youth becoming licensed + specialized. They have pulled 90 hour weeks in residency (multiple 24 hour shifts), and they've suffered for their profession. They don't have to prove that they are committed, because people who aren't wouldn't make it so far, or give up so much.
i haven't been to the doctors for 10 years so i'm not talking from personal experience but just the general vibe these guys are putting out

are you really trying to tell me what doctors go through to get their credentials is tough? if these guys were doing 90hrs of manual labour i would be impressed but walking around with a clipboard and saying hello to the odd sick person is not at all demanding
Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
Are you idiots seriously trying to compare engineering with medicine? Mind = blown.

You think it's a coincidence that Med is so hard to get into as a course and engineering isn't? Why doctors get paidwaymore at every level of employment?

Then some guy trying to convince himself that his dad (seriously his dad) is proof that engineering is as good as medicine because his made up short-term hourly rate is higher than a junior doctor is the icing on the **** cake that is this thread.

This is why the public aren't allowed to diagnose themselves, because they are phucking retarded
uhh... maybe because there is a manufactured barrier of entry where schools purposely limit the intake of prospective students so they can maintain the prestige and exclusivity of the profession
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Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
Are you idiots seriously trying to compare engineering with medicine? Mind = blown.

You think it's a coincidence that Med is so hard to get into as a course and engineering isn't? Why doctors get paidwaymore at every level of employment?

Then some guy trying to convince himself that his dad (seriously his dad) is proof that engineering is as good as medicine because his made up short-term hourly rate is higher than a junior doctor is the icing on the **** cake that is this thread.

This is why the public aren't allowed to diagnose themselves, because they are phucking retarded
Originally Posted By pezking7p⏩
I clicked the link. I already explained above, I don't trust their data. Electrical engineers make huge piles of money. Just do some basic math. If the average starting is 70k and the average final salary is 110k, and someone "finishes their career" in 40 years, then on average these people are getting 1% raise per year. That's asinine. Only people who are about to get fired get a 1% raise.
Are you seriously comparing engineering to medicine? I was on my school's admissions committee and we interviewed engineers.
You're a middle class member and nothing higher unless you're one of the top 1-2% of engineers. And comparing income? lul. A part time GP who works twice a week makes more than your typical engineer.
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