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post 1512415861 07-17-2017, 10:08 AM
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I'm starting to believe protein intake is a myth

Doesn't make any fukin difference. I can feel the difference immediately when I eat carbs. The more carbs I eat, the better my life is. Better energy, better sleep, better mood, better lifts, better endurance. There's usually a 1 day lag period where the carbs I ate yesterday affect my performance today. When I eat healthy fats, I stay full for longer and have less inflammation.

But protein literally does nothing noticeable. It doesn't make me leaner, it doesn't make my lifts better, it doesn't help me recover any quicker, doesn't do much for my energy levels.

So if carbs and fats have a positive effect on my life and protein is doing so little in comparison, why am I wasting so many of my calories on it?

New macros are 60g fat, 400g carbs, 50g protein. We're always told high protein because of all of this research, but has anyone tried anything like this?
post 1512416251 07-17-2017, 10:12 AM
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Because of school and career my diet has changed a lot, been intaking a significantly less protein than I used to. I have noticed no change in body composition or lifting strength.

IMO, I think it's a scam. I'm sure it probably effects you somewhat based on the amount, but I highly doubt its noticeable and, unless you're competing, is nothing to stress over.

I take no supplements now, just food.
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I have found a moderate-protein, moderate-fat, high carb diet works best for me.

It's all about your body brah. Some people can't handle carbs and get fat just looking at a piece of bread.

The biggest thing I have noticed, is that quality is much more important than numbers.

There are chit carbs, chit proteins, and chit fats. Avoid them and you'll be fine.
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post 1512416591 07-17-2017, 10:15 AM
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I see no difference if I eat 70g a day vs 170g a day
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post 1512417041 07-17-2017, 10:19 AM
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Its rare that I get much more than 80g of protein in a day.
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post 1512417611 07-17-2017, 10:25 AM
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And all that time , I was stressing getting over 140 g ...
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post 1512417711 07-17-2017, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted By vsportsguy⏩
Doesn't make any fukin difference. I can feel the difference immediately when I eat carbs. The more carbs I eat, the better my life is. Better energy, better sleep, better mood, better lifts, better endurance. There's usually a 1 day lag period where the carbs I ate yesterday affect my performance today. When I eat healthy fats, I stay full for longer and have less inflammation.

But protein literally does nothing noticeable. It doesn't make me leaner, it doesn't make my lifts better, it doesn't help me recover any quicker, doesn't do much for my energy levels.

So if carbs and fats have a positive effect on my life and protein is doing so little in comparison, why am I wasting so many of my calories on it?

New macros are 60g fat, 400g carbs, 50g protein. We're always told high protein because of all of this research, but has anyone tried anything like this?
Did you get to where you are at in your avi eating 50 grams of protein a day?
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post 1512417931 07-17-2017, 10:27 AM
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OP has the best body on the misc (no homo) so maybe he's on to something
post 1512418051 07-17-2017, 10:28 AM
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carbs are the bodies prefered source of energy thats y u feel so gud. Low karb and hygh protein is mainly for losing phat.
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same

carbs make me bloated so I just compensate more protein when I'm doin low carbs
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post 1512419951 07-17-2017, 10:48 AM
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yea man carbs give u higher testosterone levels, overeating protein can actually counteract your hormones
post 1512420711 07-17-2017, 10:54 AM
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Sub 100g of protein since half a year now. Skin glows, best gains ever, mood, digestion and libido improved and more stable energy throughout the day.

OP, I'd even go as far to say up your fats to 80-100 grams even and cycle your carbs according to your activity level.

Don't believe the hype.
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Originally Posted By lockdev⏩
I have found a moderate-protein, moderate-fat, high carb diet works best for me.

It's all about your body brah. Some people can't handle carbs and get fat just looking at a piece of bread.

The biggest thing I have noticed, is that quality is much more important than numbers.

There are chit carbs, chit proteins, and chit fats. Avoid them and you'll be fine.
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post 1512421081 07-17-2017, 10:58 AM
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Yeah, waiting for the next study that says you only need 0.5g per pound of bw.
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Originally Posted By lockdev⏩
I have found a moderate-protein, moderate-fat, high carb diet works best for me.

It's all about your body brah. Some people can't handle carbs and get fat just looking at a piece of bread.

The biggest thing I have noticed, is that quality is much more important than numbers.

There are chit carbs, chit proteins, and chit fats. Avoid them and you'll be fine.
Also, this is truth
post 1512421371 07-17-2017, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted By lockdev⏩
The biggest thing I have noticed, is that quality is much more important than numbers.

There are chit carbs, chit proteins, and chit fats. Avoid them and you'll be fine.
Same. I don't think the body really cares what you put into it. It just cares how many calories you consume and how processed the food is. More processed = lower quality.
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Did you get to where you are at in your avi eating 50 grams of protein a day?
No, low fat. At the lowest I was probably at 40g fat, 200g carbs, 200g protein.
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OP has the best body on the misc (no homo) so maybe he's on to something
Thanks man. Just based on the anecdotal evidence in here I am going to give this a fair shot. I'm going to try cutting on a low protein diet.
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Interdasting... I usually keep my carbs pretty high cause of my 2 a days routine + cardio

Protein is high cause of 1g = 1lb bodyweight

Dropped to 0.5g to 0.8g cause of schedule and haven't noticed a damn thing. If anything, I'm still improving. Was starting to wonder if anyone else experienced this.

OP might be right
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post 1512421571 07-17-2017, 11:03 AM
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that's because it increases protien synthesis bro
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post 1512421701 07-17-2017, 11:04 AM
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protein are very essential nutrients that compose... pretty much everything

so even if youre not taking 4 scoops of whey

youre still getting protein in most food items. its oossible youre getting enough through regular food
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Originally Posted By zarathu5tra⏩
Sub 100g of protein since half a year now. Skin glows, best gains ever, mood, digestion and libido improved and more stable energy throughout the day.

OP, I'd even go as far to say up your fats to 80-100 grams even and cycle your carbs according to your activity level.

Don't believe the hype.
I notice the skin gains too on high carb low fat. Fat is the one thing I think I have nailed down. I've gone super low, like 30-40g and felt hungry all the time. I've also gone up to 100+ and didn't see any additional benefits over 60-70g. I'm pretty sure sweet spot is around 60-70g.
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Come on man, use some common sense. Lower it to 100g or something, no need to make drastic changes like that. Just because the protein requirements are overblown to fuk by the supplement industry and is perpetuated here doesn't mean you have to go to the other extreme.

I assume the effects of protein deficiency aren't acute and they'll creep up on you.

tl;dr: you're probably right but overreacting
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Agree though going down to 50g is taking things too far. 100g protein is good for me
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Originally Posted By tokelift⏩
Come on man, use some common sense. Lower it to 100g or something, no need to make drastic changes like that. Just because the protein requirements are overblown to fuk by the supplement industry and is perpetuated here doesn't mean you have to go to the other extreme.

I assume the effects of protein deficiency aren't acute and they'll creep up on you.

tl;dr: you're probably right but overreacting
I'm an all or nothing kind of guy. How am I supposed to test how much protein I need if I don't go to an extreme? I did the same thing with fat. And I've done it with the high end of protein as well, eating 350g of protein a day. But I've never actually tested the low end of the protein spectrum because I was afraid I would lose all my gains.
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it's hard to say, I'm starting to think you don't need as much protein either, not sure if I would go as low as 50 grams but I think a good safe amount is probably around half your weight in protein. not really sure though, and it would be hard to measure. i know studies recommend the minimum of around your weight in LBM.
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Thanks for testing and sharing. Although I must say that it's very hard to stay under 50g of protons if you're at those carb and fat macros.

What do you eat?
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
Did you get to where you are at in your avi eating 50 grams of protein a day?
Odds are it's fake, so be careful when you listen to any answer he gives.
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I probably get less than 80gms of protein a day and look like I don't lift
Eat way more carbs than I should and have a belly
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IDK boyo. I lifted hard on Friday, went to an all you can eat meat buffet at Fogo de Chao, and recovered a day faster than I usually do. Dat protein definitely does something. Or maybe it is just extreme excess of calories? IDK...I read a study that said optimum protein intake is at most 0.8 g/ lb and that is if you are really lifting heavy. Rest of it is probably just used up for energy. Protein has other benefits like thermic effect of food, so if you are trying to cut cals, it is better to eat a higher protein diet.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Odds are it's fake, so be careful when you listen to any answer he gives.
It is not. I did water deplete and have a pump for it though.

I have given no advice in this thread, I'm simply questioning why I've been eating high protein for the past 11 years.
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